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1. Taylor+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-10-04 20:07:44
It's funny because if they did not release a new phone every year, the old phones would be useful for longer. I recently had to replace my iPhone 7s plus because it was getting so slow I sometimes could not get the camera to open as it loaded the system down too much. This was despite the fact that the system said my battery was not degraded (it had been replaced with Apple Care a couple of times).

Of course when it was new the camera opened quickly. And then Apple made their OS more heavy weight every year until my phone slowed to a crawl.

And faster phones are nice, but I think it is worth considering how valuable that really is to us as users and a society, especially if the process involves making loads and loads of ewaste and consuming tons of new resources, and all the emissions their mining and transport involves, when we could simply keep our software slim and our old devices functional.

And the big companies will never do this. Do we need to force them to allow open software to run on these devices, so that clean builds can be patched and maintained when the company over bloats them or abandons them?

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2. sanswo+x3[view] [source] 2023-10-04 20:22:39
>>Taylor+(OP)
I don't update my phone every year but I also don't really want the progress of software or tech in general determined by the laggards.
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3. kimber+D3[view] [source] 2023-10-04 20:23:23
>>Taylor+(OP)
I know there have been cases where companies seem to intentionally slow down old phones to encourage new sales, but it doesn't really even require an "evil" motive. By releasing new hardware yearly, they are dramatically increasing their workload by having to support every device. On top of that, there's the perverse incentive that spending the money to release timely, high-quality updates to previous-generation devices will actually have a negative impact on their bottom line by reducing new sales.
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4. kimber+s7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 20:39:09
>>sanswo+x3
I think that a new phone release should just be warranted. The trigger should be "we made significant improvements that couldn't be applied in software to the old device" instead of "it's October"
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5. sanswo+tb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 20:55:09
>>kimber+s7
An improved camera can't be something applied in software, a faster chip can't be applied in software. So by your own standard every version is warranted.
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6. kaba0+Jc[view] [source] 2023-10-04 21:00:55
>>Taylor+(OP)
> And then Apple made their OS more heavy weight every year until my phone slowed to a crawl.

I mean, it is a bit unfair against Apple - some of the reason behind the OS getting more heavyweight is actually backporting new features in 7 year’s distance, many which actually has dedicated hardware in case of the more modern lineup.

Also, there is a big aspect which is independent of Apple: every app is getting more and more heavy, the same phone now has to open a 500MB facebook app, not a 70MB one (just random numbers).

Also, the whole “yearly replacement” thing is just.. not an actual thing. People on average change their phones every 3 years, where the accumulated small improvements do add up. But everyone is at a different point in the cycle, so it absolutely makes sense. Add to it how apple devices hold their value to an insane degree, often living 2nd-3rd lives, and one would be really hard-pressed to actually pinpoint apple as a threat against our planet - compared to cheap androids that are barely good for a single year due to instantly obsolete software, has no resale value whatsoever, and are absolutely single-use.

I am not a proponent of extreme capitalism/libertarianism, but I really have a hard time with a realistic business model that would be significantly better.

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7. tap-sn+Nf[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 21:16:22
>>kaba0+Jc
> People on average change their phones every 3 years

People in my circles seem to use their phones for 6-7 years atleast.

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8. kimber+yi[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 21:30:22
>>sanswo+tb
"significant" is the key word here. I'd be hard pressed to think of a generational release of an existing phone line in the last 5 years that I would describe as a "significant" improvement.

The things you listed (camera and chip speed) are basically the only things left that these companies can claim is better than last year's model, but only because it's so easy to use synthetic benchmarks and numbers that mean nothing to make them sound like a dramatic improvement despite the fact that we've reached the bottom of the barrel in terms of diminishing returns on the user experience for smartphones in their current form. More megapixels don't matter anymore, CPUs are hardly a limiting factor and yearly gains on their performance are marginal at best, and we have more than enough RAM for pretty much all use cases.

My point is that if these companies insist on re-releasing the same phone every time, maybe they could space it out a little.

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9. vel0ci+Ti[view] [source] 2023-10-04 21:32:07
>>Taylor+(OP)
I wonder how much of that is the software demands increasing and the flash storage itself wearing out over time. As flash storage wears it'll often go slower and slower as the error correction needs to process more to actually get you the uncorrupted bits. This is why a lot of cheap devices tend to just become unbearably slow after a while, their storage just gets to be way too slow.

Flash storage doesn't last forever, and it's got a whole gradient of failure and wear experiences.

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10. kimber+5j[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 21:33:14
>>tap-sn+Nf
This figure sourcing gallup has nearly half of Americans replacing their phone "as soon as their carrier allows it": https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/07/15/how-often-...
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11. hamand+6n[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 21:57:49
>>sanswo+x3
If anything it seems to me like hardware advances are directly correlated with increasingly worse software.
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12. chimer+Fn[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 22:00:09
>>vel0ci+Ti
> I wonder how much of that is the software demands increasing and the flash storage itself wearing out over time. As flash storage wears it'll often go slower and slower as the error correction needs to process more to actually get you the uncorrupted bits. This is why a lot of cheap devices tend to just become unbearably slow after a while, their storage just gets to be way too slow.

Too bad no flagship phones have removable storage anymore, because that would be a really easy fix to this problem.

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13. vel0ci+Co[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 22:06:31
>>chimer+Fn
If we're looking at older phones with removable storage, it usually limited what could be put on the SD card. And in the end the OS and system libraries were still on the on-board storage which would wear out over the years.

And there's good reason for the OS not being on a microSD card. Run a Raspberry Pi without locking the storage and see how fast it'll corrupt itself. Most SD cards have pretty miserable reliability compared to the storage on-board. Imagine if you had to re-image your device every few weeks after your storage device corrupted itself again. Not really a great experience.

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14. dotanc+fq[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 22:16:39
>>tap-sn+Nf
And those people are the reason that the average is three years, instead of one year like the teenagers do.
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15. sanswo+Fq[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 22:19:56
>>kimber+yi
Just because you don't value the type of improvements doesn't mean there aren't improvements. It just means you probably don't need to upgrade this year.
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16. rurp+Gq[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 22:20:01
>>sanswo+tb
My last three phone upgrades have been decidedly 'meh', and I only upgrade every 2-3 years. There have been some marginal improvements in battery life and performance, and some software niceties; but those get counteracted by bloat, regressions, and UX churn. Replacable battery and storage becoming less common is categorically worse for users.

A phone with upgradable parts and minimal bloat would be better than any recent phone I've had, but it would also be less profitable for Google so obviously they will avoid that as much as possible.

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17. whatsc+qr[view] [source] 2023-10-04 22:24:33
>>Taylor+(OP)
There’s no such thing as the iPhone 7S Plus, but nice story
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18. sanswo+Ir[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 22:27:02
>>hamand+6n
People have been saying this literally since the release of the pentium and probably earlier. From where I'm sitting software is millions of times better today than it was in the 90s when I first started hearing people saying this(usually complaining about developers using C++ instead of assembly).

Even just on the iphone the improvements in software have been dramatic over the past 10 years. Go install one of the early versions of ios on the simulator some time to see how far we've come.

