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1. acomje+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-06-27 14:26:31
Its getting worse everywhere:

some things I've noticed: Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search (Particularly for locations which open in apple maps)

Although I'm mostly linux these days I went to install an alternative browser on a windows machine (using edge to download). I mentioned this in another post, but edge seems to watch for "chrome" or "firefox" downloads and politely reminds you that 'Edge is a great browser with added "trust of microsoft"' (A company who happen to be watching when you download a web browser).

https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/2/22813733/microsoft-window...

Linux seems like an OS that is way more respectful.

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2. kwanbi+g3[view] [source] 2023-06-27 14:38:26
>>acomje+(OP)
I really don't like to use Edge, and I don't like imposed changes, however if you read the article, it says that it can be turned off, or am I missing something?

"Ultimately though, if this experience isn't right for you, you can turn off this feature the first time it launches in Microsoft Edge, and then in Outlook settings at any time after that."

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3. Angost+q4[view] [source] 2023-06-27 14:43:12
>>acomje+(OP)
That’s a configurable suggestion in Safari. Go to Settings > Safari and turn off ‘Safari suggestions’
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4. post-i+15[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:45:02
>>kwanbi+g3
And it'll inevitably turn itself back on after a mandatory upgrade, just like all the other user-hostile things you can turn off.
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5. lozeng+g6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:49:26
>>kwanbi+g3
Sure, let's just all have to turn off a new setting every month.
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6. 13of40+47[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:52:37
>>Angost+q4
A non-dark-pattern for that would be a button on the first suggestion that lets you disable the suggestion permanently.
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7. acomje+J7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:54:56
>>kwanbi+g3
The fact that it does it at all is the issue. Someone wrote code that literally is watching for users trying to download another browser.

You usually download a browser just once, so turning if off isn't the issue. I suspect some of less technically inclined might abide by it and not download the new broswer.

It almost seems like trial run for stopping the download. I can imagine "clippy" popping up an saying "I see your trying to download a browser, I'm sorry, I can't allow that"

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8. TX81Z+8b[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:10:11
>>13of40+47
I think people have started using “dark pattern” to mean any UX decisions they disagree with.

There is a hugely substantive difference between this feature being on by default and say, making a ”reject tracking” button in 2 point grey font. Dark patterns are primarily things that if presented equally would result in a different decision which often go directly against the users self interest.

I don’t see that here.

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9. acomje+nb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:11:00
>>Angost+q4
Thanks, I'll give it a try.

I wish they would label that section of the results (would have given a hint to what it was). The google search results are labeled and appear below those unlabeled suggestions.

It feels a little sneaky to me (like having to go to settings to turn off the a"subscribe to apple music" in the music app..)

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10. lostms+Wb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:13:20
>>TX81Z+8b
The dark pattern is redirecting Google search to Apple maps.
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11. denton+hc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:14:53
>>kwanbi+g3
> or am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing the fact that the user ALREADY set the default browser to something other than Edge, and Outhouse is now going to ignore your declared preference "for your convenience".

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12. TX81Z+Oc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:16:32
>>lostms+Wb
Ok, I can agree there, I thought they meant the search bar suggestions which is maybe annoying but not misleading or controlling.
13. chanks+Hf[view] [source] 2023-06-27 15:28:45
>>acomje+(OP)
Yeah I've complained on here about that as well. I'm not sure what they think they're doing but that made me want to stay as far away from Edge as possible. They really think they're going to win me over by creepily watching my downloads and popping stuff up the whole time I'm in the process of installing it?
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14. buro9+rq[view] [source] 2023-06-27 16:17:57
>>acomje+(OP)
WSL2 in Windows means you can just run a Debian underneath and launch a non-snap Firefox from there and have it appears in Windows.

Now you get the benefit of Windows power management (and that beautiful laptop battery life) but a web browser Microsoft isn't going to mess with.

This sounds hilarious were it not the way I actually work.

PS: I'll also mention that VSCode from Windows to WSL2 + Debian is a mind-blowingly wonderful thing, I don't know how it works but it's near magical as a dev environment when you need a full Linux but like having battery life.

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15. paprua+At[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:30:39
>>buro9+rq
What about playing media? Even when running natively, Firefox has the worst gpu acceleration support in my experience.
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16. deely3+8u[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:32:27
>>TX81Z+8b
Some feature that appears from nowhere, enabled by default, changes you workflow to draw you attention to ecosystem owner. Feature that you have to do a search to disable it.

Not a dark pattern.

But when this happens 6 times in a row..

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17. dizhn+sv[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:37:52
>>post-i+15
Like android playstore notifications. You can turn them off sure. But you'll keep getting the notification that reminds you to turn them on. You only have to say yes once. But it dutifully asks you again and again if you say no to something.

These things have become so yawn to me these days.

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18. nicce+jy[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:47:56
>>paprua+At
When was the last time you used it? GPU acceleration works perfectly for me in Mac or Linux.
19. ballen+Wz[view] [source] 2023-06-27 16:52:55
>>acomje+(OP)
gmail app on iOS refuses to load a link from an email in Safari. It will monthly ask you to confirm if you want to load it in Chrome. If you stick with safari it will load the site in an internal safari webview, requiring a second tap on the bottom to launch in the real safari. Can break some magic link login emails.
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20. OJFord+JB[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:58:11
>>buro9+rq
How are you supposed to discover and use WSL?

I got fed up with trying to run Fusion360 on Linux, no longer had a Mac, and reignited my long disused Windows installation recently. Updated and restarted. Looked around for WSL, nothing. Searched online, loads of blog spam of mixed helpfulness, no way of telling (for me, new to it) if they were v1 or v2, no basic information like they're talking about Ubuntu but is that a requirement? What changes if I want x? Looked in the app store, ..stuff yes, including 'Arch WSL' for example, but is this right? It seems to work, but really, I'm supposed to install something third-party?

I assumed it was just something that was there built-in by default, but apparently not? Probably is if I first go start run regedit and set Computer Computer Windows HKLM Software Windows Windows Linux Software WSL enable to '2', right? Easy.

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21. noSync+dC[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:00:07
>>OJFord+JB
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install
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22. 0xffff+CE[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:11:09
>>buro9+rq
What is the benefit of doing this over simply installing Firefox on Windows? After you download the Firefox installer, you're done with Windows "messing" with you.
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23. SpaceM+1F[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:12:53
>>ballen+Wz
> gmail app on iOS refuses to load a link from an email in Safari

> If you stick with safari it will load the site in an internal safari webview, requiring a second tap on the bottom to launch in the real safari

???

Many applications do this, including those from Apple itself. I don't see the refusal here.

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24. II2II+tF[view] [source] 2023-06-27 17:14:20
>>acomje+(OP)
I don't think it is Linux per se that is better as open source software. It seems to support a much more competitive market, which is something that busines seem to shun in their never ending lust for growth. And there are good checks and balances for open source. Just consider what happens when a project becomes too arrogant: if a new independent project isn't spawned, one based upon their existing code base will.
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25. tut-ur+vG[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:17:56
>>0xffff+CE
The Windows Firefox will be removed by an enterprise security suite forced upon you from your IT security. Or bogged down by antivirus. Luckily for us, 99,99% of those corporate security and IT drones have no idea what you can do with wsl.
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26. gtirlo+zG[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:18:28
>>II2II+tF
If Red Hat or Canonical were in the business of making their own web browsers, I have no doubt we would see similar behavior in RHEL or Ubuntu LTS.
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27. ljm+qJ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:32:52
>>dizhn+sv
As has been the case for the past 10 years or so, UX consistently plays second-fiddle to analytics.
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28. Animat+JJ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:34:30
>>gtirlo+zG
Canonical already did that, when they dropped Flatpak support to force people to go through their "Snap Store".
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29. trelan+cK[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:36:53
>>buro9+rq
Or you could run Linux on Linux hardware and get the full hardware support and sweet battery life without the Microsoft spyware.
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30. Sebast+KK[view] [source] 2023-06-27 17:39:51
>>acomje+(OP)
Apple are experts are experts at creating these patterns that fall just at the edge of being classified as anti-consumer, to the point where you frequently find heated discussions about whether they are.

Battery throtteling on the iPhone 6s; The sandboxing / sideloading discussion; The no-iCloud experience; The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better; How unauthorized Apps on MacOS must be opened with a right-click.

Safari suggestions are also a great example: So far, I like them in iOS 17, since they can also provide direct links to useful sites such as Wikipedia. But don't doubt for a second, that taking traffic away from Google was the primary goal here.

Microsoft isn't so smart. Most users, including non-technical, can see through their attempts.

