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1. frob+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-06-27 13:30:53
Windows is just full of hostile, anti-user patterns these days. I've considered building a windows box just to have a gaming rig multiple times over the last few years, but every time an article like this or their crusade against Chrome reminds me that Bill Gates is still the same anti-trust monster he was in the 90s.
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2. postal+B[view] [source] 2023-06-27 13:34:18
>>frob+(OP)
Well at least Microsoft allows you to install other browsers. Apple only allows skins for their mobile browser.
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3. jeltz+y1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 13:38:16
>>postal+B
That is on iOS, on MacOS they allow other browsers and respect the systemwide defaults.

Personally I use Linux unless forced to use something else by my employer.

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4. Analem+u3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 13:45:38
>>jeltz+y1
> That is on iOS, on MacOS they allow other browsers and respect the systemwide defaults.

Why is that in any way exonerating? Most people do most of their actual computing on their phones now, it is not an irrelevant toy platform. We should be more, not less, hard on Apple than Microsoft for pulling this shit on their mobile platform.

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5. wongar+m4[view] [source] 2023-06-27 13:49:28
>>frob+(OP)
Google has an equally annoying crusade against anything that isn't Chrome. Visit google.com with Edge (on desktop) and you immediately get a popup on the top right "Google recommends using Chrome. Built for Windows. Easily search on Google with the fast, secure browser". As if there was any material difference between the browsers.

We need a comeback of antitrust enforcement with teeth to get both Microsoft and Google to do honest competition, instead of backhanded methods.

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6. ration+N4[view] [source] 2023-06-27 13:50:57
>>frob+(OP)
Is Bill Gates still involved with Microsoft, I thought he retired to run his foundation?
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7. moss2+35[view] [source] 2023-06-27 13:51:52
>>frob+(OP)
You don't need Windows for gaming any more. Ubuntu 22.04 comes with graphics drivers. Steam has Steam Play and Lutris has a huge library of install scripts, so everything is handled for you.

The one thing you will need to do occasionally is experiment with different Wine distributions. This means you will need to right click on your game and select the distribution from a drop-down box. Exhausting, I know.

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8. cresha+06[view] [source] 2023-06-27 13:56:24
>>frob+(OP)
Gaming on Linux is a joy these days. Less driver bugs than in Win10/11 in my experience.
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9. jjoona+56[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 13:56:34
>>moss2+35
Did linux eventually get HDR support or is it still one (of many) sacrifices you make to game on linux?
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10. kjells+l6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 13:57:39
>>ration+N4
He's completely gone from Microsoft. To invoke Gates now on a anti-Microsoft screed would be missing the point. If anyone has beef with Microsoft about Windows, their ire is better directed at Panos Panay and Satya Nadella.
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11. cresha+67[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:00:22
>>jjoona+56
It's far from being ready, but as usually Valve is making the most progress: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/HDR_monitor_support
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12. happym+R7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:03:42
>>jjoona+56
HDR is currently experimental.

Red Hat is working on getting it integrated, and Valve have it in their display manager.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/HDR_monitor_support

But for general users, out of the box, no.

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13. trampi+t8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:06:26
>>jeltz+y1
is it? tell me how to configure the play button on the keyboard to open spotify instead of apple music :)
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14. goosed+S8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:08:05
>>wongar+m4
I like that they do that for Windows for ARM too (admittedly niche) but can't be bothered to produce a native ARM Windows port of Chrome (you can get Chromium though) so the experience is just absolutely dreadful.
15. shortr+E9[view] [source] 2023-06-27 14:11:21
>>frob+(OP)
They're frickin killing it these days with devtools though.
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16. Charle+P9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:12:02
>>trampi+t8
https://github.com/beardedspice/beardedspice
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17. jkaplo+ga[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:14:29
>>kjells+l6
Everything you said is accurate except for the word "completely". He's no longer on the MS board of directors or in any officer role, but there is this bit of ongoing involvement:

> In 2020, Bill Gates left the board of directors of Microsoft, the tech giant he cofounded in 1975. But he still spends about 10% of his time at its Redmond, Washington headquarters, meeting with product teams, he says.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2023/02/06/bill-gate... (article is from early February of this year)

Still, agreed, that doesn't really make him responsible for MS's current decisions.

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18. thesui+Ha[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:16:26
>>moss2+35
That's not entirely true. Most games are still built for Windows, and all of the tools for playing games on Linux have come a long way, but there are still a lot of combinations of games and drivers that don't work.
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19. hospit+ic[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:22:05
>>wongar+m4
Its so weird that one company isnt mentioned, but will straight up not allow you to run any programs they want.

These have dark patterns, but freedom still. (Not M$ anymore, they restore defaults with each update)

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20. ninju+wc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:22:56
>>ration+N4
Bill Gates' involvement with Microsoft fully stopped on June 27, 2008 -- 15 years to the date
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21. e-shrd+Uc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:24:14
>>postal+B
Are you saying all ios browsers are just safari with a different UI?
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22. hospit+bd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:25:09
>>Analem+u3
Apple sells the ability to be part of an 'in-group'. People don't buy their phones for their computing abilities, they do it to have access to other Apple users.

Its a psychology trick that took decades of marketing to pull off, but they are deeply entrenched as someone's identity. These users have a religious devotion and will defend them, because an attack on Apple is an attack on them and their group.

If you don't care about a corporate in-group, you are most likely wanting a quality computing platform. Which is why people are so hard on Google an Microsoft when they restrict computing.

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23. wink+Pd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:27:12
>>moss2+35
If by "gaming" you mean "be able to play a selection of games you might or might not be interested in, in varying states of support and performance", then yes - absolutely true.