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19. daniel+Ps[view] [source] 2023-10-04 22:36:30
>>Taylor+(OP)
That’s specifically covered under new EU ewaste laws - upgrades the impair device performance must be fixed in a reasonable timeframe.
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20. jonpla+Ts[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 22:36:59
>>kaba0+Jc
If Apple just let people hang out on the last nicely-working version of iOS, where their camera still opens fast, then that’d be fine. But they don’t. They bully you into always being on the latest

Also, I remember a while back they did a specific optimised speed-up release of iOS with barely any new features and it _really_ worked. My iPhone 6S went from being basically garbage I was going to replace to like a brand new phone.

They can do it if they want to. It’s what’s needed now. My iPhone 12 Pro has started to feel super slow since I got iOS 17. I have a new battery. Even texting feels painfully slow. There’s no excuse for this. It’s either deliberate and bad, or lazy and bad. Either way it’s bad.

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21. cmcale+0u[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 22:45:28
>>whatsc+qr
Or there are such things as regional exclusives.

https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/apple-ip...

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22. Barrin+qu[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 22:50:04
>>sanswo+Ir
> From where I'm sitting software is millions of times better today than it was in the 90s

I feel compelled to bring up this tweet from John Carmack I just saw a few hours ago. The most popular editor on the planet feels laggier than stuff Borland made in the 90s, on hardware probably a thousand times as fast. I don't know how anyone can say software is great with a straight face.

We have supercomputers in our pockets and on the slightly aged phone my dad refuses to upgrade from four years ago many apps lag. They display like 5 widgets or 20 rows of items at any given time

https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1709651442762481877?s=20

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23. drchic+Nv[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 23:00:27
>>Barrin+qu
The ratio of users who give a shit about 100ms of input lag on a 4 year old phone is tiny compared to devs who cared about typing lag 20 years ago
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24. sanswo+1w[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 23:01:34
>>Barrin+qu
Turbo C++ was my first IDE(a birthday present when I was a kid) and I will always be grateful of it for triggering my love of programming but to say that is even in the same category as a modern IDE is a huge stretch. Of course modern stuff is laggier for most IDE's as it's doing real time analysis on your code as you type. If you want to compare it with a Borland IDE from the 90s open up notepad and start typing.
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25. paulry+9w[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 23:02:28
>>vel0ci+Co
Perhaps SDcard isn't the right standard. Or some stress testing certification is in order
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26. fh9302+Ex[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 23:17:17
>>cmcale+0u
The iPhone 7S does not exist. You have linked to a pre-release rumour article for a non-existent device.
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27. tshadd+1z[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 23:29:26
>>kimber+s7
But it's silly to imply that there would be a new release every October even if they hadn't designed a new phone and prepared it for mass manufacture. What determines whether each release is "warranted" is, roughly, whether people buy the new one.
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28. Taylor+mz[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 23:32:47
>>whatsc+qr
Ah I was always a bit foggy on that, I bought it about 7 years ago. I guess it was just the normal 7 Plus.
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29. grumpy+7A[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 23:39:48
>>sanswo+Ir
> From where I'm sitting software is millions of times better today than it was in the 90s when I first started hearing people saying this.

Define better. I enjoyed computers more in the 80s. There was less bureaucracy. Cubase on the Atari ST never crashed. The modern C++ one does crash, often.

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30. dmoy+dC[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 23:58:09
>>daniel+Ps
Does that cover e.g. flash degradation over time from just normal write cycles?
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31. TeMPOr+DC[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 00:01:21
>>vel0ci+Co
IDK, I've never had a RPi corrupt an SD card to my knowledge. Also, there are now SD cards optimized for the load patterns similar to that of an OS.

There's unfortunately slightly different issue here: if the phone vendor puts the OS on an user-replaceable SD card, then the UX quality and reliability of the device depends on the SD card vendor, which is a bad position to be in, given how much fraud is happening in this space.

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32. ethbr1+IC[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 00:01:57
>>vel0ci+Co
With cloud backup... this isn't as defensible as it used to be.

Today, Apple/Google could design a phone with (a) a user-replacable battery & (b) no flash, only RAM + removable SD storage + long-life EEPROM.

Boot loader, SD validator, and minimal image retrieval goes in EEPROM. Storage contents continually backed up, encrypted, to cloud with delta updates. Customer prompted to replace SD card and device reimagined whenever there's an issue.

Apple/Google sell cloud storage subscriptions.

Aka the cockroach phone.

That they aren't even interested in that model is because they're in a Faustian bargain with cellular carriers to drive device renewals and post-paid plans.

And integrated batteries and flash memory happen to be a convenient "Oh well, we can't possibly design it any other way" excuse.

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33. Improv+0D[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 00:04:57
>>kimber+s7
im all about keeping my phone 5+ years, but I think that “significant” progress is likely only realized in small incremental amounts..
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34. TeMPOr+2D[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 00:05:11
>>drchic+Nv
It isn't. The users are just conditioned to shut up. Technology universally sucks, but it's magic, and it's all a supplier-driven market with high natural barriers to entry - meaning vendors don't give a flying fuck about what the users think, the users are to buy what they're given and be happy about it - so everyone just accepts it's how it's supposed to be, and adjusts their lives to work around tech being shit.
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35. ethbr1+5E[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 00:16:51
>>rurp+Gq
Honestly, one of my favorite phones was the Motorola (what's now) Power.

Middling specs. Huge battery.

I'm still on a Pixel 4a 5G now, because I haven't seen any reason to upgrade.

But I'm a "I want to be able to accidentally run over my phone with a car, shrug, and go get another one" type of person. (Despite the fact I've never actually cracked a screen...)

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36. ethbr1+pE[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 00:19:48
>>jonpla+Ts
If Apple committed to releasing a full + feature-slim version of each iOS going forward, I'd switch to an iPhone tomorrow.

But that's a lot of maintenance burden, in exchange for slitting their own revenue throat. So hard to expect them to do it for altruism.

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37. ryanbr+hF[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 00:29:30
>>ethbr1+5E
I still use a Motorola G(whatever, honestly can't remember) Power. Works fine, doesn't lag. The camera is nothing to write home about but I have a DSLR for good pictures and all my phone pictures are crap due to a hand tremor that stabilization can't accomodate for anyway.

Battery lasts forever and a day and there's never been a situation where I've felt prevented or limited by the phone.

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38. sanswo+CF[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 00:32:41
>>grumpy+7A
Better features, better functionality.

Much like with old IDEs old DAWs did a lot less. If you truely prefer it why aren't you still running Cubase on an old Atari or emulator?

Besides that there is the whole rose tinted glasses thing. My early experiences getting FreeBSD and Slackware running on my computers, and setting up X for example were something I'd never trade and taught me a lot about debugging systems, configs, etc. But that whole process was objectively worse than today.

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39. whynot+GF[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 00:32:58
>>jonpla+Ts
I also have an iPhone 12 Pro and it’s just as snappy as ever on iOS 17.