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31. Our_Be+QK[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:40:07
>>OJFord+JB
Open a terminal and type “wsl”, it will tell you what to do from there. It’s also easily available in the MS App Store without an account.
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32. buro9+wL[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:43:27
>>0xffff+CE
I leave few things on Windows as Microsoft have opinions, and then OSQuery gives IT admins opinions.

I prefer as few outside opinions on what I run as possible, so I only leave Chrome and VSCode in Windows and everything else is in Linux.

I had run Linux for years, but whilst I still have Linux on desktop machines I leave Windows on my laptop as it truly gives me 8-9h battery life and Linux only gives me a matter of a few hours tops.

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33. mouzog+LL[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:45:11
>>Sebast+KK
also denying full access to pencil api so that 3rd party pencils cannot compete with the official ones.

and lack of user profiles on ipads so they cannot be easily shared among family.

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34. V1ndaa+SM[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:51:39
>>buro9+rq
> Windows power management (and that beautiful laptop battery life)

Is that sarcasm? I never had good battery life on a laptop running Windows. Linux has always been superior to me in that regard (maybe if nvidia optimus is at play?).

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35. 0xffff+UM[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:51:43
>>tut-ur+vG
Wow, and I thought my agency IT was hostile...
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36. dekhn+8N[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:53:08
>>OJFord+JB
Literally the first page Google shows for [ install wsl on windows ] is the canonical documentation which is trivial to follow.

Don't touch the registry.

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37. dmitry+aN[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:53:11
>>trelan+cK
> sweet battery life

Linux has never been this, and likely never will be. On any hardware supported fully by both, Windows will always have better battery life. Back when I was a thinkpad user, i'd literally live in a vmware workstation linux VM on windows, and THIS had better battery life than linux natively on the same thinkpad.

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38. xen2xe+pN[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:54:23
>>OJFord+JB
Everything is easier on Windows 11. If you have 10 it's all harder and less built in, and some features don't work at all
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39. wholin+VN[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:56:19
>>tut-ur+vG
What security person in their right mind would remove firefox as a security threat? In my opinion you can make firefox drastically more secure with adblock and tracking blocker addons and better default settings. You'd have to be totally unconcerned with actual security to force everyone into edge. Or maybe there are some draconian incentives at big-corp's that I haven't seen yet.
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40. codetr+2O[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:56:54
>>Sebast+KK
Google seems just as bad tbh. The only browser I have installed on my phone is Safari but when I click links in YouTube it always asks which browser I want to open the link in. Safari or Chrome.

No I don’t want to install your shit browser on my phone Google. Kindly frick off.

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41. flagra+5O[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:57:15
>>Sebast+KK
Many of the Apple-related concerns fall squarely within the definitions of anti-trust laws. The problem isn't that Apple toes the line so much as no one cares to enforce the line.
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42. madars+CO[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:59:49
>>Sebast+KK
Don't forget making SMS in unreadable neon green (to the point that it violates Apple's own accessibility guidelines https://archive.is/4nSWV)

"iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove [an] obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones" -- an actual quote from the SVP of Software Engineering in charge of iOS, revealed in Epic Games v Apple court discovery

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.36...

Of course, if you really cared about green bubbles, you'd switch to Android because there you can adjust outgoing message color to your heart's liking :-)

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43. simion+XP[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:06:21
>>Animat+JJ
>Canonical already did that, when they dropped Flatpak support to force people to go through their "Snap Store".

You mean not installing it by default? This does make sense for me personally I never had good experience with flatpacks or snapped desktop apps. Snap CLI tools worked great for me on server.

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44. wholin+RQ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:10:02
>>chanks+Hf
No, they know you hate it. They know we all hate it. But there's enough retired dads and old grandma's out there to more than make up for us. People like us have been saying things like this for decades, if they still don't understand how we feel then it's willful ignorance. They know we hate it and they don't care because it makes them money and that's the only thing that matters in the world anymore. I'm all for businesses businessing, but god damn I guess all the low hanging fruit got picked and now they have to keep stepping on ever increasing numbers of faces to get ever higher for their shareholders and portfolios.
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45. lttlrc+MR[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:15:24
>>madars+CO
SMS messages have always been green on iOS. Since before iMessage existed. I don't recall ever having trouble reading them.
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46. madars+ES[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:19:49
>>lttlrc+MR
They deliberately reduced the contrast. Compare iOS 5 when iMessage came out: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/archive/09-27... and now: https://images.macworld.co.uk/cmsdata/features/3468389/how_t... This underscores GP's point: Apple is expert at making anti-consumer decisions that fall just inside the Overton window.
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47. bombel+IT[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:24:16
>>dmitry+aN
I came to assume the battery only exists to act as an uninterruptible power supply as I travel to the next power outlet ;)

It feels like over the past 10y Linux only went from 2h to 3h of battery life. While MacBook went from 3h to 13h.

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48. pleb_n+TT[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:24:46
>>dmitry+aN
I had a Lenovo p15 running fedora for a while and got 6 to 8 hours battery life whilst working which was approx. the same as the original OEM windows install. So it might be a case by case situation.
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49. vladva+7U[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:25:43
>>Sebast+KK
> The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better

What do you mean by this? I have an iPhone but don't have airpods, just "regular" BT headphones. Under windows, they're hit or miss (sometimes they don't reconnect), but they work pretty well under iOS and mac os. They work best under linux (!), especially since it's the only one to support LDAC (though I understand some non-sony android phones may support this now).

So, if somehow apple came out with a way of making BT headphones work even better (what do they do better?), I don't see why you'd hold that against them. Should they not innovate just so that the competition doesn't get upset?

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50. Eduard+iU[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:26:53
>>codetr+2O
> Google seems just as bad tbh.

It is a difference for Google to advertise their browser on their properties (eg Youtube) versus Apple hijacking the search bar of some other browser, and in general not allowing third parties to provide full browsers in the Apple App Store (and not just a shim which mandatorily has to use Safari behind the curtains)

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51. vladva+9V[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:31:08
>>dmitry+aN
I don't know what you mean by "supported", but the HP EliteBook 845 G8 (amd 5650u) I'm typing this on has noticeably better battery life under Linux than Windows. Ditto for its cousin with an 11th gen i7. They get around 5-6 hours on Linux, and around 4 on Windows. Windows also likes to spin those fans while sitting around doing nothing.

Oh, HP recommends Windows 11 (tm) (r) (c). Both worked 100% from day 1 on Linux. But both laptops had issues during the first year under windows (no webcam on the amd, boken external screen output on the intel), so maybe they don't qualify as "supported by both".

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52. Spivak+kV[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:32:04
>>lostms+Wb
How do I get this to happen? I turned them all on typed in an address, hit return, hit the button on Google and it opened in Google Maps. I'm on the latest version of iOS.
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53. vladva+WV[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:35:00
>>wholin+VN
They wouldn't remove it "as a security threat" as such. They'd remove it because it's not part of the vetted applications list.
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54. mholm+qW[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:37:00
>>vladva+7U
In terms of unique OS-level integrations: Airpods are not paired with a device: they're paired with your Apple ID. If I pair the airpods with my iPad, I can seamlessly switch them to iphone, to Mac, to my Apple TV. They'll even auto-switch if it detects you've stopped using your current device.

Airpods automatically try to pair with a nearby iphone when opened, if one of your own devices isn't around. All of this is through a pretty fancy UI, just for Airpods and Beats

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55. plonk+UW[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:38:39
>>V1ndaa+SM
> maybe if nvidia optimus is at play?

In this case Windows is the only sane choice (at least based on my experience from 2 years ago).

After a lot of reading random docs, I got to a point where I could stop the GPU from eating the battery doing nothing, but I could only disable/enable it by logging out then in. It was either no GPU at all or a GPU drawing maximum power, no in-between.

Maybe Nvidia's latest code releases will help with that?

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56. _rs+qX[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:41:03
>>lttlrc+MR
Not to mention it's only the messages you send that are with a green background, messages you receive from either platform have a grey background
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57. Sebast+LX[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:42:25
>>vladva+7U
To connect regular bt headphones, you must go to Control Center > Hold on Bluetooth > Hold Bluetooth again > Select the headphones > wait > tap once to exit > tap twice to exit > swipe up from the bottom.

AirPods are always accesible via the AirPlay-menu, which is prominently featured in many media apps.

Again: still fine, but just bad enough to partly influence my next buying decision.

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58. vladva+fY[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:45:07
>>mholm+qW
But is there a way of making this work with regular bluetooth headphones? AFAIK whey you pair them, the HP will remember the device's physical address, so the random apple devices you may have would have to present the same address to the headphones. Hell, this doesn't work on its own, even between a Linux and Windows install on the same PC. You have to manually move some connection information between the two to get e.g. a mouse working in both.