None of the games I've played recently even are on Steam, so no, your answer is misleading at best.

And no, I've not tried it recently on my main machine but I've tried it often enough that my summary is still: Feel free to try it, but many (or most) of us still have to stick with Windows even if we don't like it.

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24. Crimso+de[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:28:31
>>e-shrd+Uc
Yes and it is common knowledge!
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25. Bootvi+ye[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:29:05
>>e-shrd+Uc
Yes, they must be because Apple doesn't allow a Javascript JIT engine to be released in the app store.
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26. gochi+yg[view] [source] 2023-06-27 14:36:51
>>frob+(OP)
This is a niche but effective reason to get a console.

Alternatively, a Windows box locked down to LTSC.

27. ho_sch+oh[view] [source] 2023-06-27 14:40:10
>>frob+(OP)
Dear European-Union!

How about enforcing direct control about Microsoft business? Not just another “low” fine in the ten to twenty billion range. Just stopping Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook and Amazon.

Enforcing AT&T to not enter any new business worked well. In consequence we got UNIX, C, open-source and documentation and finally the TCP/IP-stack of BSD, GNU and Linux. This had a positive effect for the complete computing industry and society. Reagan relaxed all rules, allowed AT&T to split up - the results were bad. No IT company had to fear any regulation afterwards, either politics didn’t want regulate or didn’t understand computing at all.

We don’t need this companies with too much power using incompatibility, vendor lock-in and storing away our data (the newest approach).

Chances for regulation Europe seem a little better? Less lobbyists and less tax money involved and people don’t believe in capitalism. Too late (10xtimes) and too little but at least they react.

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28. subtyp+vh[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:40:40
>>e-shrd+Uc
It's all WebKit on iOS and iPadOS
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29. splend+ni[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:43:54
>>hospit+bd
This is such a funny take I see so often parroted by the self proclaimed ‘out-crowd’. Your need to feel different and therefore superior clouds your judgment. Some users like iPhones since they are reliable and consistent, exactly like a phone should be.
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30. post-i+Kj[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:48:42
>>hospit+ic
Which company? You can run an unsigned .app on Mac with a ctrl+click, and there's also a system flag to change the block to a click-through popup. Apple is generally good at providing hidden flags to permanently turn off nanny mode, with a few exceptions (the context menu translation feature will happily tell you that a language isn't supported instead of letting you use Google Translate).
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31. coldpi+3k[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:49:50
>>hospit+bd
I don't know whatever weird psychology junk you're talking about. I bought an iPhone Mini because it's literally the only phone on the market that fits in the human hand. iOS sucks and I'd love to go back to Android, but there are zero Android phones of a usable size available for purchase. So iPhone it is.
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32. 737373+fk[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:50:59
>>kjells+l6
Eventually, only the owners are responsible. Every second they don't kick the managers that implement this crap to the curb is a moral failure on their part.

Gates owns 100x more shares than Nadella - about 1% of all shares - and thus has 100x the responsibility.

They are both guilty of greed and disrespecting their customers through their actions, or their willful or negligent ignorance and inaction.

I don't know how they can live with this, they are already rich, why not try to be better even if you earn less money in the short term?

Disrespecting your customers will get you nowhere in the long term.

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33. paweld+Gk[view] [source] 2023-06-27 14:52:11
>>frob+(OP)
Windows + 3rd party game launchers + shitty buggy games on release is triple the nightmare, better reserve 2h of your time for surprises if it's first time in a while you turn on your PC to play something on Windows. Probably reason #1 I love PS5, it has it's flaws but never takes longer than 5 minutes to go from power off to playing the game.
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34. reaper+dl[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:54:24
>>hospit+bd
Apple sells the ability to be part of an 'in-group'. People don't buy their phones for their computing abilities, they do it to have access to other Apple users.

This reads like the whining of a 14-year-old standing in a dark corner during the school dance. Translation:

"Look at me! I'm different! I'm so very counter-culture. People like Apple products, so I'm going to pretend it's a problem with the people and not other products. That way I can cosplay like I'm better/smarter/cooler than all those 'lemmings.' Now I'm going to smoke cigarettes, wear jeans, pop a leather jacket because nobody's been doing that since the 1940's. I'm special!"

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35. Fillig+zl[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:55:31
>>jjoona+56
There’s no AutoHDR at all, so yeah.
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36. darren+0m[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:57:07
>>moss2+35
Here's the thing... I have limited time for gaming and when I want to play I just want to sit down and play. My days of sodding about with (the equivalent of) autoexec.bat, config.sys, QEMM configurations, drivers and IRQ allocations are way way behind me for one when one of these combos of drivers and scripts doesn't work, or my game isn't supported, and I just want to spend a hour or two gaming to chill out.
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37. monsie+2m[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:57:10
>>splend+ni
I'm in that group. I like the "openness" of Android more. But the iphone 7 gifted from my mother is still supported while the samsung i bought in 2019 is not anymore.

I don't really care particularly about the icloud/imessage ecosystem but all close people around me have iphones (the network effect was not the primary reason for the switch).

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38. hospit+em[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 14:58:18
>>splend+ni
>Some users like iPhones since they are reliable and consistent, exactly like a phone should be.

That is just the bare minimum. Its 2023, every phone is like this.

Anyway, any teenager can tell you what its like to have the wrong kind of bubbles. They are extremely susceptible to in-group bias. Heck I wore Abercrombie and American Eagle, it wasn't because the clothes fit.

I even had a single buddy, age 30, recently get peer pressured into getting an iphone because his sister said "I don't date green bubbles". He took it to heart.

At some point, its denialism to think in-group bias doesnt exist. Not that someone exploited can easily admit to it, its far too difficult to imagine your brain being incorrect about something. Much easier to say things like "they are reliable and consistent" than to accept that marketers have exploited us.

