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1. itsama+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-01-07 21:38:25
I cut out mammal products and replaced with plant protein like lentils and wild rice.

I can eat 200g of lentil noodles in a sitting.

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2. parl_m+w2[view] [source] 2026-01-07 21:48:02
>>itsama+(OP)
lentils carb/protein ratio isn't great. you still need to supplement it with protein (whey or pea). i eat a fair amount of lentils, but mostly as a carb source (like white rice). even tofu's ratio isn't good enough. i do eat a lot of tofu though, because i like it

back of the hand math suggests id have to eat a kg of dry lentils a day to reach my protein requirements. that's gotta be what, 2800 cal? edit: 800g of lentils for 200g of protein, 2500 cal.

im just thinking out loud here, but lentils alone wouldn't be adequate for me.

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3. shimma+F2[view] [source] 2026-01-07 21:48:29
>>itsama+(OP)
I've been cooking more with lentils as well, so many cheap tasty recipes. I've been following this chickpea hack (cooking in microwave for like 5ish) to great success. Microwaving the chickpeas splits them into a crispy texture, then after that it's very flexible to create all kinds of dishes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EU76q3Vf3Q

My favorite is pan frying them in a hot sauce + aromatics for a quick chickpea rice bowl, I even gotten into the habit of using chickpeas as a chicken replacement for many of my Mexican dishes.

If you're use to the typical American diet, please try cooking more lentils! Very tasty, filling dishes, low on costs and high on nutrients.

chicken 100g/27g of protein

chickpeas 100g/19g of protein

That's a good ratio for something that costs less than a dollar a can compared to chicken.

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4. parl_m+B5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 22:00:18
>>shimma+F2
fwiw at the level of protein i need to eat to build muscle mass (im weight training 3x a week), even that 27 vs 19 difference starts to become a problem.

people don't realize how challenging it is to eat 200g of protein a day, every day, for months, without eating like 3000cal lol

that said, i do eat a lot of plant based protein. i love chickpeas and i also fuck w tofu a lot.

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5. thesz+7c[view] [source] 2026-01-07 22:29:27
>>itsama+(OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzsEqV0Bjcs - that lecture refers a simple formulae to compute protein content from the amount of nitrogen. They count nitrogen in grams, then multiply by 6 to get amount of "available" protein. But, any antinutrients such as cyanides will count as proteins by this calculation.

Lentils contain trypsin inhibitors, which contain inordinate amount of nitrogen that is counted as protein.

While you do not eat these directly after cooking your lentils, you do not eat as much protein as you would think you do.

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6. blks+8c[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 22:29:29
>>parl_m+B5
There’s a pretty versatile and tasty milk product called tvoroh in eastern/Central Europe. It has about 18g of protein, and 0-10% fat depending on what you’re buying. So for low fat options it can be as low as 70-90kkal/100g with 18g of protein.

What is the problem of consuming say 80-100% of whey protein? Not all of it has sweeteners.

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7. teifer+vd[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 22:36:23
>>parl_m+w2
Depends on "adequate". The average western diet over-consumes protein.
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8. parl_m+if[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 22:44:05
>>teifer+vd
okay? i said "adequate for me", not "adequate for the average western person".
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9. parl_m+Of[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 22:46:26
>>blks+8c
> What is the problem of consuming say 80-100% of whey protein?

Well, for starters, that'd be completely fucking joyless. And on top of that, meat contains other nutrients that I'd have to account for (which is not hard tbh, but requires a little bit of studying and planning).

> tasty milk product called tvoroh

My gallbladder has never been at 100% and as a result, I have to eat a relatively low fat diet. This is not something a normal person faces. I eat a fair amount of low fat greek yogurt, though. Similar concept.

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10. com2ki+8j[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 23:02:59
>>teifer+vd
I started tracking everything I ate, every single bite.

The average western diet may over consume meat, but I have to work my butt off to hit my protein goals for strength training.

A slice of bacon has 3g of protein. 150 calories though. Eating enough protein through bacon isn't the best of ideas, even if someone is doing a ketogenic diet!

60-80g of protein is about right for a man who has a moderately physical job or who exercises some small amount. 100g is the minimum for putting on muscle and getting stronger.

The average western diet over consumes everything, it could do with less sugar, less processed foods (which are hyper palatable and don't satiate hunger), and more pure protein.

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11. NewJaz+Tj[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 23:08:05
>>com2ki+8j
Why are you quoting raw protein grams instead of using a g/kg of body weight metric?
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12. com2ki+vl[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-07 23:18:05
>>NewJaz+Tj
Because American men average around five nine and given the average lean muscle mass needs on that frame size, something within 60-90g (which is a huge range!) will work for most American men.

Like if someone is a 6 foot 10 body builder, they know their needs.

Also the suggested range of g/kg ranges from .8g/kg to 1.2g/kg, which is also a huge range, but that is primarily for building strength, not maintaining.

Given the goals here are "rough guidelines on eating healthy", I'm fine saying most men should aim for 60-90g of lean protein a day. That isn't exactly a hot take.

13. loeg+Iy[view] [source] 2026-01-08 00:42:28
>>itsama+(OP)
Lentils are about 9% protein by weight; that's only 18g of protein.

(Beef is about 25-30% protein by weight. Whey protein isolates are about 80% protein by weight.)

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14. skirmi+1D[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 01:12:11
>>blks+8c
(I am from Eastern Europe). "Tvorog" / "Творог" is almost identical to commonly available cottage cheese. I buy the latter in big tubs from Costco and eat it almost every day for breakfast (with whatever fruits are on hand, or with raisins and nuts in the worst case).
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15. tomjak+WD[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 01:18:23
>>parl_m+w2
> 800g of lentils for 200g of protein, 2500 cal.