So if Apple figured a way of bypassing this limitation, it's really not clear to me why that should be considered "bad", even if it's clearly better than what the competition does. It's on the bluetooth standard to do better.

Or is your point that apple should have standardized the protocol they use to make this happen?

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59. onesht+IY[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:46:31
>>dmitry+aN
> Linux has never been this, and likely never will be.

Chromebook and Android works very well. They use Linux kernel.

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60. sunnyb+MY[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:46:47
>>ballen+Wz
This is encouraged and is a step in the right direction of discouraging app developers from implementing their own web views which can intercept the traffic.
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61. captn3+XY[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:47:14
>>bombel+IT
You’re comparing an OS with a specific device. In the union case (Asahi Linux on MacBook), the battery life is much higher than 3h. Not yet 13, but soon should be close.
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62. vladva+1Z[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:47:25
>>Sebast+LX
But that's how bt heaphones work everywhere, right? I have to go and manually pair them.

But once they're paired, they connect automatically to my iphone, and I can select them easily from a list when e.g making a phone call, though they're usually selected automatically when connected.

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63. prince+b01[view] [source] 2023-06-27 18:54:00
>>acomje+(OP)
After "Your potential, our passion", Microsoft's new tagline is: "Your privacy, our business".
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64. NGRhod+j01[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:54:51
>>plonk+UW
I've only had an Nvidia GPU laptop for 2 years so no experience of using older series of drivers, but Nvidia's 5xx series of drivers work great on my T460s running the latest Mint, drivers installed using the Ubuntu driver tool. Secure boot works out of the box, prime render offload works without a hitch (and no need to log in/out to switch GPUs), battery life is ballpark similar to Windows.
replies(1): >>plonk+Mb1
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65. mholm+t01[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:55:35
>>vladva+fY
I don't have any particular problem with this feature existing, it helps me as an apple user. Though I can imagine a standardized protocol would be what the OP of this thread wanted.
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66. dmitry+011[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:58:34
>>onesht+IY
Neither uses the GNU userspace, which is what people mean by "linux"
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67. acomje+e11[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:59:34
>>vladva+1Z
I have this issue sometimes. If switching doesn’t work automatically when my Bluetooth speaker is turned on it’s not an quick option to select them.

Apple has a “select audio out” menu thats on a lot of music and video apps. It shows “Apple airplay enabled” devices and makes switching easy. If it’s just Bluetooth it’s harder (you have to go into setting…)

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68. js2+u11[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:01:13
>>madars+ES
What am I missing here? In iOS 5, it's black on blue vs black on green. Now it's white on blue vs white on green. Contrast between text and background looks the same to whether green or blue.

In general, Apple has lowered contrast throughout the UI over the years. There's an accessibility setting for high contrast if you need it.

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69. basch+U21[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:08:12
>>Sebast+KK
Battery throttling doesn’t fit the rest of these. Preventing a device reboot is pro consumer.
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70. WarOnP+931[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:09:36
>>dmitry+aN
It should be noted that Lenovo's power management software (pre Win10) played a big part in users' happy battery experiences.
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71. 015a+a31[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:09:37
>>basch+U21
Ah, found that "heated discussion" the OP mentioned.
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72. within+p31[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:10:54
>>SpaceM+1F
It's so annoying to get a Github link to a private repo (aka, review comments) only to open into an internal webview that isn't authenticated.
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73. dabina+v31[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:11:25
>>Sebast+LX
I don’t think this is a case of Apple crippling non-Apple headphones but more a case of Bluetooth being pretty limited.

Either way, the user experience is still better than on Windows. Whenever I start up my PC it steals my headphones, even if I’m currently listening on another device (or worse, making a phone call). I’ve searched online and it seems there is no way to switch this off. The only solution seems to be to manually unpair or disable Bluetooth after using it.

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74. acomje+G31[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:12:52
>>Spivak+kV
It's the "safari suggestion" feature. As you type it does a sort of auto complete. For me it was a restuarant name, that "safari suggested" and put at the top of the browser window above the google results. I think the trick is happens before the return is clicked. I was on the go and trying to work fast. I turned it off as a user suggested.
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75. philis+541[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:14:50
>>vladva+fY
Very often when Apple decides to go in its own direction, you can criticize them for not improving standard ways of doing things instead. File transfers, contact sharing, etc.

But with Bluetooth I believe Apple is right to forge its own path. The standard is convoluted, built on old methods, still cannot pair two buds in a sane manner, and can’t provide enough bandwidth for Apple’s uncompressed format.

I expect Airpods to leave Bluetooth behind sooner rather than later.

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76. Profes+941[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:15:46
>>madars+ES
It's worth pointing out that Apple has some of the best accessibility options out there. There's an "Increase Contrast" setting that increases the contrast for SMS messages.

Yes, one could argue that the default should provide high contrast for everyone, but once this setting is enabled, it effectively becomes just that going forward for those that need it.

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77. within+e41[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:16:34
>>acomje+J7
The code itself likely comes from Google, not Microsoft. You can open Chrome and go download Edge/FF, IIRC, it only shows if chrome is the default browser. At least it used to a couple of years ago.

Gmail still nags me about not using Chrome.

I don't see the issue here.

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78. MSFT_E+X41[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:20:42
>>buro9+rq
I really don't get this battery life complaint.

What kind of system are you running?

On my thinkpad, arch install squeezes 9 hours after 7 years of use.

On a dell XPS I'd get about 13 hours with the gpu disabled and display set to 1440p instead of 4k. Sure you might say "but I need my GPU and 4k 15'' display" to which I reply eh maybe but I don't.

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79. monsie+D51[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:24:48
>>bombel+IT
This is what i experienced as well. 3h on light battery use. After having read every how-tos and used tlp, auto-cpufreq, powertop, ...

I hate to say it, but, for me, it is the price to pay to not have to deal with Windows anymore. I'm on Ubuntu right now, but have tried with other distros in the past. YMMV.

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80. mistri+G51[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:25:07
>>wholin+RQ
no, no, no.. it is not "retired dads" strawmen.. control of the installation process is a feature for management and security. It is not "nice" to say it in public apparently.. you the computer operator are not in control of the machine you are using. Your employer and their security people are in control of the machine that YOU are using.
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81. Sebast+061[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:27:15
>>vladva+1Z
No, this is for connecting headphones that are already paired but disconnected. For my Sonys I had to do this every time I activated them, because I use them with multiple devices, and its not guaranteed that they connect to the right one.

Some headphones support connecting two devices simultaneously, which is great... unless you have 3 devices :)

Anyways, if I was Apple, I would have added paired headphones to the speaker menu.

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82. troupo+961[view] [source] 2023-06-27 19:27:45
>>acomje+(OP)
> Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search (Particularly for locations which open in apple maps

Anecdata, I know, but I've never experienced this across any iOS versions.

Though given how shitty Apple's own software has become, I wouldn't be surprised if it's an integration gone awry.

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83. ohgodp+j61[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:28:28
>>vladva+1Z
Nope. Google's Pixel Buds have first party integration with a custom UI to connect them as soon as they're out of the box. So are Samsung's Galaxy Buds, and both of these use regular Bluetooth.
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84. AprilA+o71[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:35:25
>>js2+u11
Green has higher luminance than blue at equivalent saturation. The values for SMS and iMessage background colors are, respectively and in sRGB, #00CC46 and #0080FF, corresponding to relative luminance values of 0.436 and 0.227 according to the WCAG 2 formula.

With white foreground text, this gives a contrast ratio of 2.15:1 for SMS and 3.79:1 for iMessage. WCAG 2.x AA level compliances requires a contrast ratio of at least 4.5:1 for normal text and at least 3:1 for large text.

https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/contrast-minimum...

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85. cosmot+a81[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:40:06
>>js2+u11
Contrast ratio for white on green is only 2.15:1 : https://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/?fcolor=FFFFFF&...

Whereas for black on green it's 9.72:1 : https://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/?fcolor=000000&...

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86. madars+h81[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:40:48
>>AprilA+o71
Thanks! If you have a calculations workflow already, what would the contrast ratios (even if approximate) be for old iOS? To a human eye it truly looks like SMS got way worse whereas iMessage stayed around the same.
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87. oynqr+w81[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:42:10
>>dmitry+011
So where does that leave Alpine?
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88. 13of40+b91[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:45:09
>>TX81Z+8b
Turning something on by default and then making the user drill down three menu layers to turn it off is equivalent to that scam where you're walking through Rome and someone hands you a flower, then demands five euros for it. If you're involved in writing software like that, then congratulations, you're a con artist.
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89. trinsi+K91[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:47:37
>>lttlrc+MR
I also Have no trouble reading text messages from Android in IOS. not sure what people are talking about. I still think its wrong to distinguish between the two platforms as it points to anti-competitive behavior. Apple does other things that are way worse.
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90. bombel+S91[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:49:33
>>captn3+XY
Let's hope it will be close. MacBook has twice the battery capacity as a run of the mill thinkpad. So 6h of battery would be the default I expect. More than that, and I will be impressed.

