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1. kimber+T71[view] [source] 2023-10-04 19:58:30
>>alphab+(OP)
It's starting to feel silly, having a yearly release cycle for smartphones. So much of this product page is focused on new software functions that may have some vague relationship with the slightly upgraded hardware, but that could mostly be released to existing phones. Every new iPhone, Pixel, or Samsung phone basically claims the camera is marginally better and hey, look at these software features that have very little to do with the hardware and should not fundamentally be a reason to upgrade to this phone.

There is so much time, effort, and physical waste that is generated by slightly redesigning phones every year purely for the sake of making sales (as opposed to meaningful improvement upon the existing design or introduction of a new hardware feature). Think not only of people upgrading for the sake of it, but all of the cases, screen protectors, and other assorted accessories cast in plastic for previous models that are garbage now.

It would be nice if we could just space these things out to 5 years or so now, because that's probably how long it takes for anything to change enough to justify a new model.

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2. Taylor+qa1[view] [source] 2023-10-04 20:07:44
>>kimber+T71
It's funny because if they did not release a new phone every year, the old phones would be useful for longer. I recently had to replace my iPhone 7s plus because it was getting so slow I sometimes could not get the camera to open as it loaded the system down too much. This was despite the fact that the system said my battery was not degraded (it had been replaced with Apple Care a couple of times).

Of course when it was new the camera opened quickly. And then Apple made their OS more heavy weight every year until my phone slowed to a crawl.

And faster phones are nice, but I think it is worth considering how valuable that really is to us as users and a society, especially if the process involves making loads and loads of ewaste and consuming tons of new resources, and all the emissions their mining and transport involves, when we could simply keep our software slim and our old devices functional.

And the big companies will never do this. Do we need to force them to allow open software to run on these devices, so that clean builds can be patched and maintained when the company over bloats them or abandons them?

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3. kaba0+9n1[view] [source] 2023-10-04 21:00:55
>>Taylor+qa1
> And then Apple made their OS more heavy weight every year until my phone slowed to a crawl.

I mean, it is a bit unfair against Apple - some of the reason behind the OS getting more heavyweight is actually backporting new features in 7 year’s distance, many which actually has dedicated hardware in case of the more modern lineup.

Also, there is a big aspect which is independent of Apple: every app is getting more and more heavy, the same phone now has to open a 500MB facebook app, not a 70MB one (just random numbers).

Also, the whole “yearly replacement” thing is just.. not an actual thing. People on average change their phones every 3 years, where the accumulated small improvements do add up. But everyone is at a different point in the cycle, so it absolutely makes sense. Add to it how apple devices hold their value to an insane degree, often living 2nd-3rd lives, and one would be really hard-pressed to actually pinpoint apple as a threat against our planet - compared to cheap androids that are barely good for a single year due to instantly obsolete software, has no resale value whatsoever, and are absolutely single-use.

I am not a proponent of extreme capitalism/libertarianism, but I really have a hard time with a realistic business model that would be significantly better.

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4. soulof+s12[view] [source] 2023-10-05 02:25:30
>>kaba0+9n1
No, it's not unfair at all. Apple's gotten busted for this exact thing and had to shell out $500 million in damages.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/apple-to-start-paying-out-5...

> I really have a hard time with a realistic business model that would be significantly better.

Well this one might be good for business, but as you can see, it is extremely bad for the individual.

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5. scarfa+0a2[view] [source] 2023-10-05 03:53:56
>>soulof+s12
Did you even read your own citation? Apple slowed down older phones when the battery degraded because the other choice was the phone would shut off.
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6. dlubar+bl2[view] [source] 2023-10-05 06:23:29
>>scarfa+0a2
That's Apple's claim, yes.

But if they were genuinely just concerned about battery health, and not about their sales numbers, then why do the throttling covertly? Why not tell the user that throttling was happening, that it was related to power issues, and that they should consider a replacement battery?

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7. thebru+Om2[view] [source] 2023-10-05 06:44:48
>>dlubar+bl2
If they wanted a new sale, why not do nothing and let the phones reboot? Why only target individual handsets with degraded batteries? Why bring the phone back to full speed when the battery was changed? Why does the feature still exist?

The only thing that has changed is they now tell you if it’s happening.

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8. dlubar+gr2[view] [source] 2023-10-05 07:37:52
>>thebru+Om2
> why not do nothing and let the phones reboot

Assuming for the moment that reboots were a serious concern, and not just a fabricated excuse... it's better for Apple's reputation for old phones to be slow than to be flaky.

With the former, people were assuming that Apple's shiny new OS required state-of-the-art hardware to run smoothly. It just appeared as if technology was advancing rapidly, and one had to buy the latest iPhone every year or two to keep up.

With the latter, there would be noone to blame but Apple, and they would develop a reputation for unreliable hardware, like Samsung or worse.

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9. thebru+Tu2[view] [source] 2023-10-05 08:12:43
>>dlubar+gr2
> Assuming for the moment that reboots were a serious concern

They still are. As a battery ages the internal resistance increases. This leads to brown-outs under high current. This isn’t unique to Apple, it’s just how batteries work.

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10. soulof+AC8[view] [source] 2023-10-07 06:54:35
>>thebru+Tu2
The whole discussion is incredibly moot, because Apple should be shipping devices with more easily replaced batteries.
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11. thebru+BL8[view] [source] 2023-10-07 08:51:33
>>soulof+AC8
The degradation would still happen. You want your car to go into limp home mode even if the part that failed is replaceable.
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