Sounds like you might have some buggy / bad app interactions going on? There’s really no reason for a 12 Pro to be slow at this point even if the OS was getting “heavier.” The 12 Pros have 6GB of RAM, which is now pretty standard across the iPhone lineup even years later. And the A14 SoC in the 12 Pro is effectively the same tech as the M1 processors that are still rock-solid at running full blown macOS, albeit with fewer cores running at somewhat lower clocks.

I can’t really think of much reason for you to be having a slow experience aside from the usual bugs that can accompany any new major release, and usually get ironed out over the course of a month or two.

FWIW you also don’t have to update. Of course they bully you to update. You don’t have to.

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40. redeem+LH[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 00:50:39
>>vel0ci+Co
should just use m.2 2230 nvme. should be user replacable, its okay if it needs to be disassembled and its a 30 minute job, but that would solve a whole lot.
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41. admax8+0I[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 00:53:31
>>ethbr1+IC
That's honestly not a good user experience. Having to buy a new sd card routinely, and better hope you system can detect impending as card failures accurately.

Compared to 5 years of good on board storage performance, with no little bits to accidentally lose. And a gradually degradation of performance after that.

They could possibly design a phone the way you outlined, but people won't buy it.

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42. admax8+BI[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 00:58:13
>>kimber+yi
And yet compare this years phone to a phone 5 years old. There is a large different. It just so happens that the yearly increase isn't seen as "significant" to you.
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43. redeem+JI[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 00:59:15
>>sanswo+CF
both can be true. software has become objectively more abominable each passing year. spyware is being normalized, locking down and taking away control from users is being spoonfed to hipster users as "opinionated" and "curated". Have you taken a look at the chromium codebase lately? 1.5GB of compressed (lzma) "code". W T F. Just look 10-15 years ago and look at khtml, look at webkit a few years after the fork, then look at this shit? we still ordered crap from amazon back then. We still had forms to submit to HN or similar. Sure, we didnt have thin webgl wrappers, webusb, webmidi, web-wipe-my-ass updates to our japanese toilets. The amount of direct crap being put into almost everything is beyond measure
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44. TylerE+OI[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 00:59:39
>>admax8+0I
Not to mention what it’ll do the waterproof rating.
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45. jen20+yK[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 01:16:11
>>sanswo+x3
Indeed so: I do replace mine every year because each generation has a successively better camera, and I value being able to take better pictures with the device I have available [1] more than I value the incremental cost to me of selling the old one and buying a new one each year (and iPhones hold their value very well!)

By the requests of the luddites here, I should not be able to do better than a 5 year old camera to appease them.

[1]: I also have a DSLR for special occasions, but I do not carry that round with me generally...

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46. sanswo+DK[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 01:16:46
>>redeem+JI
All those things you're complaining about existed in the past in the form of applets, flash scripts, and activex. They were way worse than a bunch of web* standards.

As for curated/opinionated, most people don't want to be power users. Most people never did it was just in the 90s you had little choice. If you want to be a power user today the options are still there.

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47. eroppl+UK[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 01:18:54
>>admax8+0I
I think most people don't realize how slow SD cards are compared to conventional flash, too. When you put apps on a SD card on Android, it's always been dog slow. And you're at the mercy of the manufacturer to put a reasonably high-speed interface on it.

There are options; NVMe and CFExpress cards exist. But they're large and create inefficiencies in the phone shell (even M.2 2230, when you take into account the mounting mechanism), and I doubt that people are going to pay that kind of money even when they currently pay it for onboard storage.

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48. jen20+1L[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 01:20:08
>>kimber+5j
Of course - it's not like the monthly bill becomes less if you have a phone taken from a carrier, so you should change it out immediately.
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49. dghlsa+DL[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 01:25:08
>>kimber+yi
Depends on your use case.

For me, the addition of satelite SOS introduced on iPhone 14 is a game changer. I do enough out of cell range activity that I carry a SPOT device.

The ability for one more device (and pricy subscription) to be eaten by my phone is fantastic.

For others it might be onboard ai capabilities.

Each incremental hardware update to an iPhone tips the utility scales for someone, and is a completely ignorable change for others. Some people don’t care a bit that the new iPhone has a 2k nit brightness, for others, that is the feature they’ve been waiting for to upgrade.

I don’t pay attention to androids much, but it is pretty rare for iPhone full number bumps not to have a hardware feature that is new.

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50. bpye+JL[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 01:26:23
>>redeem+LH
SD Express is PCIe and much smaller, but a full sized SD card still isn’t small. Supposedly microSD Express exists but I’m not sure that I’ve ever seen it…
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51. Clent+qO[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 01:52:24
>>kimber+5j
That article is from 2018. 2 Year Contracts were still a thing back then. The contract included a hidden fee that covered the cost of the device spread out over the length of the contract.

That is all gone now. Carriers have post-paid plans where the monthly device cost varies based on device. These are 0% interest loans from the carrier. At the same time, people have started holding their phones longer. Renewal periods when to 30 months, then 36 months.

Some people will never be happy but cellphone customers are never happy.

Why can't people just enjoy our pocket computers with their always on connections?

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52. eterni+tO[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 01:52:50
>>vel0ci+Co
Most of that is because the OS defaults write about 20 times more crap than anyone needs, and devs consistently do not care about preserving write cycles. There's still a culture of "Beautiful code is everything, hardware is disposable and meant to be upgraded".

An industrial SD card plus a few software changes would largely solve the problem, but I'm not sure it could be done in a backwards-compatible way, some apps might not work if you stopped letting people hammer the disk with crap.

Even with a standard card, phones don't have any issues with FTL firmware level corruption due to power loss, they have a builtin UPS.

But with phone-scale production there's no reason they couldn't define a new SD variant that had SMART diagnostics and guaranteed reliability properties for similar cost to eMMC.

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53. dheera+LO[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 01:55:41
>>kimber+s7
The reason Google releases a phone every October is because Apple releases a phone around the same time.
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54. dheera+rP[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 02:05:41
>>sanswo+Ir
I don't know, Microsoft Word 2.0 started up on a high-end machine of its time faster than Google Docs with its stupid progress bars.

My Tesla phone key takes 15+ seconds to connect bluetooth and unlock the car, making me look like a goddamn idiot while I keep yanking the car handle while bystanders stare at me as if I'm a car thief.

This stuff should take <0.01s in 2023 by Moore's Law. Computers should work imperceptibly fast by now for the same high-level tasks.

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55. rjzzle+wP[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 02:06:18
>>vel0ci+Co
I have a love/hate relationship with Sony Xperia phones, they look and feel nice, have a 3.5mm and a microSD slot.

That said, unlike Pixels and OnePlus once the bootloader is unlocked you lose functionality and it's not relockable. It also almost always has some software quirks and I most recently found out that the Xperia 5 I've been eyeing will after 2-3 years of use randomly break and show vertical green or pink lines.

There you have another "well" manufactured phone with external storage that becomes almost unusable faster than the storage degrades without the user being responsible for it.

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56. soulof+2R[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 02:25:30
>>kaba0+Jc
No, it's not unfair at all. Apple's gotten busted for this exact thing and had to shell out $500 million in damages.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/apple-to-start-paying-out-5...