Note that I have been using Linux for 20y. And I fully accept the short battery life in exchange of the tooling and freedom I get with Linux.

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91. autoex+X91[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:50:02
>>chanks+Hf
never mind putting people off edge, they risk getting sick of outlook! If my company had a product that was deeply embedded and collecting massive amounts of detailed information about the inner workings of so many companies across so many industries the last thing I'd do is risk scaring them off my product by making it more annoying. The insights MS must gain from the data they pull out of outlook (and office in general) is worth a hell of a lot more than an increase in edge users.
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92. flagra+ha1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:50:58
>>basch+U21
Shipping a device that will overheat and reboot when the device is a couple years old and fixing it by silently throttling the device isn't pro consumer either

Those devices really should have been recalled or offered a generous trade-in value to account for the fundamental design flaw

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93. sorami+ya1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:52:05
>>Eduard+iU
> versus Apple hijacking the search bar of some other browser

A difference that's moot because it never happened.

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94. twobit+Ia1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:52:59
>>madars+CO
The color thing is an urban legend. Original iPhone chat bubbles were green pre-Apple having an alternative to SMS. The messages icon is green. For some reason Apple thought messages should be green.
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95. oefnak+Qa1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:53:46
>>MSFT_E+X41
Incredible. Can you post your configuration? On my XPS15 that's about 4 or 5 years old, I can get max 2.5 hours with the GPU disabled and 1920×1080 resolution.
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96. sorami+Wa1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:54:12
>>flagra+ha1
So that's every device with rechargeable batteries then.
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97. OJFord+Fb1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:57:13
>>xen2xe+pN
It is 10 yes. I glossed over a few steps as 'updated and restarted' - I actually spent an entire day trying to enable secure boot and (as required in order to) upgrade to 11 and then recovering from fearing I'd bricked it. (GPU doesn't support it, I now think (beforehand had no idea that even might be an issue). Motherboard then wouldn't revert to integrated graphics even with the card removed.)

I really can't fathom how any technically-minded professional gets anything done with Windows - nevermind SEs - it just feels constantly in the way. And I'm not a die-hard Linux (nor Apple) fanatic, I grew up with Windows, it got me into 'computers'. It just seems like an uncontrollable (as in literally, operator not in control) mess compared even to macOS to me now.

(I also really wanted to like it coming back to it - I thought with WSL surely that was going to take the Unixy strength of macOS and far supersede it as a when-I-can't-use-Linux device. But so far, egh, nevermind that I think the hardware's great, I think I'd pay the Apple tax just for the OS.)

Maybe I'll try again to upgrade if the integrated graphics support it.

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98. mywitt+Ib1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:57:19
>>Profes+941
Apple products seem to require more and more tweaking of the right settings to be usable. I'm dreading the day I have to get a replacement MacBook and have to tweak all my settings again.
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99. plonk+Mb1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:57:42
>>NGRhod+j01
My experience was on a Dell XPS 15 from ~2018, up to Ubuntu 20.04. Maybe they got better just when I switched to macOS. :)
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100. Tagber+he1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 20:10:30
>>codetr+2O
And the Gmail app on iOS and iPad will never open in default browser window. It always opens in a capture browser window that defaults to chrome.
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101. remix2+He1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 20:12:43
>>oynqr+w81
s/GNU/Freedesktop/
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102. Animat+hf1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 20:16:16
>>simion+XP
Then your install instructions start with "first install Flatpak". This is unacceptable for an end user program.

If you use the "Snap Store", you're imprisoned in a walled garden and subject to arbitrary decisions by Canonical, Inc.[1] They also take a cut if you charge for an app.

[1] https://ubuntu.com/legal/developer-terms-and-conditions

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103. double+Pf1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 20:20:58
>>vladva+9V
Support is a funny term anymore. Who is supporting it?

I have a pair of ASUS VivoBooks that BSOD on Windows every third or so boot with the NVMe they shipped with. That is the supported, manufacturer shipped OS.

On any Linux distro I've installed they run without issues. They also pass any diagnostic I have tried.

Battery life wise, some laptops I have get better battery life on a Windows install, and some get better battery life on a Linux install. Very hit and miss here.

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104. AprilA+Xf1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 20:21:38
>>madars+h81
The pre-iOS 7 graphics have black text over a non-uniform background color as compared to white text over a uniform background color. This gives us ranges instead of a single value, but even in the worst case, black is a vastly more legible foreground color:

           | iOS 5-6     | iOS 7+ |
  ---------+-------------+--------+
  SMS      | 11.3 - 13.4 | 2.2    |
  iMessage | 11.8 - 14.1 | 3.8    |
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105. scarfa+Sg1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 20:26:24
>>Eduard+iU
And Google also hijacks its own search bar when all I want is “10 blue links”.
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106. scarfa+9h1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 20:27:54
>>flagra+ha1
Have you found a new battery technology where that is mid the case?
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107. n_sd+6j1[view] [source] 2023-06-27 20:39:06
>>acomje+(OP)
Just a side note. You might be meaning GNU/Linux instead of Linux.
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108. lucb1e+Bj1[view] [source] 2023-06-27 20:42:16
>>acomje+(OP)
> 'with added "trust of microsoft"'

To be fair, you trust Microsoft to be your OS. Installing another browser means that there are now two parties that could be malicious or hacked (distribute a compromised update) rather than one.

FWIW, I run Firefox on Debian Linux and an open source browser on Android as well (so no Safari hijacking going on either), but I can see valid logic in their statement ...even if they might not themselves have considered whether this is true before using it as marketing

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109. BudaDu+Dj1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 20:42:29
>>twobit+Ia1
It's not that its green thats the issue, is the shade of green they chose. It does not contrast well with white text and makes it hard to read.
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110. flagra+Wl1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 20:55:19
>>scarfa+9h1
Device design is always constrained by the current technology. It isn't impossible to make a phone with current battery tech that doesn't overheat after a year or two of normal use

Apple just pushed design to far and underestimated the cooling/heat dissipation required

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111. darkhe+oo1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:06:09
>>015a+a31
Heh. I can't blame them for doing this, but not telling people what's happening (and why) was the big mistake.

People generally want their gadgets to be as lightweight as possible, cheap as possible, last as long as possible, and be reliable. There's tradeoffs in balancing those. eg: overbuilding the battery to make the device run longer in the face of degradation adds weight, size, and cost. Somebody has to make a call on where the balance should be.

What nobody really talks about in the context of device longevity is wear levels in the onboard flash. A battery replacement or three doesn't extend that clock. It's pretty good but it doesn't last forever. This is more of an issue on devices with smaller amounts of flash storage with a lot more storage churn.

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112. thebru+Yo1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:08:38
>>flagra+ha1
It has nothing to do with overheating. It is battery ageing. The internal resistance of a battery increases as it ages, leading to brownouts when peak current happens.

The throttling feature still exists in iOS. All that’s changed is that you will be made aware that it’s happening and you can switch it off if you prefer a brownout when your battery is degraded.

Other manufacturers are happy to let your handset reboot, it could lead to another sale for them. Some would call that planned obsolescence.

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113. jahews+Op1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:12:03
>>lostms+Wb
Maybe you don’t remember when Google started inserting its own maps at the top of location searches in place of the top-result: MapQuest. Probably a good 15 years ago.
replies(1): >>FireBe+UF1
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114. polite+Rp1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:12:35
>>Sebast+KK
> Apple are experts are experts at creating these patterns that fall just at the edge of being classified as anti-consumer, to the point where you frequently find heated discussions about whether they are.

I argue that they are blatantly anti-consumer, but have created a brand identity association that causes people to pretend (and argue) they are not. Try using an ipad without handing over your credit card details. Even google is better in this area.

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115. derefr+dq1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:14:57
>>Sebast+061
The W2 chip or whatever it’s called, inside the AirPods, allows it to detect the closest “known” (not “paired”) device when it’s removed from its case, and if it’s not the one that it was connected to when it last went to sleep, then the headphones will avoid automatically connecting to the device they were previously connected to on last use, instead going into an implicit “trusted pairing” mode that allows the first known device to express an audio intent to become the BT auto-pair + auto-connect device.