> im just thinking out loud here, but lentils alone wouldn't be adequate for me.

This seems in line with maintenance calories for a moderately active man, am I missing something?

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16. cvbnmb+rH[view] [source] 2026-01-08 01:42:23
>>itsama+(OP)
> mammal products

Makes me think of the song:

https://youtu.be/14jjo7MtSzE

I like that term. I assume that means you cut out beef, pork, mutton, goat, cheese, and milk but eat seafood and birds/eggs.

I may start that diet!

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17. heavys+tN[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 02:23:33
>>tomjak+WD
If the goal is both strength training, cardio, and both weight gain and building muscle mass to competitive levels, then that can be not enough.
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18. zabzon+HT[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 03:17:00
>>com2ki+8j
> strength training

why do you think you need to do that? most people don't.

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19. com2ki+Z71[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 05:46:35
>>zabzon+HT
That question is, honestly, kind of stupid. It is akin to asking why eat healthy or why go outside in the sun.

But hey, here we go.

1. Intense physical exercise is the only known way to increase IQ. (Admittedly pure strength training is not the best for this, HIIT workouts are better)

2. Muscle mass is a huge factor in the early death in seniors. Basically people who lack muscle mass are more likely to fall over and fracture something, at which point they are much more likely to die.

3. Lean muscle mass, up to a certain point (e.g. extreme body builders have worse mortality numbers), decreases mortality across the board.

4. I like living w/o pain, and you can choose to either have your joints take the load or your muscles take the load.

5. I enjoy being able to move my body and be active in the world.

6. I'm vain and I like to look good.

> most people don't.

Most people in America die of a heart attack. Most people in America are obese and have troubles moving around. Most people in America don't read books. Most people in America don't enjoy mathematics. Most people in America don't go to art museums.

People should have aspirations to do more than average.

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20. hombre+se1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 06:55:47
>>parl_m+w2
You would just eat more protein dense plant foods like tempeh, extra firm tofu, and seitan which is the most protein dense food.

If the only food in your pantry were seitan, you’d have to eat 260g (960cal) of it to hit 200g protein. It’s not that much food.

Most people haven’t tried it but asian stores may sell it next to tofu as “vegan chicken/beef”. It has a nice texture that you can cube and treat like chicken in a stir fry.

I eat it weekly.

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21. writeb+Pn1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 08:18:59
>>parl_m+w2
Tofu's ratio is really good, though? I can get 162kcal/18g of protein tofu here. Anything where P*10 > KCAL is a very good protein source, imo.
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22. SpicyL+So2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 16:01:39
>>zabzon+HT
Most people experience severe mobility problems in old age that would likely have been preventable by strength training.
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23. blks+3A2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 16:49:17
>>skirmi+1D
Yeah, I actually learned how to make it myself, although it requires access to kefir/piimä, or making it yourself first. Once you have it, it’s very easy to make it, although often unnecessary when local eastern shops have it quite cheap.

Not sure about availability in the US, in EU cottage cheese often is sold as much more creamy spread, like Philadelphia cheese.

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24. skirmi+8L2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-08 17:39:09
>>blks+3A2
You may be calling it "quark" then? From a quick search:

"The two most common translations of tvorog are cottage cheese (common in the US) and quark (common in Germany). The process of making these different cheeses is quite similar: you take fermented, acidized or sour milk, and separate the curds from the whey. For cottage cheese, cream is added to the curds before they’re packaged, and for quark, the curds are not overly dried so the curds come out quite soft and creamy. Tvorog, on the other hand, is most often packaged as dry grainy pieces of curd."

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25. parl_m+hY3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-09 00:33:23
>>zabzon+HT
you don't need to do anything. why try? sit at home and watch tv.

i can hike elevation all day which is great for backpacking, i look great with a shirt off, and i can stand up from the couch without using my hands.

yes, im taking it a bit far at this point, but really that just means eating the average american's protein intake and then a protein shake or two on top

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26. parl_m+PW6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-09 22:03:39
>>writeb+Pn1
chicken breast is more than twice as "good" ratio wise.

> Anything where P*10 > KCAL is a very good protein source, imo.

for the average person's protein intake, yes.

try doing 200g of protein a day with tofu. for firm tofu, that's over 5 pounds of tofu a day! and that's over 2000 calories.

it's doable but i also challenge you to eat 5 pounds of tofu every day of a week and tell me if that's any fun, lol.

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27. writeb+Pm8[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-10 13:16:12
>>parl_m+PW6
> chicken breast is more than twice as "good" ratio wise.

Yes, at more than twice the price for me.

> for the average person's protein intake, yes.

The average person doesn't need that ratio, reaching 60-90g of protein is trivial. That ratio is good for bodybuilding purposes. Now, eating that much tofu, that sucks. Generally, getting 200g of protein sucks, even when you eat protein powder.

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28. parl_m+4Qj[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 22:56:18
>>writeb+Pm8
> The average person doesn't need that ratio

That's fine for the average person.

> Generally, getting 200g of protein sucks, even when you eat protein powder.

I have a some days where I hit 120g and it's not a recovery or workout day and I just give up lol.

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29. tomjak+cnm[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-14 17:45:53
>>heavys+tN
Scale that up to 5000 kcal/day needed for heavy activity (like for an Olympic swimmer) and it still seems like a sufficient, if not excessive, amount of protein: 400g of it. Not even NFL linemen eat that much protein.
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