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1. tap-sn+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-10-04 21:16:22
> People on average change their phones every 3 years

People in my circles seem to use their phones for 6-7 years atleast.

replies(2): >>kimber+i3 >>dotanc+sa
2. kimber+i3[view] [source] 2023-10-04 21:33:14
>>tap-sn+(OP)
This figure sourcing gallup has nearly half of Americans replacing their phone "as soon as their carrier allows it": https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/07/15/how-often-...
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3. dotanc+sa[view] [source] 2023-10-04 22:16:39
>>tap-sn+(OP)
And those people are the reason that the average is three years, instead of one year like the teenagers do.
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4. jen20+ev[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 01:20:08
>>kimber+i3
Of course - it's not like the monthly bill becomes less if you have a phone taken from a carrier, so you should change it out immediately.
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5. Clent+Dy[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 01:52:24
>>kimber+i3
That article is from 2018. 2 Year Contracts were still a thing back then. The contract included a hidden fee that covered the cost of the device spread out over the length of the contract.

That is all gone now. Carriers have post-paid plans where the monthly device cost varies based on device. These are 0% interest loans from the carrier. At the same time, people have started holding their phones longer. Renewal periods when to 30 months, then 36 months.

Some people will never be happy but cellphone customers are never happy.

Why can't people just enjoy our pocket computers with their always on connections?

replies(2): >>_chu1+gJ1 >>kimber+vm2
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6. kaba0+IU[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 06:18:47
>>dotanc+sa
Your bubble is showing again — only rich parents’ kids buy a new phone yearly.
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7. dotanc+fX[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 06:50:58
>>kaba0+IU
This is not Reddit, you do not need to prefix comments with personal attacks. Nor is karma farmed here by insinuating that you are poor, confused about your gender, or had abusive parents.

If by "bubble" you mean my family, nobody but the eight year old has seen a new phone since before the first COVID lockdowns. And the phones that my children use were are purchased with money they earned themselves - including the eight year old. He decided at six that he wants a phone, and saved for two years to buy one - not a grain of which was aquired through his parents.

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8. ryanjs+q61[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 08:30:02
>>dotanc+fX
Genuinely curious - how did your 6-8 year old earn an income that didn't come from his parents?
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9. dieort+B61[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 08:31:38
>>dotanc+fX
Maybe having a phone at six is normal now but it sounds crazy to me
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10. prmous+U61[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 08:34:01
>>dotanc+fX
I don't see that as a personal attack. It is factual. No teenager - except the richest ones - can afford buying a new smartphone every year, neither do their parents.

And most of those that can afford it would still want to buy other things instead when they already have one, which means only the richest of the richest ones really do that.

replies(2): >>dotanc+As1 >>_chu1+6I1
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11. dotanc+ep1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 11:40:36
>>ryanjs+q61
He walks smaller dogs and sells drinks that he makes at the football field near the house. The neighbour lets him pick lemons to sweeten the drinks. He worked for two years to buy the absolute least expensive phone available. I did buy him a case as a gift for achieving his goal, though: $3 on Aliexpress.

I should mention that he also managed to buy two goldfish during this time - also with his own money. So he learned very well to budget, and that each thing that he buys along the way pushed back his goal.

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12. dotanc+As1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 12:05:01
>>prmous+U61
The "attack" was deciding that I live on a bubble of rich parents. In fact, my own mother wouldn't be hungry during dinner many evenings while we were growing up... only years later did I realize why.
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13. dotanc+0t1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 12:07:48
>>dieort+B61
He got the phone at eight, but in general I agree with you.

As a father, I see the phone as an opportunity to teach limits from an early age. And wow, does he test those limits! In retrospect, it is better that him and I are going through this testing phase at eight, rather than in the rebellious teenage years.

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14. _chu1+6I1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 13:42:22
>>prmous+U61
Have you ever heard of financing for things like that? Great way to get people to get stocked up on things they can't actually afford.
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15. _chu1+QI1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 13:45:53
>>dieort+B61
I'm 15 and I don't even want a phone, this thing is a goddamn headache, portable little advertisement device hurdling me with ads even when I run GrapheneOS and it depresses me mine (pixel 5a) is the last that will ever be made with a headphone jack, which I literally rely on, earbuds don't need a battery. I use it because it's what I can get and I didn't make my financial decision on it.
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16. _chu1+gJ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 13:48:04
>>Clent+Dy
The mistake was giving the general public pocket computers with always on connections and acting like they wouldn't be stupid with them or turn them into status symbols
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17. prmous+2L1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 13:56:47
>>_chu1+6I1
There are so many things you can finance at the same time until it isn't sustainable anymore.
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18. ryanjs+7T1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 14:38:44
>>dotanc+ep1
Really cool!
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19. kimber+cm2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 16:53:32
>>jen20+ev
It absolutely does go down if you're not making payments on a phone
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20. kimber+vm2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 16:55:03
>>Clent+Dy
I worked for a verizon reseller in 2014-2015 and 2 year contracts were not very common by the time I left. 0% loans on 2 year periods were big by then. Functionally I don't think "normal" people really see a big difference.
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