You can’t do this with a regular Bluetooth audio device that doesn’t have the W2 chip, because according to the Bluetooth spec, you can only be paired to one device at a time; there is no separate concept of “known” devices; devices that auto-connect stay auto-connected on sleep+wake; and devices that connect (therefore devices that auto-connect) must stop announcing themselves as available over BT discovery. (BT is essentially a protocol state machine — a device can be either idle, in pairing mode, searching for its paired device to auto-reconnect, or connected, and none of these states can overlap.)

These are all limitations of the audio device, not of the host OS. Limitations required for Bluetooth conformance! Apple can only work around these limitations by having the device and host both run a completely separate, second discovery protocol over completely separate hardware, that just forces the BT hardware into certain states as a result of its own negotiation. They can’t magically make audio devices that don’t have a W2 chip do this out-of-BT-band negotiation.

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116. kervan+hq1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:15:10
>>n_sd+6j1
GNU/systemd/Liux/x86/electricity, to be specific.
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117. justso+Ar1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:23:11
>>thebru+Yo1
> It has nothing to do with overheating. It is battery ageing. The internal resistance of a battery increases as it ages, leading to brownouts when peak current happens

yawn Why my 8 years old Moto XT910 eat the battery like cookies but did not reboot? It's battery wasnot only old, but swollen a bit, it's USB port was damaged so sometimes the charge didn't actually happened... but it still could survive a couple of hours with enabled radio and GPS, serving a navigation app with 3G updates? And didn't reboot?

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118. kernal+Zr1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:25:25
>>codetr+2O
I don't want Apple's shitty AppStore on my iPhone. I'd like to replace it, but I can't because Apple doesn't think I should be able to install apps that aren't approved by Apple. They can go fuck off as well.
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119. trelan+zs1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:28:34
>>dmitry+aN
> On any hardware supported fully by both

This hardware does not exist, or at least it's exceedingly rare. something most folks miss is that the OS supports the hardware (though for Windows it's more the drivers than the OS, but I digress), but equally (and perhaps moreso) the hardware supports the OS.

Modern hardware is full of code (almost always proprietary), in ACPI, in EFI, in the EC, in all the devices. You cannot (without significant engineering effort) make the hardware support both OSes equally.

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120. thebru+Du1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:40:33
>>justso+Ar1
I’m not sure what answer you’re looking for here - each system is different. Design, manufacturing, usage patterns will all play a part.

When batterygate happened my wife’s phone was throttled but mine wasn’t. She didn’t care and never got the battery replaced but she definitely would have upgraded sooner if it was rebooting.

Are you saying that Apple use different battery technology to everyone else? Or what is your point?

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121. rootus+Hu1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:40:50
>>BudaDu+Dj1
But the argument does become a lot weaker unless they changed the shade of green after introducing iMessage. If it stayed the same, then it's just the design they chose from the beginning.

Also worth noting is that the color only applies to sent messages. When you receive a message, it's just gray in either case. It makes a certain amount of sense to let the user know which transport their outbound message went on since it will affect your expectations.

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122. skygaz+Tu1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:42:12
>>madars+CO
For those not familiar, on an iPhone the green background only occurs on the messages the iPhone user has previously sent, and not those they have received from others. Also, whilst they’re typing, they do not have a green background in the text box. However, that said, to my eyes, the green background does indeed make it slightly harder to read what you’ve previously sent compared to the blue backgrounds of iMessage, or the black on light gray of received messages. But it’s slightly less of a problem to me because I generally remember what I’ve typed well enough to give my eyes an advantage.
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123. heleni+0v1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:42:43
>>MSFT_E+X41
My ThinkPad running linux gets absolutely fantastic battery life with the exception that when I close it and put it in my backpack, I have about a 25% chance of discovering later that, while closed, it turned the screen on and and ran the fans at full speed to kill the battery because it was, I don't know... bored of being in a bag?
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124. thebru+8v1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:43:21
>>flagra+Wl1
You keep mentioning cooling / heat - this is the first I’ve ever heard of this in relation to batterygate, and in fact the first I’ve ever heard of any battery “overheating” (generating more heat?) as a result of a normal ageing process - where are you getting this from?
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125. rootus+rv1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:45:04
>>Sebast+KK
> Battery throtteling on the iPhone 6s

This is one of the ways I can tell what preconceived opinion someone has. The only problem with the battery throttling was PR. The engineering solution was correct and objectively better than not throttling. Should they have told users their battery was failing? Sure. But keeping the phone from crashing was better than letting it.

> unauthorized Apps on MacOS must be opened with a right-click

I've never had to do that.

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126. rootus+Tv1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:47:47
>>Sebast+LX
BT headphones are certainly less reliable at auto-switching, but that process you're going through isn't the norm for me. I just click on the output menu and select my Sony WH-1000XM4 headphones if I want to use them instead of my airpods. I don't have to pair them every time.
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127. rootus+ow1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:51:24
>>015a+a31
One nice thing HN has taught me is that I should be wary of anti-Apple claims like this. Inevitably someone comes along to add context or explain what's actually going on, and 9 times out of 10 it turns out that Apple's solution wasn't unreasonable at all.

Which isn't to say that things like the 30% app store cut is entirely defensible, though you can certainly make some halfway plausible claims in that direction (based mostly on how retail works, especially at the time iPhones were invented). Or sideloading. There are legitimate gripes. But a lot of crap spewed regularly on HN turns out to be exactly that, crap.

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128. js2+Bw1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:52:28
>>AprilA+o71
Thank you. FWIW, here is it under iOS 16 with Accessibility > Display & Text Size > Increase Contrast turned on.

https://imgur.com/a/b61lmAf

To my eyes, the green/blue doesn't make much difference in terms of legibility. I obviously find the reduced contrast throughout iOS annoying and keep increase contrast turned on.

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129. flagra+Ow1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:53:17
>>sorami+Wa1
Not really, most devices are designed with a commination of passive and active cooling as needed to operate under normal conditions.

Apple just has a history of prioritizing design asthenic and they're willing to push the limits on thermal regulation.

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130. scarfa+kx1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:57:08
>>flagra+Wl1
The phone didn’t overheat. That’s just the point. The options were either the phone slows down to keep the phone from shutting off when the battery got weak or the phone shuts off. What was the other alternative?
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131. rootus+vx1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:57:46
>>justso+Ar1
> Why my 8 years old Moto XT910 eat the battery like cookies but did not reboot

Probably because it's a simple, slow dual core Cortex A9 with low enough power draw that it doesn't stress the battery enough to matter.

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132. ryukaf+uy1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:02:30
>>rootus+Hu1
They did change the shade of green, and the newer one is much less readable. See for yourself:

Original: https://ronstauffer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/taking-a-pic...

Current: https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare...

replies(1): >>rootus+Bz1
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133. goosed+Iy1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:04:18
>>rootus+Hu1
They kinda did just not immediately. iMessage was introduced in iOS 5 pre-redesign. It used to be black text on a lighter green. With iOS 7 they moved to white text on searing green.
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134. jackso+Ty1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:05:38
>>madars+CO
a much stronger argument than color imo is apple’s refusal to implement RCS, which would make the experience of communicating with android users.

generally I try to avoid SMS since the photo quality is bad, there’s no delivery guarantee, and it doesn’t work over wifi.

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135. rootus+Bz1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:09:30
>>ryukaf+uy1
It may just be that I happen to have my reading glasses on right now, but both of those are easy to read.

But let's run with that for a moment, and assume many people do in fact find that more difficult to read. I still have trouble calling that particularly hostile given that it's sent messages, received ones are the same color no matter what.

I'm more open to the green vs blue argument than the old-green vs new-green one. Apple definitely wants you to know you're using iMessage. It just happens to be useful for me as a customer, too -- I'm glad it's prominent when I send a text message instead of an iMessage. It aligns my expectations for what features will work in the conversation.

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136. ars+Nz1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:11:06
>>Sebast+KK
Apple stuff is always anti-consumer, it's not an edge thing at all.

In the terminal it has a nice "search with Google" option and I can not figure out how to get MacOS to stop opening Safari with that.

Every time I use Apple products I get frustrated at how it blocks me from doing what I want to do.

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137. rootus+Sz1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:11:24
>>goosed+Iy1
From my memories of that UI design shift, nobody cared much about text messages in particular, because we generally hated all of the flattened, vivid color and white text graphics. But it's been a while, maybe I'm misremembering how annoyed people were. That was when we lost skeuomorphic design, as I recall, which some people were/are very attracted to.
138. wodeno+MC1[view] [source] 2023-06-27 22:27:18
>>acomje+(OP)
> Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search

Unless you are referring to the search field on google.com, it is not hijacking’s your google searches. It is suggesting actions based on your input to the url bar.