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39. briffl+Wm[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:01:57
>>Analem+u3
In many families, ipads have replaced computers for kids as well.
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40. rjh29+4n[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:02:40
>>darren+0m
Steam on Linux is like that 99% of the time. Download the game and play it.
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41. Exotic+mn[view] [source] 2023-06-27 15:03:53
>>frob+(OP)
It feels like we're back in the '90s during the browser wars: our website only works with IE.
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42. dietr1+7o[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:07:06
>>wongar+m4
I'd say it's far better because messing at the OS level is straight out evil.

On Firefox I can stand the suggestion to use Chrome when I use google, I can even block it with uBlock, but haven't really bothered to.

Now, when they keep tweaking my OS settings, and use every upgrade as the excuse to reset my browser settings over and over, then I get mad. When I get ads on my start menu too. That's why I don't use windows anymore.

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43. Anarch+Zp[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:14:56
>>kjells+l6
I disagree. The company's DNA and general approach to the market was set by Gates 40 years ago, the culture he established still stands, so invoking him when criticising MS for it's monopolistic practices is still valid.
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44. Timon3+Wr[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:22:21
>>rjh29+4n
Better yet, check reports of other users in ProtonDB: https://www.protondb.com/

They are not necessarily applicable to everyone, but most of the time they are accurate. Makes it easy to see whether setting it all up under Linux is worth it for your library.

45. Longli+4s[view] [source] 2023-06-27 15:22:56
>>frob+(OP)
Windows has basically already been relegated to an OS I run on a PC dedicated just for gaming. I do all my serious computing on a mac now and my windows PC is a glorified game console.
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46. Faaak+ls[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:23:55
>>rjh29+4n
I didn't even know about this when I installed steam on Linux in order to play two games. "Nice, they support linux" I thought. It wasn't until the third time that I understood that they were windows games supported by steam/wine
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47. thayne+ns[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:24:04
>>post-i+Kj
I think maybe they are referring to iOS, where you can't install any software not on the app store, and all non-safari browsers are required to use webviews instead of their own engine.
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48. noisy_+Ps[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:26:02
>>hospit+em
> I even had a single buddy, age 30, recently get peer pressured into getting an iphone because his sister said "I don't date green bubbles".

All the people she didn't date thank her.

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49. lhoff+Eu[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:33:52
>>post-i+Kj
I believe he was referencing iOS were it is not possible to use a third party browser engine. Just safari in different dresses.
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50. iso163+dv[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:36:01
>>Crimso+de
Didn't Opera used to do remote rendering?
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51. aerzen+Iv[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:38:18
>>ho_sch+oh
Hmmm, interesting. How would this be implemented in practice? EU passing laws about specific things that Microsoft should and shouldn't do?
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52. perfec+Tv[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:39:38
>>hospit+bd
I agree on all points, but the access you get to other Apple users comes with access to iMessage, FaceTime, and all the other services specifically tied to the iOS ecosystem. A lot of people, me included, hate Apple for the way the wall their garden, but these services are valuable to me and others. So I would caution against everything being a psychology trick. They objectively do make a great product.
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53. LamaOf+Vv[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:39:47
>>wink+Pd
Unless you are playing the competitive games that won't turn on anti-cheat for Linux, this seems statistically incorrect. Valve prioritizes fixes for the most popular games, so the games most people want to play will work (if they are not actively prevented by the publisher as with anti-cheat).
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54. shephe+bx[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:45:26
>>Analem+u3
> Why is that in any way exonerating?

I think you're reading into the parent too much. They were simply stating a fact.

55. shephe+qx[view] [source] 2023-06-27 15:47:18
>>frob+(OP)
I recently switched from Windows to Kubuntu for my gaming machine. It works pretty well, and all of the games that I want to play are supported. Proton gets you pretty far, and many games these days even have native Linux versions.
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56. whelp_+Bx[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:48:03
>>reaper+dl
I mean that is exactly what happened more or less. Apple made their phones a status symbol, and locked in users to their ecosystem. And now, even if you don't care about being cool you care about imessage and airdrop with friends.
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57. acdha+Gx[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:48:28
>>dietr1+7o
I agree in general but Google has done things like let YouTube be slow in non-Chrome browsers or “accidentally” break GCP logins or Meet for months at a time.
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58. woodru+6z[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:55:03
>>hospit+em
I don't think it makes sense to confuse the preferences of teenagers (a market group who, overwhelmingly, don't buy their own phones) with adults. In other words: the fact that teenagers prefer the same kind of free devices as their friends have is not particularly strong evidence that adults make purchasing decisions based on just chat bubble colors.
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59. darren+sz[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 15:57:29
>>rjh29+4n
What distro would you recommend for maximising gaming performance and compatibility do you think? Valve seem to have gone for Arch but
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60. beebee+MB[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:08:17
>>darren+sz
I think Manjaro is a great choice for gaming rigs. You get easy access to latest kernels and drivers without having to babysit your computer.

Only problem with Linux gaming is that you don't get stuff like fan, voltage, frequency control for newer AMD hardware. This hasn't been an issue for me until I got a 6800XT. I thought about RMA until I remembered their Adrenaline software exists. I wish I could save my settings to the card's BIOS.

I no longer use this machine for anything but gaming. Going back to windows sucks

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61. scinti+0E[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:17:27
>>Bootvi+ye
Doesn’t that mean alternative browser engines are permitted, albeit they might perform slowly?
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62. jensco+lE[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:19:04
>>wongar+m4
Have you tried downloading Chrome from Edge?

The both the browser and OS actively advise against it.