> I really have a hard time with a realistic business model that would be significantly better.

Well this one might be good for business, but as you can see, it is extremely bad for the individual.

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57. ethbr1+AS[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 02:40:00
>>TylerE+OI
Do that many people need their phone to be waterproof rated?

I realize it's mandatory from a marketing perspective, but how often is it used?

Accidentally jumping in the pool/ocean/lake with your phone. But past that, I'm not often in submerged situations.

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58. hyperh+KS[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 02:41:52
>>kaba0+Jc
When a company is the first to be worth 1 trillion, maybe the business model is exploitative and should be forced to be worse.

They make so much money, why should their business model have to be any better?

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59. Dylan1+SU[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 02:59:34
>>admax8+BI
When you say "seen as", are you trying to imply that they're wrong? Because what you said can be true without them being wrong at all.

It makes perfect sense that five non-significant changes can add up to a significant change.

So the suggestion would be 1 or 2 releases instead, after more of the changes build up, instead of 5 releases.

Personally I think yearly is fine for manufacturers that only have a couple models. But they need to actually support things for a reasonable lifetime, and should be mocked for having frequent releases if they don't have a good support lifetime.

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60. p1neco+xV[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 03:05:32
>>chimer+Fn
I just don't buy flagship phones, you can get midrange stuff with removable micro sd, oled, >60hz screen etc. Sure the CPU isn't as fast but unless you're playing games it makes almost no difference.
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61. p1neco+KV[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 03:08:16
>>bpye+JL
Aren't the speed constraints on SD cards due to the controllerless single flash chip design rather than the connector format? Unless you also shoved an ssd controller on the SD Express card I can't see it being much of an improvement.
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62. jerome+7W[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 03:12:36
>>soulof+2R
The consequence of their upgrade was a slow down. But they didn’t slow it down just because they could. It was to prevent a phone with an old shitty battery to shut down in the middle of a task when there was still battery left. Better a slow down than just no phone at all.

And yes they didn’t communicate it, that’s why they got sued. But this problem was real.

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63. Dylan1+3X[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 03:22:59
>>eroppl+UK
> I think most people don't realize how slow SD cards are compared to conventional flash, too. When you put apps on a SD card on Android, it's always been dog slow. And you're at the mercy of the manufacturer to put a reasonably high-speed interface on it.

It's been a long, long time since I couldn't fit all the apps I wanted on the phone storage. My SD card is mainly for multimedia files, and it's plenty fast for that purpose.

The only performance limit I've hit in recent times was because it was exFAT, not because it was an SD card.

> There are options; NVMe and CFExpress cards exist. But they're large

Ignoring SD Express as a failure to launch, UHS SD cards can be plenty fast if they're designed to be. A hundred megabytes per second is not a significant bottleneck if individual IO operations are fast and it can do many of them.

Also there was that XFMEXPRESS form factor if manufacturers wanted to put an SSD socket into a phone. "card size is 18x14x1.4mm, slightly larger and thicker than a microSD card. It mounts into a latching socket that increases the footprint up to 22.2x17.75x2.2mm."

> and I doubt that people are going to pay that kind of money even when they currently pay it for onboard storage.

That's the real killer incentive, that you can charge huge amounts per terabyte and also force people to buy higher-end phones just to get the ability to buy more storage.

As opposed to the user spending $40 for a 512GB sandisk extreme, and giving the phone maker no extra money.

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64. serf+8Y[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 03:37:28
>>ethbr1+AS
I always sort of imagine it's a selling point less for the adventure aspect and more for the 'dropped in the toilet' angle.

i've yet to be so unfortunate, but i've met a lot of people with a 'I dropped my phone in the toilet so it's in a bag of rice' story.

let's hope they throw that rice out at the end of the process.

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65. 0_____+FY[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 03:44:44
>>ethbr1+AS
People routinely ruined phones via submersion or splashed water. I drowned a phone in my pocket while biking in a rainstorm as recently as 2018. You never hear about this anymore.
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66. scarfa+LY[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 03:45:23
>>ethbr1+AS
You really don’t think people accidentally jump in pool, drop their phone in a puddle, in the sink, in the toilet etc?
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67. scarfa+mZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 03:51:46
>>sanswo+Ir
Sure ARM based Mac laptops are great. But x86 laptops are still just as loud, hot with horrible battery life as they always have been.
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68. daniel+zZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 03:53:53
>>dmoy+dC
No, but given how stark the slowdown often is after an os update… I don’t think that’s what has happened
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69. scarfa+AZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 03:53:56
>>soulof+2R
Did you even read your own citation? Apple slowed down older phones when the battery degraded because the other choice was the phone would shut off.
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70. TylerE+b01[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 04:01:52
>>ethbr1+AS
Nothing is truly waterproof, but IP55 is really weaksauce by modern standards. Modern flagships are IP67 or even IP68.

I live in an area where's it very humid and rains a lot. My phones get wet, a lot, just due to nature. I had one die after I got caught in a massive squall line at an outdoor concert on what was supposed to be a sunny day.

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71. vxNsr+P11[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 04:24:58
>>ethbr1+IC
> That they aren't even interested in that model is because they're in a Faustian bargain with cellular carriers to drive device renewals and post-paid plans.

I like your idea but in the US at least most mobile carriers actually don't encourage yearly upgrades as they force you into a multiyear contract for your phone to get "the best deal". In fact, currently both verizon and AT&T have 30+ month payment plans for phones so you're locked into at least 2.5 years. consequently, most people hold on to their phone for 3 years now.

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72. vel0ci+631[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 04:42:48
>>Dylan1+3X
UHS SD can be fast in consecutive read and writes but I've rarely seen good performance in random I/O or lots of small actions.
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73. ako+h31[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 04:45:20
>>kimber+s7
Having a cadence helps improve quality by standardization and repetition. It’s just like with agile and scrum, the cadence improves quality, and releasing often reduces risks by making smaller changes.
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74. vel0ci+r31[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 04:47:42
>>ethbr1+AS
Funny you say this when I was just in a pretty bad rainstorm tonight and got absolutely soaked. I've lost a couple of portable devices getting drenched like that in the past but this time it was just the USB-C port wouldn't charge for an hour while it dried out.

So yeah I would have needed a new phone tomorrow if it wasn't for my phone being waterproof. This kind of stuff happens all the time. I've lost many things from water damage. So many people used to complain about Apple denying warranty claims from water damage from the device just being in a humid area for a long time, now that just doesn't happen.

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75. inejge+Q31[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 04:52:17
>>scarfa+LY
They do, but they were also doing it before the phones were routinely designed to be waterproof, and I don't recall an epidemic of water-related phone-killing incidents.
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76. kaba0+G51[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 05:17:17
>>jonpla+Ts
It’s just temporary - after you install a new update, every cache has to be regenerated in the background, so for a few days/week it will have a shitton of background tasks running.

Also, ios 17 likely is a bit buggy - I’m on 17.1 beta with a 12 pro max and I can say that the performance is back to how it used to be.