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139. Aerbil+jD1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:30:37
>>OJFord+JB
I’ve found running a VM easier than WINE, FYI. LookingGlass?
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140. throwa+FD1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:32:43
>>mouzog+LL
What parts of the API? I've never used a first party one, but the generic $10 one I got on aliexpress worked fine on an ipad6.
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141. FireBe+qE1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:37:03
>>rootus+rv1
> I've never had to do that.

Using OKD (OpenShift Kubernetes Distribution) because I just dealt with this morning:

https://github.com/okd-project/okd/releases - download the MacOS installer and unzip it.

Then try to run it from the command line. Be told that it "cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified". This is NOT the "is an app downloaded from the Internet, do you wish to run it?" dialog.

Go to Finder, and double click it. Get the same message.

You have to go to Finder, then right click the app, specifically hit Open (which will open a terminal that will immediately exit), and only now can you run this app in your original terminal.

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142. lhamil+ME1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:39:05
>>rootus+Hu1
They actually did change it. It used to be much more readable. There's a comparison screenshot in this article https://css-tricks.com/apple-messages-color-contrast/
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143. FireBe+FF1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:44:42
>>OJFord+Fb1
You blame Windows for all these issues around Secure Boot, then you need to be equally annoyed at Apple for how "not easy" it is to run Linux on a Mac with a T2 security chip and disabling System Integrity Protection...
replies(1): >>OJFord+8M1
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144. FireBe+UF1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:46:05
>>jahews+Op1
How is this even remotely relevant? Company 1 does self-centered things, so Company 2 cannot receive criticism for doing self-centered things?
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145. babypu+lH1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:55:14
>>basch+U21
Agreed, the problem was how poorly this was communicated to the user.

I'd much rather have a slow phone than a phone that doesn't work at all (or worse, bursts into flames in my pocket)

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146. sterli+mH1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:55:17
>>rootus+Bz1
I caution against relying on your own senses when designing for accessibility. I can tell the red and green buttons apart just fine, but I'm not colorblind. And even if I were, there's multiple kinds of colorblindness - and of vision disabilities in general, from dyslexia to astigmatism.

For small developers there's checker tools and simulators, but Apple is huge and has a responsibility to get this right.

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147. babypu+FH1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:57:15
>>flagra+ha1
It's not a fundamental design flaw, this will happen with every device that ships with a modern rechargeable battery.

Android does the exact same thing now, but I don't see people boycotting Google over it.

The problem was that Apple didn't communicate this to the user. People didn't know why their phone was slow.

replies(1): >>flagra+an2
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148. wizofa+oI1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 23:01:20
>>rootus+Bz1
> both of those are easy to read

Most accessibility problems aren't things that those without some sort of sensory disability (beyond mild long-sightedness) can detect easily - at least, without using tools to do so.

Surely though there is some sort of "accessible" mode you can put it into that does improve the contrast?

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149. babypu+JI1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 23:03:41
>>flagra+Wl1
Heat had nothing to do with it. The internal resistance of the battery increases as it wears out, lowering the peak output current.

Increased heat when operating near the current limit is a symptom, not a cause. Adding a fan or a chonky heatsink to your iPhone wouldn't magically raise this limit.

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150. lmm+8J1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 23:05:30
>>Sebast+KK
The stuff Apple does is even more blatantly anti-consumer than their competitors. The difference is that Apple have fans who will defend them, in a way that Microsoft, Google or Facebook don't really. It's the reality distortion field, not Apple being better at straddling the line.
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151. throwa+DJ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 23:09:33
>>acomje+G31
I am baffled by this thread. Never seen any such behavior. Just enabled Safari suggestions. Looking up a place on Google, clicking Maps, Google Maps opens.

I am not sure whether to be against this feature because I cannot get it working... Is it an US only feature or some magic combination of other settings is required?

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152. babypu+BK1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 23:14:46
>>ars+Nz1
This is because the "search with Google" feature is not actually provided by Terminal, it is a service[1] provided by Safari. Other browsers could easily provide their own service, but I haven't seen any that actually do.

You can see and configure all available services by going to the app menu in the menu bar and selecting Services -> Services Settings

1. https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/use-services-in-app...

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153. OJFord+8M1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 23:27:06
>>FireBe+FF1
I wasn't blaming Windows for it being difficult as such, though for requiring it I suppose.

Macs ship with SIP enabled and it's easy to disable, I don't know what the (comparable) issue is there?

Again, not that I'm at all an Apple/Mac fanboy, I've had one personal Apple device (2013 Air) and a couple of work MBPs since. If anything macOS could be credited with moving me to Linux. Before it I only really knew Windows, but now I'd say 'Linux is what you make of it, macOS is just about manageable, and Windows is what it is'.

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154. downWi+pO1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 23:41:47
>>rootus+ow1
You can always find a reason to defend any feature. In the case of this article you could say it's more seamless to open Outlook links in their browser. And that's exactly what Microsoft's PR says.

But for some reason Apple's fans are way more insistent in defending everything and sticking to the PR department's arguments. No criticism is allowed to stand.

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155. RoyGBi+CO1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 23:43:13
>>Sebast+KK
> The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better;

I think this is one thing a ton of people don't realize. Apple doesn't want to sell you individual devices. They want you to sell an entire electronic ecosystem that serves all of your technology needs and seamlessly integrates all of it for you.

It's why they put effort into things like handoff, copy & paste on iPhone/mac, AirDrop, iCloud photo sharing, et al. Sure there's a profit motive in having you use all their stuff, but they really do make a genuine effort to make things work together better than disparate devices, companies or manufacturers do.

I still have to use a private channel in Signal to share things like pics or links from iOS/OSX/Windows because there just isn't a good cross-ecosystem app that I've found. Discord and slack sort of work, but they're not E2E encrypted like Signal is.

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156. ars+1R1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 23:59:23
>>babypu+BK1
Thanks, appreciate the info. Strange though that the services make zero mention of who is providing them.

And really Apple should have made a generic service using the default browser, rather than this being a Safari provided thing. I guess the OP's "edge of anti-consumer" theory has some merit.

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157. FireBe+OU1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 00:28:53
>>OJFord+8M1
> Macs ship with SIP enabled and it's easy to disable, I don't know what the (comparable) issue is there?

I generally use a Mac too, connected to Linux systems, but from the last time I disabled Secure Boot on a PC, the process was press F2 for Setup, go to the System tab in the BIOS, and uncheck Secure Boot, Save.

It's not particularly harder than a Mac: Restart in Recovery Mode, Launch a terminal, `csrutil disable`, Reboot.

> though for requiring it I suppose

Just like Mac "requires" it? I guess I just don't see how this is a "Windows sucks compared to Mac, let alone Linux" thing.

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158. andyfe+4Y1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 00:54:41
>>BudaDu+Dj1
You know, I've always noticed that iMessages were blue and SMS were green, but I've never found one more or less legible than the other. To me the fact that they are different colours is nice.

I worry this a subjective matter, i.e. if the colours were reversed some people would make exactly the same complaint.

The actual argument really should focus on whether phone providers should use some interoperable standard more capable than SMS. If they can't come to consensus then the telecommunications regulators should involve themselves and force one.

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159. j16sdi+jY1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 00:56:26
>>wizofa+oI1
The "increase contrast" option under accessibility settings with well for me.

In fact, it is much better than what iOS6 had.

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160. gerash+1Z1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 01:03:05
>>Sebast+KK
Apple gets away with some anti-competitive practices that is mind boggling. On iOS, their own app (Apple Maps) can draw a large custom notification for their turn by turn navigation but no other apps is allowed to do the same.
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161. NoPick+L02[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 01:14:28
>>andyfe+4Y1
Agree
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162. sgjohn+n62[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 02:00:46
>>FireBe+qE1
> Then try to run it from the command line. Be told that it "cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified". This is NOT the "is an app downloaded from the Internet, do you wish to run it?" dialog.

Yes, you get the “developer cannot be verified” error if the code isn’t signed. Which is perfectly fine, I don’t see how this is anti-consumer.

It’s $99 for a code signing cert (per developer account) on macOS/iOS, which I believe is less than what they cost on Windows.

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163. 111111+882[view] [source] 2023-06-28 02:15:10
>>acomje+(OP)
Capitalism has stages.
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164. gramie+m82[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 02:16:51
>>sgjohn+n62
Yes, but the dialog doesn't tell you what to do if you do want to run the code. Why would I think that clicking "Open" in the popup menu would do anything different from double-clicking?

Also, an individual Microsoft Store cert is $19 (one-time, not per year), and a company account is $99.

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165. rootus+Rh2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 03:57:54
>>downWi+pO1
I find that more often than not, the anti-fans are more strident these days than the fans are. What I like is that there are some knowledgeable fans here on HN that don't just retort with "nuh-uh!" whenever a critic levels some sort of unfounded conspiracy theory at Apple, but actually explain what is going on. They provide context, documentation, and important details that seem to get lost when the only discussion is emotional.