63. square+aF[view] [source] 2023-06-27 16:22:04
>>frob+(OP)
Not to defend in any way his past stances against Open Source, but Bill Gates has nothing to do with today's Microsoft choices.

About the Windows gaming machine, you can surely build one just for gaming; just never put any personal data on it, never use it for surfing or doing anything that is not gaming, never give it any unfiltered access to your LAN, assume it contains malicious software then put it on dedicated Ethernet port on the firewall, setting up rules that allow only very restricted storage sharing so that it can't read or write anywhere but directories set up to contain exclusively what one would want to be readable/writeable by that machine.

Yes, it's a nightmare, but I don't see alternatives, save for giving Windows the middle finger for good also wrt gaming, which might end up easier than expected given the recent development with Proton and DXVK.

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64. thesui+tF[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:23:34
>>thesui+Ha
I'm past the deadline to edit this, but rereading it after coffee, I wanted to add: If you haven't tried in a few years, definitely try gaming on Linux. You will be surprised at how much just works. But I wouldn't suggest to someone who has no Linux experience that they can just wholesale drop Windows.
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65. dietr1+TG[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:29:20
>>acdha+Gx
TBF internal sites break on firefox for months too. People foocus on Chrome outside too, I think it's just that the mindset of coding against the standards and tracking all the version rollout for multiple engines is gone now that many "browsers" are just chorme reskins.
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66. whstl+wH[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:31:28
>>hospit+bd
This only applies to the US, if anything.

I don't think I ever used iMessage or Facetime in my life and I've been using iPhones for 15 years. Most people I know that have an iPhone also don't care, in the 3 countries I lived in. We use WhatsApp, Signal or Telegram.

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67. hutzli+HH[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:32:06
>>aerzen+Iv
EU can only implement laws regarding companies doing buisness in europe.

EU cannot tell Microsoft in general what to do.

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68. acdha+XH[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:33:01
>>hospit+em
> I even had a single buddy, age 30, recently get peer pressured into getting an iphone because his sister said "I don't date green bubbles". He took it to heart.

Shallow people are shallow, and it’s hardly like Apple made them that way. People do the same thing about cars, shoes, clothing, alcohol, zip codes, etc. The only upside is that it lets you very quickly identify and avoid them.

In the messaging case, it’s important to remember that Google is currently funding a huge lobbying campaign trying to get governments to restore the market position they gave up a decade ago. SMS messages have been green on iOS since the first iPhone – and shortly after the App Store launched most people were using Google Chat since everyone using Gmail was on it and it even federated with other XMPP services. Google spent the next decade pushing users away with a bunch of poorly conceived and executed attempts to lock users into their proprietary system. Only after those failed did they start picking up RCS, but most of their catch up with iMessage work has been proprietary extensions which help sell carriers on Google’s Jibe cloud service.

I like the idea of open protocols but Google is acting out of self interest and I have no doubt that they’d try to lock things up in a heartbeat if they think they could get away with it.

Let them park for their own PR, and we can talk about more open alternatives.

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69. bacchu+8I[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:33:28
>>splend+ni
>This is such a funny take I see so often parroted by the self proclaimed ‘out-crowd’. Your need to feel different and therefore superior clouds your judgment.

This is such a funny take I see so often parroted by the self proclaimed ‘out-crowd’. Your need to feel different and therefore superior clouds your judgment. Likes this post.

Yeah, there isn't anything going on beside out-group cope. Really glad most plans have unlimited text these days. Having spam texts where the person I'm communicating with just parrots what I'd just typed with the words "Liked this" would have driven me insane back in the days when you only got a thousand texts for the month.

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70. tredre+dI[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:33:52
>>hospit+ic
You're all over this thread being deliberately obtuse. Of course iOS is bad, that's not the point.

We're discussing desktop operating systems, Windows is the only one that deliberately messes with the default browser.

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71. rileyp+jK[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:42:26
>>square+aF
Gates set up the (toxic) culture that continues today, and still provides high-level input. Definitely has something to do with their choices in the same way Jobs still does at Apple.
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72. nullin+CK[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:43:25
>>hospit+bd
> People don't buy their phones for their computing abilities, they do it to have access to other Apple users.

Since you're projecting onto people, I'll provide a counter point in that I dislike Android enough, the hardware is often of poor quality, support for updates don't last very long, OEMs install unremovable software (unless you root).

All in all, an awful ecosystem, in my personal experience.

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73. marcos+ML[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:47:08
>>aerzen+Iv
It's something done completely inside the Judiciary, with only oversight by the Legislative.

Indeed, the AT&T case at the US is the textbook example, it's worth looking at it.

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74. marcos+iM[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:48:38
>>hutzli+HH
It can tell what Microsoft does in Europe. But, of course, MS can always decide to abandon the region instead of complying too.
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75. marcos+VM[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:50:05
>>wongar+m4
Google has an old crusade against Microsoft browsers. It doesn't do the same with the other ones.

What doesn't negate anything you said, it's just a detail worth adding.

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76. bombol+WM[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:50:09
>>rileyp+jK
jobs died
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77. EMM_38+xN[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:52:21
>>737373+fk
Public companies are out for one thing, and one thing only.

Shareholder returns.

It has nothing to do with CEOs "already being rich", their job is literally to run the company properly so that the shareholders make more money.

Like it or not, that's how it is. Now, if this "crap" actually hurts the brand and the bottom line, they shouldn't implement it. If they are seeing more profits, and not many complaints, it's likely it will stay.

Moral faiure does not come into play.

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78. pndy+8O[view] [source] 2023-06-27 16:54:19
>>frob+(OP)
> Windows is just full of hostile, anti-user patterns these days.