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77. kaba0+K51[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 05:18:40
>>soulof+2R
I have refuted that article like 1000 times already, if I ever see it again..
78. blacko+w61[view] [source] 2023-10-05 05:28:49
>>Taylor+(OP)
How real are the security risks? My wife is using Oneplus 5t about 6 years old. It doesn't feel slow, cam may not be greatest, but pretty good. Battery life is one day with mild usage. It is stuck on Android 10, but play services and apps are updated.
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79. blacko+G61[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 05:31:01
>>TylerE+OI
We had regular Samsung phones with waterproofing, all ports and replaceable battery. It is a myth that only sealed phones can be waterproof.
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80. kaba0+L61[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 05:33:00
>>Barrin+qu
In the meanwhile, I know plenty of my friends happily daily driving an iphone 8, a 6 years old device.
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81. kaba0+X61[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 05:35:39
>>dheera+rP
Moore’s law has never been about speed - and serial speed has been on a very slow increase rate year-after-year for more than a decade now. The current Microsoft Word can do a million times more things than 2.0.
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82. vel0ci+j71[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 05:40:11
>>dheera+rP
Why are you using Google Docs instead of Word 2.0 then?
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83. gtvwil+o71[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 05:40:28
>>vel0ci+Co
Ran a rpi for well > 1yr running Ubuntu server and 3cx off the SD card. Longest uptime was like 90+ days only dropped because my town regularly has power outages. Same card had been in use for a good year prior on another rpi doing a different function. Hasn't missed a beat. SanDisk gold colored one. It's now in another rpi...

Microsd's used to suck(had plenty fail years ago) but it seems like they have gotten pretty good these days.

84. winter+y71[view] [source] 2023-10-05 05:42:51
>>Taylor+(OP)
> Of course when it was new the camera opened quickly. And then Apple made their OS more heavy weight every year until my phone slowed to a crawl.

Realistically what exactly could it be doing more on startup, that would slow it down so much?

I wonder if there’s code that simply intentionally slows it down. Like the Camera app calculating the value of PI for some number of digits before opening up.

There would be a massive financial incentive to do something nefarious like this.

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85. waltew+N81[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 05:56:11
>>vel0ci+Co
I have an obsolete (with Lineage OS installed) Samsung smartphone with an SD-card. I use it for podcasts and audio books, as it has a jack, and I have a nice non-Bluetooth headphones that I wear most of the time of that listening time. I like to think my internal storage isn’t wearing over and over again, but the SD card, which I can super easily replace any time. Plus, I can replace it with something huge (like extra 128 GB or even more, what is supported) for very cheap. I cannot add extra 128 GB of storage to my iPhone, even if I’m willing to pay the premium. I have just one way: to sell my unit and buy another with more storage.
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86. guappa+qa1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 06:17:46
>>vel0ci+r31
I live in a very rainy city, I got soaked several times.

I never once lost a phone to water damage, despite most of the phones I've owned not being waterproof.

My pocket made of regular fabric seems to be sufficient protection.

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87. kaba0+va1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 06:18:47
>>dotanc+fq
Your bubble is showing again — only rich parents’ kids buy a new phone yearly.
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88. dlubar+La1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 06:23:29
>>scarfa+AZ
That's Apple's claim, yes.

But if they were genuinely just concerned about battery health, and not about their sales numbers, then why do the throttling covertly? Why not tell the user that throttling was happening, that it was related to power issues, and that they should consider a replacement battery?

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89. vladva+3c1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 06:40:48
>>winter+y71
There would be such an incentive, yes, and even more: set the number of digits to compute as proportional to the age of the model.

But haven't those anecdotes been debunked already? A counter-anecdote is my non-plus iphone 7 with whatever the latest ios it supports (15 something IIRC) that opens the camera as quickly as when it was new. Apart from Apple Maps, which never worked well for some reason, the apps I use don't lag. Google Maps is fine. My motorcycling mapping app (scenic) is fine. Lightroom is fine. Hell, even MS Teams works like it does on newer devices.

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90. thebru+oc1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 06:44:48
>>dlubar+La1
If they wanted a new sale, why not do nothing and let the phones reboot? Why only target individual handsets with degraded batteries? Why bring the phone back to full speed when the battery was changed? Why does the feature still exist?

The only thing that has changed is they now tell you if it’s happening.

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91. dotanc+2d1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 06:50:58
>>kaba0+va1
This is not Reddit, you do not need to prefix comments with personal attacks. Nor is karma farmed here by insinuating that you are poor, confused about your gender, or had abusive parents.

If by "bubble" you mean my family, nobody but the eight year old has seen a new phone since before the first COVID lockdowns. And the phones that my children use were are purchased with money they earned themselves - including the eight year old. He decided at six that he wants a phone, and saved for two years to buy one - not a grain of which was aquired through his parents.

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92. aeriqu+Gg1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 07:36:26
>>ethbr1+5E
I hold no love for Apple but the phone I used the longest was my iPhone 3GS. I think 5 years or so but only because it was jailbroken. (Thanks saurik!) Otherwise it would have been half as useful (or secure since I got fixes to exploits faster than Apple made then).

The initial SailfishOS phone from Jolla was supported for 7+ years and was also a really nice experience.

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93. dlubar+Qg1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 07:37:52
>>thebru+oc1
> why not do nothing and let the phones reboot

Assuming for the moment that reboots were a serious concern, and not just a fabricated excuse... it's better for Apple's reputation for old phones to be slow than to be flaky.

With the former, people were assuming that Apple's shiny new OS required state-of-the-art hardware to run smoothly. It just appeared as if technology was advancing rapidly, and one had to buy the latest iPhone every year or two to keep up.

With the latter, there would be noone to blame but Apple, and they would develop a reputation for unreliable hardware, like Samsung or worse.

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94. saiya-+2h1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 07:40:06
>>guappa+qa1
my old Samsung Galaxy s2 died when tripping around Australia, just by being in the car overnight (where I was sleeping too). Apparently enough humidity that in the morning it was dead, board fried up
95. rimliu+7h1[view] [source] 2023-10-05 07:40:50
>>Taylor+(OP)
So you think, when someone upgrades their phone they throw perfectly working "old" phone into trash?
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96. blkhaw+Kh1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 07:48:51
>>vel0ci+631
It doesn't have to be that way. Its entirely feasible to make a microsd card with a better controller and some ram buffer for fast wear leveling. The best we see today is some mild tuning for IO in A1 and A2 cards.

You have to remember that a current microsd cards is just a general purpose micro-controller and some (probably SPI) flash in a plastic case.

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97. saagar+Ti1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 07:58:54
>>winter+y71
Opening the Camera app on iPhone is one of the most demanding tasks it can possibly do. Doing it and doing it fast means powering up the image sensor and its supporting hardware (ISP, ML hardware, etc.) and immediately terminating all non-essential tasks on the device so it can dedicate it to this.

If you don’t believe me, there are paths hardcoded in the kernel (I’m not joking: https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Aapple-oss-distributions%2...) to very quickly reclaim memory for Camera to launch.