HN isn't perfect, but it's so much better than a lot of other online discussion forums these days.

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166. rootus+Ji2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 04:06:17
>>FireBe+qE1
Interesting, thanks for the link. I've never run into that before. I've downloaded a lot of software, much of it open source. I've only downloaded from the Mac App Store maybe twice ever. But this is the first time I've gotten completely denied. Is it because it was a zip file with an executable inside, rather than an installer? Or as someone else mentioned, because it isn't signed at all? Are all the open source projects paying for signing certs for their OSX installer packages?

Again, thanks for the link. That's probably the only time I'll run into that, it clearly isn't my usual use case, but I'm glad you could back up the assertion with something I could see for myself.

I do agree that it should be clearer how you can run the executable if you really do trust it.

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167. midori+wk2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 04:22:44
>>lucb1e+Bj1
>To be fair, you trust Microsoft to be your OS

Exactly. If you don't trust Microsoft with your confidential data, and to supply you the best browser, then why are you using their OS?

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168. flagra+sm2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 04:38:38
>>thebru+8v1
My understanding was that the concerns were related to degraded batteries having a lower voltage potential.

The hardware and software were shipped with performance optimized to the initial voltage curves of the battery. Once that voltage curve decreases slightly the device will either reboot when the processor attempts to run at a higher clock speed than the battery voltage can support, or the battery can technically keep up though begin to overheat as the operating voltage is a higher draw than the battery can safely handle.

Dont get me wrong I'm not aware of any concerns over the phone actuary catching fire like that one generation of Samsung years ago, but the degraded battery would either lead to reboots or excess heat.

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169. flagra+0n2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 04:44:55
>>babypu+JI1
I don't believe I ever said heat was the cause, if I did I misphrased my point. Excess heat was absolutely the symptom, but it was a symptom of a design that was pushed beyond the limits of regular operation.

A two year old lithium battery under normal use will hardly degrade at all. Any design that pushed the limits so far that a degredation of a few percent over promised and under delivered. In Apples case it could be remedied with a software update, but that doesn't mean the device held up to the original performance claims over a standard life cycle of device use.

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170. flagra+an2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 04:46:35
>>babypu+FH1
I haven't actually seen Google specifically call out that their devices will be throttled in a year or two. I'd be curious to see thatif you have a link though, I haven't kept as up to date with the more recent pixel devices.
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171. flagra+En2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 04:51:01
>>thebru+Du1
I had one of the early generation 17" MacBook pros that ended up with a swollen battery. And when I say swollen, I mean the case eventually split in two and was about 1/2" taller than it was originally.

Granted this happened because glue in the battery was compromised by excess heat because Steve Jobs preferred heat over the sound of a fan, but the machine never rebooted or shut down due to heat or decreased max voltage.

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172. realit+Cp2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 05:16:13
>>heleni+0v1
My work ThinkPad running Windows has exactly the same problem. Modern Standby I’m told.
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173. imkehn+sr2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 05:36:51
>>OJFord+Fb1
During the last 10 years or so I’ve gradually been using less and less Windows. Used to do everything on Windows - now at home, it’s only for gaming and I’ve been dabbling with proton to hop off the sinking ship. Due to some proprietary windows tied software, I have to use dualboot at work. All development work is and has been done on Linux for a good while.

Don’t want to support WSL - due Microsoft being Microsoft, mediocrity and smoke and mirrors to leech on your telemetry. Am waiting anxiously for the moment to cut off the final ties with Microsoft OS.

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174. sorami+3v2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 06:10:25
>>flagra+Ow1
> most devices are designed with a commination of passive and active cooling

Smartphones with active cooling? You must live in world that's very different from the one I live in.

Also, as mentioned in other replies, your whole point about "overheating and rebooting" is a straw man. Throttling was introduced to address battery aging. Again, a problem that affects every device with rechargeable batteries.

> Apple just has a history of prioritizing design asthenic and they're willing to push the limits on thermal regulation.

Except they do have thermal controls...

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175. solard+6w2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 06:19:39
>>andyfe+4Y1
That's what RCS is but Apple doesn't want to join. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services?wp...

iMessage is apparently a differentiator for them.

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176. solard+Iw2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 06:23:46
>>vladva+7U
Apple first party devices have proprietary H1/H2 chips that supplement the Bluetooth stack and enable easier pairing, audio sharing, spatial positioning, etc.

https://www.soundguys.com/how-does-apple-h1-chip-work-21049/

That only works if you use two Apple devices together. You don't get those functions with other Bluetooth on a Mac, or using Airpods with an Android. It doesn't really make that big of a difference IMO but it's there.

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177. shortc+Jw2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 06:23:46
>>Sebast+KK
> The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better

bluetooth headphones work to the best of their ability on Apple devices. Apple invented a better technology for their own headphones to improve problems inherent with bluetooth. I’m struggling to understand how improving upon a flawed technology is anti-consumer? Apple devices still support bluetooth, and Apple headphones work with non-Apple devices over bluetooth.

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178. thebru+7x2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 06:26:18
>>flagra+sm2
There is no “overdrive” as you suggest. With a higher internal resistance you get a bigger voltage drop internally. There is way to overcome this.
179. kakadu+dy2[view] [source] 2023-06-28 06:37:04
>>acomje+(OP)
> Its getting worse everywhere:

I was introduced to the following concept[1] some time back, and I can't help but think it gives a very reasonable explanation as to why everything is a subscription these days.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendency_of_the_rate_of_profit...

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180. raxxor+Lz2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 06:50:31
>>tut-ur+vG
There is a portable version of Firefox that so far seems to run everywhere. The benefits you get with a portable browser are quite amazing.

Of course, that limits system integration, but you can still register it as a default browser.

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181. Sebast+1D2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 07:20:36
>>lmm+8J1
I considered that, but no, the discussions in this thread alone should be evidence, that it's not that clear cut.
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182. justso+wD2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 07:25:19
>>thebru+Du1
> what answer you’re looking for here

It was a rhetorical question, yet a Jobs' fanboi couldn't resist, see the neighbouring comment.

> each system is different

Except in that part it's pretty much the same. Or your battery, even discharged, can keep up with a full load from a CPU, GPU, WiFi and GPS modules eating amps, or it couldn't even when it's fresh.

If at 3V your battery couldn't power the system then you shouldn't show 3V as 30%, you should show it as 0% and adjust %/V curve accordingly.

It's simple, it's about momentary load in amps, but "only some iPhone 6S models manufactured in September and October 2015 had suffered from a battery manufacturing defect" yet millions of iPhones were slowed down ~~totally not beacuse Apple needed to sell the next iPhone~~.

And as an anecdote - even after the years of abuse, the last time I used my XT910 it was literally showing 10% when I enabled the radio so I could receive a SMS from my bank on it. I really expected it to just shutdown (because enabling radio means data too, so all that bullshit rushed to update their things and using data => more power draw) and for me to be stranded in a remote city without money. But not only it did survive that, it kept chugging for another 4 hours, with radio disabled, ofc. *shrug_emoji*

> Or what is your point?

What people would eagerly drink any Koolaid what would make them feel entitled or standing out. Which most Apple fanbois vehemently deny.

NB: there are people who just use iPhones/Macs/whatever and don't engage in defending 'their favourite brand', of course they aren't fanbois.

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183. justso+SD2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 07:28:19
>>rootus+vx1
Ah, yes, the mighty Apple chips suck so much what an inferior chips from the other manufacturers never could!

Or you drunk your Koolaid and ignored "GPU, WiFi, GPS" parts.

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184. thebru+pE2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 07:33:12
>>justso+wD2
This is a low quality comment not fitting with the discussions we try to have on HN. Please stop trying to call people fanboys for no reason.

> yet millions of iPhones were slowed

Citation needed. Only handsets with degraded batteries were slowed, and only after the first brownout. Replacing the battery brought it back to full speed. This is the main point people don’t understand. Every phone got the software update. The feature still exists today. But not all phones were slowed. My iPhone 11 will slow if the battery degrades.

If they wanted to sell you a new phone, was that the best way to do it? Couldn’t they… have just done nothing instead? Like the other manufacturers? Instead of prolonging the life of resetting handsets?

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185. OJFord+rO2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 09:13:52
>>FireBe+OU1
I was trying to turn it on, not off, because it was required for Windows 11 upgrade. That involves going into the BIOS, being perplexed by key generation options and obscure acronyms, trying my best, ending up with an unbootable computer, and having to remove CMOS battery and short a couple of jumper pins to reset the BIOS (battery pull alone was insufficient).