I wonder since the initial "free" W10 upgrade, where the hell are the regulators? The browser selection window happen these years ago and seems they call job well done both for themselves and MS.

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79. marcos+aP[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:57:26
>>Exotic+mn
You seem to have lost the memo.

We have standards wars, a stale browser that just woke-up and became a bit less stale (but no promises for the future), anticompetitive practices all around. We are right inside a browser war.

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80. hinkle+CP[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 16:59:02
>>ho_sch+oh
I’d be good with exponentially increasing fines that don’t reset after each repeat occurrence. Sort of a contempt of court sentiment.

Microsoft already lost this case twenty years ago? Repeat offenders do not get the mercy of the courts.

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81. pluijz+MR[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:08:03
>>rjh29+4n
I really want to second this.

All games I want to play these days work under Linux without effort. Older titles work even better where under Windows you could run into compatibility issues not so under Linux because of the great effort put on backward compatibility by Wine.

Also, a bit susprising and unfortunate, the Windows version of a game that has native Linux support often runs better.

I run Manjaro Linux and have an Nvidia GPU for if it matters. My Steam games I run with Steam and for the games I bought on GOG I use Lutris.

I would really suggest people to check out how far it has come.

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82. janoc+6U[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:17:36
>>scinti+0E
Have you seen a viable "alternative browser engine" that doesn't require javascript support these days?

It is not about "performing slowly" but about getting your app rejected from the App store because it violates an Apple policy of scripting languages/interpreters not being allowed. And also another one that forbids you from competing/replacing the Apple applications, i.e. Safari. So if you want to display a web page you have to use webview (i.e. Safari behind the scenes).

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83. lowerc+WU[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:21:57
>>coldpi+3k
> but there are zero Android phones of a usable size available for purchase. So iPhone it is.

My local dollar store has a couple of prepaid android 5.5" phones. Not much size diff from my iphone 12 mini.

Point still taken though - 'regular' sized phones from 6 years ago are mostly gone from the mainstream market. I really hope there's another mini or a bumped up iphone se. I would like them to keep the physical home button with touch id as well. Or maybe a touch id sensor someplace else...?

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84. skeake+ZU[view] [source] 2023-06-27 17:22:20
>>frob+(OP)
I wonder why in these threads nobody ever says to just pirate Windows. It's not hard to do. Sometimes people will float security concerns but it's a safe process if you just load an official ISO and then crack it, and even if it were questionable on the security front it's not like you're doing anything that really needs that sort of security if you're just playing video games. If Windows is going to make itself mandatory for some games but they're also going to pull nonsense like in the OP, piracy seems like a reasonable option to voice your objections without abstaining completely.

And yes there are also ways to stop data collection if you're concerned about giving that to them.

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85. COGlor+pV[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:24:24
>>jjoona+56
It's in progress, but it's one of very few sacrifices you make. Anti-cheat is really the only other one of note, and many games are now supporting anti-cheat on Linux.
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86. theand+6W[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:27:39
>>ninju+wc
He was still involved after that, because he was on the board until 2020.
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87. hutzli+UW[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:31:55
>>marcos+iM
That "region" is a very big market. So that is not really an option for them. On the other hand large parts of the economy and government in the EU are totally dependant on Microsoft products and would be screwed if they would pull the plug.
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88. bilege+iZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:43:54
>>skeake+ZU
Because that's not objecting; you're still feeding into the power Windows has over computing.

Bill Gates said so himself in 2007: "It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's not,"[1]

I'm not pretending that the intervening 16 years hasn't changed things; I am happily gaming exclusively on Linux after all, something most people didn't truly expect back then. But that statement remains true regardless.

[1]https://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007...

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89. eldais+yZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:46:12
>>lowerc+WU
those android phones will have terrible materials, terrible internals and non-existent support. Their existence doesn't really say much.

I also dislike many things apple does but all too often, their hardware quality is good and lasts a long time. I'm still using a 2014 macbook. it is on its last legs but eight years out of a piece of tech is borderline amazing.

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90. marcos+XZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:48:32
>>hutzli+UW
IMO, abandoning the EU would be fatal to MS, not exactly because of lost revenue but because of second order effects. But I didn't want to put my opinion on the GP post.
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91. barbar+g11[view] [source] 2023-06-27 17:55:06
>>frob+(OP)
Bill Gates doesn't run the company any more. It's the new ceo, who everybody on hn is such a gushing fan of, who has been transforming windows lately
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92. cherry+E11[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 17:56:37
>>beebee+MB
https://github.com/ilya-zlobintsev/LACT

This application lets you adjust everything and the settings are saved on reboot

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93. wlll+L21[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:01:56
>>hospit+bd
I buy Apple stuff because it's good quality, largely secure and generally Just Works and gets out of my way while I concentrate on the stuff that matters. I'm busy, I've got better things to do than try to make my tech work the way it should.

I don't buy Apple for fashion reasons, some mythical "in group" or any of the reasons you say.

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94. skeake+J31[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:06:52
>>bilege+iZ
I think at some point the onus lies with the games that have Windows as a requirement. Them having that mandate at all is what's feeding the power Windows has over computing. Of course that also relies on people playing those games so you could still in some way blame them, but gaming has hit such a critical mass that certain games will always be sustainable regardless of how predatory they are. At that point if you want to, for example, play with friends and not be left out, the least wrong option for you would be to pirate Windows to deny Microsoft of everything else.
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95. baq+j41[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:09:20
>>darren+0m
Steam deck runs most games as well as Windows, some even better than windows. Of course it runs some worse or not at all… but it’s precious little.

It’s really mind blowing that winapi is the binary cross-OS API of choice.

