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1. twobit+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-06-27 19:52:59
The color thing is an urban legend. Original iPhone chat bubbles were green pre-Apple having an alternative to SMS. The messages icon is green. For some reason Apple thought messages should be green.
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2. BudaDu+V8[view] [source] 2023-06-27 20:42:29
>>twobit+(OP)
It's not that its green thats the issue, is the shade of green they chose. It does not contrast well with white text and makes it hard to read.
replies(2): >>rootus+Zj >>andyfe+mN
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3. rootus+Zj[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:40:50
>>BudaDu+V8
But the argument does become a lot weaker unless they changed the shade of green after introducing iMessage. If it stayed the same, then it's just the design they chose from the beginning.

Also worth noting is that the color only applies to sent messages. When you receive a message, it's just gray in either case. It makes a certain amount of sense to let the user know which transport their outbound message went on since it will affect your expectations.

replies(3): >>ryukaf+Mn >>goosed+0o >>lhamil+4u
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4. ryukaf+Mn[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:02:30
>>rootus+Zj
They did change the shade of green, and the newer one is much less readable. See for yourself:

Original: https://ronstauffer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/taking-a-pic...

Current: https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare...

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5. goosed+0o[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:04:18
>>rootus+Zj
They kinda did just not immediately. iMessage was introduced in iOS 5 pre-redesign. It used to be black text on a lighter green. With iOS 7 they moved to white text on searing green.
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6. rootus+To[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:09:30
>>ryukaf+Mn
It may just be that I happen to have my reading glasses on right now, but both of those are easy to read.

But let's run with that for a moment, and assume many people do in fact find that more difficult to read. I still have trouble calling that particularly hostile given that it's sent messages, received ones are the same color no matter what.

I'm more open to the green vs blue argument than the old-green vs new-green one. Apple definitely wants you to know you're using iMessage. It just happens to be useful for me as a customer, too -- I'm glad it's prominent when I send a text message instead of an iMessage. It aligns my expectations for what features will work in the conversation.

replies(2): >>sterli+Ew >>wizofa+Gx
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7. rootus+ap[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:11:24
>>goosed+0o
From my memories of that UI design shift, nobody cared much about text messages in particular, because we generally hated all of the flattened, vivid color and white text graphics. But it's been a while, maybe I'm misremembering how annoyed people were. That was when we lost skeuomorphic design, as I recall, which some people were/are very attracted to.
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8. lhamil+4u[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:39:05
>>rootus+Zj
They actually did change it. It used to be much more readable. There's a comparison screenshot in this article https://css-tricks.com/apple-messages-color-contrast/
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9. sterli+Ew[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:55:17
>>rootus+To
I caution against relying on your own senses when designing for accessibility. I can tell the red and green buttons apart just fine, but I'm not colorblind. And even if I were, there's multiple kinds of colorblindness - and of vision disabilities in general, from dyslexia to astigmatism.

For small developers there's checker tools and simulators, but Apple is huge and has a responsibility to get this right.

replies(1): >>twobit+sB3
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10. wizofa+Gx[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 23:01:20
>>rootus+To
> both of those are easy to read

Most accessibility problems aren't things that those without some sort of sensory disability (beyond mild long-sightedness) can detect easily - at least, without using tools to do so.

Surely though there is some sort of "accessible" mode you can put it into that does improve the contrast?

replies(1): >>j16sdi+BN
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11. andyfe+mN[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 00:54:41
>>BudaDu+V8
You know, I've always noticed that iMessages were blue and SMS were green, but I've never found one more or less legible than the other. To me the fact that they are different colours is nice.

I worry this a subjective matter, i.e. if the colours were reversed some people would make exactly the same complaint.

The actual argument really should focus on whether phone providers should use some interoperable standard more capable than SMS. If they can't come to consensus then the telecommunications regulators should involve themselves and force one.

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12. j16sdi+BN[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 00:56:26
>>wizofa+Gx
The "increase contrast" option under accessibility settings with well for me.

In fact, it is much better than what iOS6 had.

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13. NoPick+3Q[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 01:14:28
>>andyfe+mN
Agree
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14. solard+ol1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 06:19:39
>>andyfe+mN
That's what RCS is but Apple doesn't want to join. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services?wp...

iMessage is apparently a differentiator for them.

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15. twobit+sB3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 19:50:47
>>sterli+Ew
I know a person that can only see red clearly, so he shifts colors in the iOS settings to a red tint. Green icons shifted to red work fine, but what doesn’t work are the health and music icons which are white on red. Applying the color shift in iOS just turns these into red squares. This stuff is hard to get right. For him it’s better to not have single color icons with no outlines, but that’s the trend today. You might think less detail in icons would help accessibility but that’s not always the case.
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