A non-technical user could disable SIP, though they'd never need to; good luck to them upgrading to Windows 11.

Newly requiring it on upgrade when it's hard to do and hardware may be incompatible anyway isn't great IMO. It's not really protecting anyone from anything, because it just leaves them unprotected in exactly the same way on the older OS. As long as they don't brick it trying.

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186. diffeo+mV2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 10:22:45
>>RoyGBi+CO1
Which would be fine. The annoying thing is making things worse if you don't buy in, e.g.

https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/16/apple-tv-iphone-required/

Or sherlocking stuff without acknowledging anyone, e.g. game porting toolkit.

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187. Jnr+iX2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 10:42:50
>>dmitry+aN
That is not true. Maybe it is your experience but it is not universal. And you have to look at that particular device you used. Depending on the distro you most likely will have to do additional configuration to enable different power saving features on Linux.

From the Thinkpads I have seen and used (last one in 2023) I haven't yet seen one that is "fully supported" out of the box on Linux and all of them required some degree of tinkering.

By the way Arch wiki has a nice overview on configuring power saving properly, in case you ever need it in the future: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management

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188. mdhen+C23[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 11:36:34
>>dmitry+aN
It's actually gotten a lot better in the last 3 or so years. Especially with power-profiles-daemon. I think it's pretty much at par with windows at this point. Assuming you are running an up to date kernel.
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189. diffeo+K43[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 11:53:56
>>bombel+IT
Battery life of hackintoshes never was that impressive or was it? But if you want apples to oranges instead, then even in its very basic, hacky state linux on that macbook gets 8-10 hours:

https://twitter.com/AsahiLinux/status/1500039345142923269?la...

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190. sgjohn+9v3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 14:10:49
>>gramie+m82
So what? The average user is going to assume that it can’t be run (which is a good thing, as we don’t want people to run random unsigned binaries they find on the internet), and the tech-savvy ones will find a way.

It’s not like Apple is stopping you from running it. 1 quick google search and there you go. It’s a good design, in my opinion.

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191. MSFT_E+ZE3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 14:55:24
>>oefnak+Qa1
I didn't do anything special.Years ago the xps15 had some issues installing linux, there was a git repo with a special post install script to get the drivers sorted. Dell fan control can be weird but this was many years ago at this point.

I have a normal ubuntu install, I use the i3wm to reduce general load. Resolution set to 1440p with xrandr, no scale adjustments. GPU disabled, totally on intel graphics.

My xps is about 4.5 years old right now, I have replaced the battery when it started to swell slightly, the replacement was salvaged from another and even worse, so after a year I put the original battery back in.

I honestly think the biggest thing is a tiling wm. Any time I go from full gnome to i3wm, my battery life gets an instant 3 hour bonus.

Big ole note, because of the age and battery degradation, i can squeeze about 6-7 hours out of with if I limit myself to a single firefox window and text editors. When it was brand new, 13 hours of normal use was totally doable.

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192. MSFT_E+wF3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 14:58:00
>>heleni+0v1
I've noticed once in a blue moon, my thinkpad will get the screen state reversed if I close and open it too fast, interrupting the standby sequence. I wonder if its bouncing open in the bag?

Mine's a 4th gen X1 carbon with an ancient Antergos install from 2016 that I converted to normal arch after they closed the project. i3wm, probably some thinkpad specific tweaks from the arch wiki but the machine is so damn stable I rarely think about it.

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193. Angost+XU3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 15:57:40
>>13of40+47
I think you are asked about whether you want to use Siri/Safari suggestion at phone set-up time, but I may be wrong on that.
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194. bombel+sW3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 16:03:35
>>diffeo+K43
That's pretty good indeed! I don't like the keyboard layout (I want my delete key!). But that's a minor inconvenience compared to how good the machine appears to run Linux.
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195. neop1x+s74[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 16:51:50
>>Sebast+KK
Not long ago I couldn't read an SMS message on iPad without enabling iMessage service first. Not sure if that is still the case. But that felt anti-consumer as I didn't want to use iMessage, I just wanted to use SMS reading functionality.
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196. twobit+aM4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 19:50:47
>>sterli+mH1
I know a person that can only see red clearly, so he shifts colors in the iOS settings to a red tint. Green icons shifted to red work fine, but what doesn’t work are the health and music icons which are white on red. Applying the color shift in iOS just turns these into red squares. This stuff is hard to get right. For him it’s better to not have single color icons with no outlines, but that’s the trend today. You might think less detail in icons would help accessibility but that’s not always the case.
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197. xen2xe+y85[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 21:44:12
>>OJFord+rO2
If you needed key generation to install Windows 11 you did it wrong? I know you do for new Linux kernels and things, but why for Windows 11?
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198. heleni+Tb5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 22:02:54
>>MSFT_E+wF3
> I wonder if its bouncing open in the bag?

Definitely not physically possible in my bag. I've chalked it up to the fact that linux desktop environments are just a total hodgepodge of weird components with unclear responsibility boundaries that couldn't possibly handle all the edge cases properly when you stick them all together. This leads to stuff like the fact that if I suspend my laptop with an external monitor connected, but then un-suspend it without that external monitor connected, I'm often presented with a lock screen that I can't actually interact with, forcing me to either seek out a monitor or switch over to text console to log in and kill my session.

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199. efreak+ug5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 22:31:02
>>flagra+an2
Anecdotally: a while back while I was running a long build in termux in a warm room with my tablet plugged in to charge, I got a notification that my device was being throttled to prevent thermal damage. I wouldn't be surprised if this was common I haven't gotten such a message since, however I also don't have a habit of building software on my tablet (I have a vague memory that whatever it was didn't offer a cross compilation method outside of qemu/emulation)
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200. gramie+Lq5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 23:30:10
>>sgjohn+9v3
> the tech-savvy ones will find a way

That doesn't sound like good design to me.

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201. 9935c1+b56[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-29 05:31:53
>>Sebast+KK
The issue with iPhone batteries was one of communication — what they were doing, they still do, as do all smartphone manufactures, because it’s just a downside of lithium batteries.

> the no-iCloud experience

What?

> The way regular Bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work better.

I… I don’t see how this is apple’s fault. Bluetooth, as a standard, is obviously limiting. Apple, making both headphones and the devices that play audio, had an opportunity to offer a better product to their customers if you use other apple devices. That’s fine, and I would argue, eminently reasonable. I just don’t get what you’re driving at here, would love to hear more.

The reason I like apple is that, in vague general terms, their interests as a company often align with my interests as a consumer.

Yes, you can argue that apple has made changes in safari detrimental to google for business reasons. But shit, I’m happy about that. The less data my phone silently sends off to google, the better.

Maybe I’ve just fallen for their ploy, but I do actually really like the apple products I own (and I often try the non-apple alternatives because I love tech). No company is perfect, and I know they aren’t my friend or don’t care about me. But until I feel apples interests diverge from my own significantly, I’ll find alternatives.

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202. simion+5l6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-29 08:00:16
>>Animat+hf1
And is Flatpack so hard to install? I use not flatpacks and probably many are like me, why should we get 10 different package managers installed because some minority wants it's prefered one pre-installed.

Anyway I was right, it was FUD, you were referring about not beeing installed by default. Can you maybe do a self-diagnostic and find out why you spread FUD? Would it be nice if I would do the same about Flatpack or your distro? (Do not respond, just analyze this and maybe realize you can be better)

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203. sgjohn+Ww6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-29 09:56:34
>>gramie+Lq5
The average user has no need whatsoever to run unsigned code on macOS. Or on Windows for that matter, but code signing on Windows doesn't really matter as nobody reads those popups anyway.
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204. lenkit+5s7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-29 15:40:29
>>lmm+8J1
This. Observed this so many times here on HN, its not even funny. The restriction on browser engines on the iPhone, the so-called "app-tracking privacy" feature, etc. Apple fans will defend all of this to the death.
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205. Bizarr+8E7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-29 16:29:41
>>lenkit+5s7
They're already crawling out of the woodwork in this very conversation to defend Apple. It's insane.
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206. Bizarr+hF7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-29 16:33:27
>>vladva+9V
I have a lenovo laptop that gets 4-5 hours battery life on Windows and about 70 minutes on Fedora Linux.

I suspect part of it is due to some incompatibility with the nouveau graphics driver, but it's not been a big enough problem that I had to solve it yet.

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207. trelan+f2j[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-02 22:29:35
>>Jnr+iX2
> Thinkpads I have seen and used (last one in 2023) I haven't yet seen one that is "fully supported" out of the box on Linux and all of them required some degree of tinkering.

Yes, that is my limited experience with Thinkpad as well.

This don't ship with Linux and are not Linux Hardware. They're Windows hardware.

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