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96. hutzli+o41[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:09:39
>>marcos+XZ
"but because of second order effects. "

Which is why Bill Gates personally intervened, when Munich switched to Linux a couple of years ago.

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97. lost_t+f61[view] [source] 2023-06-27 18:19:10
>>frob+(OP)
What? Bill Gates doesn't set policy at Microsoft anymore.
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98. hospit+z61[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:20:35
>>eldais+yZ
>it is on its last legs but eight years out of a piece of tech is borderline amazing.

I think that is pretty normal. I'm still using my 2014 $700 Asus 'gaming laptop' for CAD, emulators, gaming, etc.... Only reason I even upgraded was so I could have 6gb VRAM for various AI purposes.

Time for my kid to use it for a few years... Then I'll turn it into a server.

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99. saving+i91[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:33:14
>>EMM_38+xN
They are not obligated to do that.

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/04/16/what-are-co...

(arguably)

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100. hulitu+hb1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:41:50
>>iso163+dv
Opera mini.
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101. hulitu+Mc1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 18:47:58
>>happym+R7
Funny that SGI some 20 years ago supported more than 32bpp.
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102. yomlic+9f1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:00:53
>>hutzli+UW
They wouldn't abandon the market, they'd just introduce a complying version for Europe like N or K versions in the past. That way they can continue to screw everyone else.
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103. Tremen+Af1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:02:33
>>wongar+m4
I discovered a fun one yesterday; downloaded google drive for desktop, wasn't able to sign in, got an "unknown error". Search for it, try all the solutions, delete gdrive cache, reinstall, reboot, etc. Started to think it might be registry related (I had done a bunch of weird stuff to the storage recently), then it ocurred to me to try the login flow through chrome instead of firefox.

It worked first try.

I don't think they explicitly broke it in ff, just that they don't test on anything that isn't chrome, which results in these nice side effects.

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104. philis+Ij1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:27:17
>>skeake+J31
With Valve finally managing to make fetch happen, any large company starting a project today must consider the value of releasing on Linux for Steam Deck.

The problem is the games coming in the next years started development five years ago.

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105. philis+jk1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:30:35
>>acdha+XH
Exactly. The power over iMessage is in Apple’s hands. Yet Google, with their RCS push, have not made something open-source were they have less power than Apple.

RCS is controlled by Google just like iMessage.

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106. gigel8+Gk1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:33:11
>>barbar+g11
More like abandoning it to the wolves.
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107. flound+Im1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:44:02
>>darren+0m
Your comment describes the perpetual state of Linux desktop use in general. Every couple of years I check it out again because people on HN, Reddit, or some other forum *swear* that it "just works" now and you don't have to mess with config files, drivers, or spend hours researching some strange issue. After booting a Linux distro I learn that's still not true within 15 minutes or so, and go back to Windows.
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108. 8note+Jn1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:50:12
>>splend+ni
Which is also what a computer should be, and thus why windows should only allow edge

I think you'd be hard pressed to find somebody who wants an unreliable and inconsistent laptop

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109. bilege+co1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:51:56
>>philis+Ij1
The real sore spot is with multiplayer anticheat, about 50/50 according to https://areweanticheatyet.com/ ... plus maybe a few singleplayer games with draconian DRM. Otherwise, things usually just work with the occasional hiccup (those hiccups, in all fairness, can be a real PITA to resolve though from my experience; but things are getting better with time too!)
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110. CSMast+ko1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:52:38
>>aerzen+Iv
Just eliminate vertical integration in the space.

Enforce the kernel team must be separate from the application layer - let other people build operating system UIs on top of the kernel.

For the operating system team to be separated from the product teams.

Even go further and unbundle the product teams - make office separate from bing which is separate from edge, etc.

Just make sure you also do it to Apple, Google, etc.

This is what the US almost did in the 90s.

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111. autoex+ap1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:55:59
>>square+aF
You've basically described my plan for a windows gaming machine, but these days I'm thinking it won't even be needed. I think the steam deck has shown that linux can run plenty of games without much issue. I'll start there at least and if that +consoles isn't enough for me I'll go down the road of turning a windows machine into a locked down game console.
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112. tokai+ep1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 19:56:36
>>wink+Pd
Its a two click thing to run non-steam games with proton through steam.
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113. autoex+mq1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 20:02:17
>>skeake+ZU
> Sometimes people will float security concerns but it's a safe process if you just load an official ISO and then crack it,

What makes you think the crack you apply to your official ISO isn't compromising your OS?

> even if it were questionable on the security front it's not like you're doing anything that really needs that sort of security

If you're going to install steam on your PC, then you'd be giving an attacker access to your steam account and if you ever install or use a platform that doesn't already have your credit card info stored then the attacker gets your credit card data.

> And yes there are also ways to stop data collection if you're concerned about giving that to them.

This isn't true. There is no way to stop windows from collecting data. No version of windows is capable of disabling all data collection, and there's no setting you can configure that can't be undone by MS at any time, and without any notice at all to you.

At best, you can install a copy of windows on a machine that is left offline 100% of the time, but i think most gamers would find that unacceptable since even if you don't care about MMOs or multiplayer, steam is still pretty popular.

I don't object to the idea of pirating software you don't like, don't want, but feel "forced" to use, but the idea that there are no real risks to your security or your privacy by doing it is just plain wrong.

Just use linux. It can play plenty of games.

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114. ho_sch+Is1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 20:14:38
>>marcos+XZ
Yep. Default Win for Red Hat, Suse and Canonical!

And after some (hard) years of actual competition benefits of compatibility will lead to lower prices and more choices.

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115. ho_sch+It1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 20:21:46
>>hutzli+o41
Munich itself is weird case. There some smaller municipalities which have done better with Linux, lower-saxony and the police and the recent switch to Matrix of the Army.