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98. thebru+tk1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 08:12:43
>>dlubar+Qg1
> Assuming for the moment that reboots were a serious concern

They still are. As a battery ages the internal resistance increases. This leads to brown-outs under high current. This isn’t unique to Apple, it’s just how batteries work.

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99. gambit+zl1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 08:24:08
>>ako+h31
>> It’s just like with agile and scrum, the cadence improves quality

In my experience of years working in agile and scrum methodologies all cadence does is it makes developers release unfinished code to tick boxes and show that they are productive every sprint.

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100. prmous+Vl1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 08:28:16
>>inejge+Q31
you don't mind so much when it is a 50$ phone, a bit more on a 1100$ one. Not that I understand why anyone would pay more than 250$ in a smartphone really.
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101. dieort+Zl1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 08:28:47
>>saagar+Ti1
But it also did all that when new, and the camera still opened fast.
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102. ryanjs+dm1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 08:30:02
>>dotanc+2d1
Genuinely curious - how did your 6-8 year old earn an income that didn't come from his parents?
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103. dieort+om1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 08:31:38
>>dotanc+2d1
Maybe having a phone at six is normal now but it sounds crazy to me
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104. Tom4ha+rm1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 08:31:46
>>blacko+w61
This how it works or most people in the world. They get a phone and they change it only when they are forced to (hardware failure, some app they absolutely need stops working etc.). The group of people changing phones because they are no longer supported with security fixes is very small.

This is beyond stupid how fucked up the phone market is. I'm still using my 2008 laptop with newest LTS (x)Ubuntu, but my 2018 Android phone lost official support in 2020... Thanks to that, now I have iPhone (longer support) and Fairphone 5 (I like how they try to upstream everything for this phone and promise really long support).

About your question: Should be fine. As long as browser is up-to-date, she doesn't connect to unknown WiFi networks/Bluetooth devices and she is not targeted. The easiest security fix is to not have anything worth anything on the phone :D

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105. prmous+Hm1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 08:34:01
>>dotanc+2d1
I don't see that as a personal attack. It is factual. No teenager - except the richest ones - can afford buying a new smartphone every year, neither do their parents.

And most of those that can afford it would still want to buy other things instead when they already have one, which means only the richest of the richest ones really do that.

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106. dagesh+uo1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 08:50:24
>>guappa+qa1
I have, phone in the pocket of my rainjacket, got caught in a serious downpour, water got into the pocket and because it was a rain jacket stayed there to the point it was sodden.

Screen on the phone died.

I see the point of waterproofing phones after that.

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107. saagar+8p1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 08:55:15
>>dieort+Zl1
There’s a lot more going on in the background on your phone now.
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108. pjmlp+3q1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 09:06:14
>>sanswo+1w
Borland IDEs were definitly better than Notepad.
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109. sanswo+Bs1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 09:32:43
>>pjmlp+3q1
The editor did nothing more than notepad does today and the IDE at least back when I was using it was basically just a compiler, debugger with basic inspection window and stepping and a make system. It wasn't doing realtime formatting of your code, inspection for errors, referencing to other parts of code, autocompletion, syntax highlighting, etc.
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110. redeem+Pt1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 09:48:01
>>sanswo+DK
applets were largely unused and flash was mostly used for ads, neither of which were even remotely as huge and gross as the chromium codebase.

nowadays you have many "desktop" applications bundling their own special build of chrome just because developers are so lazy(and I'd say many severely lacking critical judgement) they feel like taking their webapp and deploying as a "desktop" application.

The situation is infinitely much worse than it was in 1995.

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111. ahartm+0u1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 09:50:03
>>scarfa+mZ
Hyperbole much?

2003 x86 laptop: 1-2h battery life, fan ~always on, annoying tonal fan noise

2023 x86 laptop: 6-10h battery life, fan off in idle, some kind of wide spectrum whooshing sound when on

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112. codeth+Tu1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 09:59:58
>>vel0ci+Ti
Interesting, finally I have an idea of why my phones have always gotten slower over time. Is there a way to measure error rates and/or average storage latency on my (Android) phone somehow?
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113. light_+jv1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 10:05:26
>>dghlsa+DL
Yeah. Don't do that.

This is not a replacement for a SPOT device. It's a backup. You might need to move around reportedly, point it very carefully to find a satellite, coverage isn't great, even minimal tree cover is a problem, etc. Plenty of cases where a SPOT device would be a life saver and where this would not.

I too would like to ditch mine. But I'd rather be alive in a real emergency than die because I broke my leg and can't walk around in a circle pointing the phone right.

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114. pjmlp+pv1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 10:06:55
>>sanswo+Bs1
Stuck in MS-DOS?

As someone that used all their products from MS-DOS, through Windows 3.x days up to switching to Visual C++ 6.0, I clearly remeber code completion, syntax highlighting and macros, three features that Notepad isn't capable of.

As easily proven, by reading the manuals available in Bitsavers.

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115. lencas+Gw1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 10:18:53
>>vel0ci+Ti
is there something like crystaldiskinfo for iOS?
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116. nicobu+fx1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 10:26:14
>>ethbr1+AS
> Accidentally jumping in the pool/ocean/lake with your phone. But past that, I'm not often in submerged situations.

This is the main use case, but it's not to be dismissed considering this is a very common cause of phone failure. If this doubles the lifespan of your phone then it effectively ~halves the cost. Which is a big deal when phones are as expensive as they are.

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117. rytis+Yx1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 10:31:56
>>jonpla+Ts
Curiously, I noticed people here mention that camera on older iPhones is taking ages to open. I'm on iPhone7, battery never replaced ("battery health: significantly degraded" as reported by iOS), so goes from 100% to 10% in about 12 hrs with "normal" use. However, camera opens just fine.
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118. sanswo+ty1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 10:37:46
>>pjmlp+pv1
Yeah looks like you're right about at least the syntax highlighting and macros, I can't find any reference to Borland doing code completion back then and what I did find was people from much later complaining that it'd take up to 5 seconds to return suggestions, I used it around 4.5 and really don't remember any of those features though. I guess it was almost 30 years ago now though and I was mostly just interested in making the asteroids do weird things.

So replace Notepad with Notepad++ in my previous comments. There are definitely fast editors that do the same thing as Borland editors did back then the ones like VSC do a whole lot more and support a whole lot more.

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119. scarfa+Iz1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 10:52:01
>>ahartm+0u1
You realize how bad 6 hour battery life is right compared to the MacBook Air?

And my work Microsoft Surface laptop fan never shuts off.

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120. scarfa+NA1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 11:02:43
>>prmous+Vl1
Well since even the average Android phone’s selling price is $285 the last time I checked, maybe it says more about your lack of insight than anything else?
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121. pjmlp+JC1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 11:21:54
>>sanswo+ty1
Besides moving goalposts, Notepad++ still isn't on the same league as Borland's IDEs.
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122. dotanc+1F1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 11:40:36
>>ryanjs+dm1
He walks smaller dogs and sells drinks that he makes at the football field near the house. The neighbour lets him pick lemons to sweeten the drinks. He worked for two years to buy the absolute least expensive phone available. I did buy him a case as a gift for achieving his goal, though: $3 on Aliexpress.