Regarding Munich: Three competing IT-Departments! Repeat, three. An own special distribution. They didn’t migrated all applications (either do it or not) and a lot of stuff was always done on Windows. Finally Microsoft moved a headquarter to Munich and solved it with “tax money”.

Rumors say that the reverse migration to Microsoft itself was also “bumpy”. Let me guess, three IT-Departments?

The former major of Munich also gave an interesting interview about the “experience”.

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116. hospit+iu1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 20:24:31
>>acdha+XH
>Shallow people are shallow, and it’s hardly like Apple made them that way.

Oh yeah its not a Apple thing, its a human thing.

Apple takes advantage of that weakness in humans and reinforces it with their marketing. I personally don't have the ethics to take advantage of people who are class insecure, but Apple stepped up in the tech space.

Anyway, the original point was that Apple gives less freedom and its fine because they sell a social club, not necessarily the ability to compute. If they aren't selling a social club, they are doing a poor job at letting people compute.

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117. hospit+dv1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 20:30:13
>>philis+jk1
That isnt factual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSMA

Google doesnt control RCS. Its a general format. Apple could implement RCS. At most, they are a loud voice. Any phone can adopt it.

This is completely different from a closed imessage that cannot be adopted by others. Not to mention, imessage has been pretty anti-consumer with all their security problems, inability to accept high quality video, etc... None of this is good for the consumer.

What is good for the consumer is that the color of the bubble are different, this is important for status seeking individuals who want to be part of the in-group.

Back to the parent comments, RCS is better if you want a computing device. iMessage is the best if you want to buy your way into an in-group.

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118. scarfa+Cv1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 20:32:54
>>Analem+u3
Can I I stalk another browser on ChromeOS?
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119. scarfa+7w1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 20:35:20
>>hospit+bd
Yes, it’s all “marketing” that 60% of phones sold in the US are iPhones. Poor little Google couldn’t just “market” their phones better?

I was just talking to my 80 year old mom yesterday and she was telling me how much she loves being part of the “in group”

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120. ho_sch+kw1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 20:36:22
>>CSMast+ko1
You probably could do that for some parts but have to control the interaction. For big integrated parts is is probably easier to control them as howl?

A mere split up will lead to “baby bells” and the bigger one will just buy others - and centralize again.

PS: We should remember that Microsoft was able to destroy Nokia with an installed CEO (Stephen Elop) of their own. Killed the already shipping Linux smartphone. Installed Windows Mobile and Nokia was finally dead. Nokia itself did mistakes before but from outside this was questionable?

121. racl10+lw1[view] [source] 2023-06-27 20:36:29
>>frob+(OP)
Is Bill Gates even making decisions at this point? It's weird. When Microsoft does something good it's credited to Satya Nadella but when they do bad shit, it seems to be blamed on Ballmer or Gates. lol

Shouldn't it all, good or bad, be attributed to Satya Nadella at this point?

Or does the great CEO lack agency?

Even weirder, for some reason people have no issues blaming Google's sorry state directly on Sundar Pichai.

shrug

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122. lucb1e+5z1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 20:52:40
>>dietr1+7o
This doesn't make much sense to me

> I can even block it with uBlock

You can also block such things in your OS. It requires more expertise to modify machine code rather than obfuscated HTML, but in the end, it's cosmetically altering software to make it look the way you want it to.

Equal levels of 'evil' either way, to me

If they had gone out of their way to add DRM specifically to the pop-up (detecting div deletion for the web version, for example), that would be more evil, but such things aren't being done for showing browser advertisements (might come as a side effect for Windows licensing, but one who chooses to employ licensed software naturally invites that)

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123. kernal+jE1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:17:07
>>wongar+m4
> Visit google.com with Edge (on desktop) and you immediately get a popup on the top right "Google recommends using Chrome. Built for Windows. Easily search on Google with the fast, secure browser".

You make it out as if this is only done by Google. The same company that tries everything it can to make you use Edge on Windows also tries to make you switch to Edge on their site. Google is perfectly entitled to do what they want on their site, Microsoft however takes it to a whole new level - which is par for the course with Microsoft.

"Experience AI-powered browsing with the new Bing built-in. Get comprehensive answers and summarized information side-by-side in Microsoft Edge"

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124. kernal+KE1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:20:02
>>ho_sch+oh
I have an even better solution. Just get Chromium to change their license to make it a requirement to always respect the user's chosen browser.
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125. kernal+eF1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 21:22:49
>>scarfa+Cv1
Open the Play Store on ChromeOS and pick any browser you want.
126. gueril+PN1[view] [source] 2023-06-27 22:12:45
>>frob+(OP)
I have a windows gaming rig. You can download windows for free (11, 12, 13 or whatever the latest one is I can’t remember) on the official website. That’s what I use. It comes with some missing features like not being able to change certain personalised settings and a weird background but it’s 99% the same and more than enough for steam and gaming.

Enjoy!

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127. acdha+HR1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:34:48
>>hospit+iu1
> Anyway, the original point was that Apple gives less freedom and it’s fine because they sell a social club, not necessarily the ability to compute.

Yes, that’s the claim but it’s glaring how it’s an emotional position presented as a given but completely unsupported by any evidence and bears a striking resemblance to a competitor’s PR campaign. If this was true, it’d be easy to point to things like ads or marketing material disparaging SMS users – not to mention some effort to extend this outside of the United States where apps like WhatsApp are far more popular.

> If they aren't selling a social club, they are doing a poor job at letting people compute.

Here’s the thing: most people don’t buy phones (or computers) to “compute”. If you look at an Apple ad, it’s full of people doing things like creating photos or videos, sharing moments with their friends, traveling, etc. – that’s what they’re selling and the repeat purchase rate suggests most people feel like they are getting what they were promised.