I should mention that he also managed to buy two goldfish during this time - also with his own money. So he learned very well to budget, and that each thing that he buys along the way pushed back his goal.

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123. prmous+UF1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 11:47:09
>>scarfa+NA1
I don't know, I have had company issued high end phones and apart from better camera quality[1] these devices weren't doing things significantly better than my personal 240$ smartphone.

Also, generally people spend an awful lot of money on things out of vanity and social pressure, regardless of their needs and if it is a good decision. Look at new cars prices and how most vehicles purchases are usually overkill for everyone. The most sold car in the US are the Ford F series , Chevy Silverado and Dodge Ram trucks before a number of high end SUV. Sure people are free to buy whatever they want but a Honda Fit would be enough for large majority of them and be a smarter financial decision[2]. They mostly do it because they can, not because they need.

[1] which has become fairly decent for anyone accross all ranges in the last few years.

[2] I am not sure it is still sold in the US but I could have chosen another example of a smaller and more affordable vehicle.

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124. dotanc+nI1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 12:05:01
>>prmous+Hm1
The "attack" was deciding that I live on a bubble of rich parents. In fact, my own mother wouldn't be hungry during dinner many evenings while we were growing up... only years later did I realize why.
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125. dotanc+NI1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 12:07:48
>>dieort+om1
He got the phone at eight, but in general I agree with you.

As a father, I see the phone as an opportunity to teach limits from an early age. And wow, does he test those limits! In retrospect, it is better that him and I are going through this testing phase at eight, rather than in the rebellious teenage years.

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126. goosed+9L1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 12:28:07
>>scarfa+Iz1
And my work x86 Thinkpad fan rarely spins up and when it does it's way quieter than my Intel MBP ever was. Also gets 8 hours battery life web browsing which is good enough.

It's almost like there's a spectrum of PCs.

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127. bwooce+hQ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 12:58:41
>>ethbr1+AS
After working wireless retail in the early '00s, I will always choose a phone with a high IP rating. Other scenarios I've seen - Phone pushed into sink without realizing while doing dishes and walking away for an hour long phone call, parked convertible with phone in the cupholder, boob sweat, working in a greenhouse going in and out of air conditioning, leaving on a picnic table overnight while camping, water bottle leaking in purse, etc. Also there's utility in feeling confident the phone can survive if you need to wash syrup, baby food, sticky bar residue, etc off it.
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128. azzent+fV1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 13:27:00
>>codeth+Tu1
eMMC usually has csd and ext_csd registers that tells information regarding wear level and such. It's easy to access these from Linux, but not sure how we would do it on Android.
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129. _chu1+TX1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 13:42:22
>>prmous+Hm1
Have you ever heard of financing for things like that? Great way to get people to get stocked up on things they can't actually afford.
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130. scarfa+qY1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 13:45:11
>>goosed+9L1
I never said that x86 MacBooks didn’t suck.

My former work 16 inch MacBook Pro could easily make it through a day and half of decently heavy work and conference calls doing presentations over Chime (how do you say where you worked without saying where you worked) on battery when on site at a customer. Some of their team couldn’t make it.

My personal MacBook Air (M2) can make it 16+ hours with a relative light workload and there is no fan.

Why would I ever in 2023 still put up with a heavy, loud, low battery life laptop when I could get an M1 Air for less than $1000?

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131. _chu1+DY1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 13:45:53
>>dieort+om1
I'm 15 and I don't even want a phone, this thing is a goddamn headache, portable little advertisement device hurdling me with ads even when I run GrapheneOS and it depresses me mine (pixel 5a) is the last that will ever be made with a headphone jack, which I literally rely on, earbuds don't need a battery. I use it because it's what I can get and I didn't make my financial decision on it.
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132. _chu1+3Z1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 13:48:04
>>Clent+qO
The mistake was giving the general public pocket computers with always on connections and acting like they wouldn't be stupid with them or turn them into status symbols
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133. scarfa+BZ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 13:51:01
>>prmous+UF1
Yes I’m sure 60% of Americans care about “social pressure” enough to buy a different phone. Trust me, my 80 year old mother doesn’t care about what TikTok influencers think.

Low end Android phones just plain suck when it comes to performance and battery life. Not to mention they rarely get operating system updates.

If you did force me to buy an Android phone, it would be the Pixel.

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134. apetre+KZ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 13:51:47
>>bwooce+hQ1
> Phone pushed into sink without realizing while doing dishes and walking away for an hour long phone call

How did they talk on their phone for an hour without realizing their phone was underwater?

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135. prmous+P02[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 13:56:47
>>_chu1+TX1
There are so many things you can finance at the same time until it isn't sustainable anymore.
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136. eroppl+w12[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 13:59:16
>>Dylan1+3X
> Ignoring SD Express as a failure to launch, UHS SD cards can be plenty fast if they're designed to be. A hundred megabytes per second is not a significant bottleneck if individual IO operations are fast and it can do many of them.

As mentioned, random I/O tends to fail, but the other tradeoff here is that fast microSD card slots tend to get extremely hot. Not necessarily "failure" hot (stuff like the ROG had issues from other parts), but uncomfortable to hold, depending on where the thing is going to go.

> As opposed to the user spending $40 for a 512GB sandisk extreme, and giving the phone maker no extra money.

The thing is, price anchoring is a thing, and people are going to look at a phone that costs $400 and needs a $40 Extra Thing and a $500 phone and go "the latter is easier".

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137. eroppl+G12[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 13:59:44
>>blkhaw+Kh1
It doesn't have to, but it is, and an effort like this is going to be off-the-shelf if it ever exists at all.
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138. vetina+x32[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 14:10:26
>>sanswo+Ir
You reminded me the 90's joke: "What is Windows? An 386 emulator for Pentium".
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139. vel0ci+742[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 14:13:30
>>daniel+zZ
An OS update does a lot of writes though. Its downloading a several gig file, unpacking lots of tiny files, shuffling them all around etc. Its probably one of the most disk intensive things a phone will do.

And in fact installing the first big OS update was one of the key points on the Nexus 7 that showcased its incredibly fragile storage. So we've definitely seen this happen in the past specifically with OS updates being the straw that killed the camel's back in flash storage performance.

I've experienced it on devices before as well. Play around flashing different ROMs on Android, eventually each flash keeps getting a little slower and a little slower, and suddenly just copying files directly off USB gets incredibly slow and the device becomes nearly unusable. I've seen it happen on a few different devices.

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140. vetina+K42[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 14:17:33
>>pjmlp+pv1
Turbo Pascal 7 did syntax highlighting, as well as source-level debugging. That was on top of nice-to-have features like auto-indenting.

It was a DOS, Turbo Vision application.

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141. prmous+P52[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 14:22:25
>>scarfa+BZ1
> Trust me, my 80 year old mother doesn’t care about what TikTok influencers think.

nor does she care about operating system updates.

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142. vel0ci+C72[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 14:31:44
>>apetre+KZ1
> in the early '00s

The customer was probably talking on their landline phone for the hour.

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143. dghlsa+T72[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 14:33:14
>>light_+jv1
My SPOT has a pretty significant failure rate at getting tracking messages out (~20% of my tracking dots are unsuccessful), and has no feedback mechanism to indicate whether it was successfully sent. Unless emergency messages are sent using a different technique than tracking messages I’m not sure I trust the spot much either.
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144. ryanjs+U82[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 14:38:44
>>dotanc+1F1
Really cool!
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145. scarfa+uh2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 15:18:05
>>prmous+P52
Actually she does. Once she saw that an old computer running an old version of Windows was no longer going to get updates, she stopped using it. She would be just as cautious about a phone that didn’t get updates
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146. starkp+fv2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 16:21:33
>>azzent+fV1
You can build/install mmc-utils on the device (even from Google's repo,[1] if outdated) but can't access the storage device paths without root. If you're on a custom ROM, the mmc command might even be part of it.

1: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/external/mmc-utils...

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147. kimber+ZB2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 16:53:32
>>jen20+1L
It absolutely does go down if you're not making payments on a phone
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148. kimber+iC2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 16:55:03
>>Clent+qO
I worked for a verizon reseller in 2014-2015 and 2 year contracts were not very common by the time I left. 0% loans on 2 year periods were big by then. Functionally I don't think "normal" people really see a big difference.
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149. Dylan1+ED2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 17:00:41
>>eroppl+w12
> The thing is, price anchoring is a thing, and people are going to look at a phone that costs $400 and needs a $40 Extra Thing and a $500 phone and go "the latter is easier".

Oh definitely. I would too. I dream of the price being only $200/TB.

The biggest storage upgrade for a normal iPhone is +384GB for $300 (Oof). If you upgrade to the Max model you can get +768GB for $400.

A Galaxy S23 can get +128GB for $60, a Galaxy S23+ can get +256GB for $120, and a Galaxy S23 Ultra can get +768GB for $420.

A Pixel 8 can get +128GB for $60, and a Pixel 8 Pro can get +896GB for $400.

If you include the price increase of better base models, to get access to bigger options, then $700/TB is a good ballpark figure.

I think this pricing is a little bit better than when I last looked, but it's still very bad.

The availability of >512GB is growing but still flaky and usually requires extra expensive base models. While in comparison microsd has had cheap 1TB for a good while, and 1.5TB for $150 becomes available later this month.

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150. freedo+IF2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 17:11:15
>>TeMPOr+DC
Phones could ship with a good SD card which will get the vast majority of consumers to end-of-useful-life for their device. At that point if a user replaces it with crap, it's kind of on them. Similar to how cell phone chargers are now.
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151. entrop+k93[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 19:22:51
>>vel0ci+Ti
Don't be surprised if your latest 'update' is a 'downdate' in disguise. IE it's purposely designed to go slower when the maker has decided that it's time for you to upgrade your device.
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152. ngfgnb+6l4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-06 06:15:04
>>vel0ci+Co
all modern stern pinball machines (everything spike/spike ii, from 2015 on) boot linux on sd card
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153. 8n4vid+Fn4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-06 06:37:09
>>rimliu+7h1
Yes. I have drawers full of them which I have no use for and will likely be thrown out.
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154. haspok+qq4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-06 07:09:13
>>blacko+w61
I have the same phone, and the main culprit is the connectors. The audio jack connector has gone a few years ago, now the USB-C is getting worse - I need to sometimes wiggle the cable to connect the charger. If I use a headphone then the smallest motion might disconnect it. This is the only reason why I'm considering getting a new phone - battery is still around 75% capacity (after 6 years of daily use!), otherwise still performant enough, runs any apps I use without a problem.
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155. ascagn+0J5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-06 16:33:51
>>TeMPOr+DC
I've never had an RPi corrupt an SD card, but I had one (running pi-hole) wear out a card over the course of about six months. It was pretty easy to get everything back up and running (it needed a new card with the most recent version of the default OS package), and I was able to resolve the situation long-term by using log2ram to space out writes to the SD card (at the risk of losing a day's worth of logs).
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156. smolde+lZ5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-06 18:01:38
>>scarfa+qY1
My M1 Macbook Air was lucky to make it 6 hours with Docker running in the background. If I was editing text I could get maybe 10-12 hours. For my money, there are lots of machines that would run cooler and more efficiently.

> Why would I ever in 2023 still put up with a heavy, loud, low battery life laptop when I could get an M1 Air for less than $1000?

Because your workload isn't compatible with MacOS, and Apple makes no effort to remedy it at a software-level? Docker should not be more energy efficient on Windows than it is on Mac... and that's really just the tip of the incompatibility iceberg. Unless your workload is explicitly compatible with ARM, it probably Just Works better on x86.

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157. scarfa+Ka6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-06 18:51:21
>>smolde+lZ5
So how long does you Windows laptop battery last when running Docker? How loud do the fans get?
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158. smolde+Yj6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-06 19:38:15
>>scarfa+Ka6
It hovered around 40c, about the same as my Macbook Air. Fans kicked on at 45c, so idling was silent (but working wasn't).

The real killer-app for me was just switching to Linux as my base OS. I can leave containers idling while watching YouTube at a cool 27c internally. I'm using a 6-7 year old T460s, but honestly I feel like I could get away with even weaker hardware if I wanted. A Macbook Air running Linux might be a candidate if I didn't need to wait for basic functionality to get reverse-engineered. As-is though, you can count me among the people who doesn't quite need an upgrade yet.

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159. soulof+as7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-07 06:54:35
>>thebru+tk1
The whole discussion is incredibly moot, because Apple should be shipping devices with more easily replaced batteries.
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160. thebru+bB7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-07 08:51:33
>>soulof+as7
The degradation would still happen. You want your car to go into limp home mode even if the part that failed is replaceable.
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161. soulof+zK7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-07 11:09:57
>>thebru+bB7
This issue would still have drastically different framing if the given reason was true and users had the freedom to easily replace batteries in old devices, as well as OS-level warning pop-ups which let the user know that it's time to replace a battery and that their phone will be slower until they do.

Anything less is deceptive and anti-user.

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162. thebru+yS7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-07 12:38:49
>>soulof+zK7
If it was true? All the evidence supports it. My wife’s phone was throttled and mine wasn’t. Replacing degraded batteries brought devices back to full speed. How can you draw any other conclusions?

The only thing they have changed is that they now have the OS level pop ups, the feature still exists.

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163. soulof+3E9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-08 05:10:37
>>thebru+yS7
It's quite easy to draw the conclusion that other alternatives were considered such as an easily-replaced battery, but Apple's management decided on a course of action which was plausible enough to be accepted without much further questioning, and wouldn't give the user back any freedoms, and would ultimately lead to more phone sales.
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164. thebru+AF9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-08 05:31:59
>>soulof+3E9
I don’t subscribe to that at all. I see other manufacturers dropping support for their phones after one or two years and I see apple supporting them for a long time. They want to sell services and they want you to have a working phone to use them.

Apple get phone sales from me because of this stance.

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