I get it may help you feel more confident about your Android preferences to concoct these weird theories about iOS buyers being brainwashed or part of some weird social club but you might want to consider why you need to justify your preference this way. Most iOS users are buying something which they find useful and you’d be far more successful in your advocacy if you focused on what tangible benefits normal people are missing out on. What you’re doing sounds insecure, not persuasive.

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128. Aerbil+JR1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:35:05
>>square+aF
LookingGlass is an alternative.
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129. acdha+tT1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:45:25
>>hospit+dv1
Google does control the proprietary extensions to RCS they use to try to catch up to iMessage on security and features. The developers of apps like Signal, etc. have been asking for access for many years but Google chose to exclude them as they try to build their user base. Similarly, most of the carriers in the US haven’t actually implemented it themselves - they’re just paying Google’s Jibe subsidiary to host it for them. This is not open in practice even if there’s a theory where it could eventually be open.
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130. FireBe+2U1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-27 22:48:40
>>jeltz+y1
> on MacOS they allow other browsers and respect the systemwide defaults

on a new install of MacOS, when you have installed Chrome and explicitly set it as the default browser, MacOS will still ask you, albeit once, whether you really want to open that resource in Chrome, or Safari. And Chrome isn't the default option.

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131. mardif+Y92[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 00:39:05
>>hutzli+UW
It is the only option if faced with a corporate break up. Rather leaving an already shrinking market than literally cease existing.
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132. jodrel+9d2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 01:05:52
>>8note+Jn1
> "I think you'd be hard pressed to find somebody who wants an unreliable and inconsistent laptop"

All you have to do is search HN for "linux laptop", look:

"newer laptops still have their fair share of issues. When I bought my thinkpad A485 kernels wouldn't boot without additional parameters, the graphics would freeze at times and cause a hardlock, sleep and hibernation have been fixed and broken again intermittently over several kernel versions, the wifi card's AP mode started causing segfaults in kernel 5.2 due to the driver's rewrite but has since been fixed, the fnlock key LED didn't update properly, which I spent a while debugging and submitted a kernel patch for, and while over the years the fingerprint scanner has been implemented, it's a pain to install and support for fingerprint scanning in linux is still in a very sorry state. Oh and bluetooth still can't connect more than one device at a time" - >>32964872

Reply: "With Wayland, Gnome and KDE have no way to adjust the scroll speed on a laptop trackpad. Not the pointer speed, the scroll speed. In 2022."

"I have a slimbook pro (the model before the silver keyboard) and sadly I am very unhappy with it, I got a fairly maxed out version and it's fans are always on full blast and I have found no way to keep the power management under control except throttling the CPU - so it is constantly overheated, suspend is not working properly and the chassis is not strong enough so the fans stall unless you have it on a flat surface. [...] Still I will keep buying these things.. eventually someone will figure out how to make reliable laptops that align with the ethos of free software. I've researched system76, puri.sm and also lately the way too expensive MNT reform, but really the only laptop people seem to be happy with is thinkpad x220 / x230 which came out 12 years ago.... This makes me sad. I would pay a lot for a super sturdy laptop which works (and aligns with the free software ethos)." - >>23925729

NB that they say what they want is 'super sturdy which works' but their actual behaviour, and the market signal they send, is they pay a lot for an unreliable and inconsistent piece of junk, knowing and expecting it will be that way, and that they will keep doing so indefinitely as long as companies keep making them, and as soon as companies make a good thing they will stop buying. Hmm.

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133. kotaKa+Oe2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 01:18:06
>>ho_sch+oh
No. The EU's too busy complaining that a company should be forced to adopt a connector that didn't exist when it released its product to the market.
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134. hospit+Lb3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 10:49:03
>>acdha+HR1
>apps like WhatsApp are far more popular.

Popular doesnt mean 'in-group'.

>I get it may help you feel more confident about your Android preferences to concoct these weird theories about iOS buyers being brainwashed

No, we learned this during my MBA. Apple is basically 50% of your marketing classes. I'm not sure you want to call academics incorrect here. They were spot on, they knew you'd come to apologize. Your identity is wrapped in Apple. An attack on Apple, is an attack on you.

Meanwhile I hate google and microsoft. I'm agonistic and trying to find anything better. Heck, I even think Linux isnt great for consumers given all the USB issues I've had.

Do Apple fans complain about butterfly keyboards, international high stakes security breaches, and holding your phone wrong? Or do they rush to Apple's defense. Weird you don't see people doing that in Google and Microsoft threads.

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135. hospit+Qb3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 10:50:20
>>acdha+tT1
>proprietary extensions to RCS

Oof gross. Do you have any further reading? I couldn't find anything on it.

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136. devnul+DI3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 14:09:57
>>jjoona+56
FWIW, desktop Windows 10 HDR is broken too.
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137. hnfong+tM3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 14:26:58
>>CSMast+ko1
While what you're proposing is probably in the spirit of antitrust laws, the actual effect would be the US perceiving this to be an "economic act of war" not unlike the economic sanctions they have been dealing out lately...
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138. skeake+Ao4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 17:06:53
>>autoex+mq1
> What makes you think the crack you apply to your official ISO isn't compromising your OS?

I guess the crack being FOSS with readable source code helps. It's a 9000 line cmd file with insane Windows-y things everywhere that make it hard to read, but being open at all and with that many users gives me quite a bit of confidence in it.

https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts

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139. autoex+l15[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 19:57:50
>>skeake+Ao4
That is encouraging. At a quick glance, the offline activation stuff looks reasonably clean too.
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