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1. gkober+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-17 20:37:06
I know I won't get a lot of love for this, but Sam is a really good person. I don't know him well, but I've known him since long before OpenAI.

He's not perfect, but behind the scenes he's a genuine and upstanding person. I've met lots of wealthy smart people, and he's the only exception. He was the only person I trusted in this situation, and I'm genuinely nervous that he's no longer running OpenAI.

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2. rogerk+J1[view] [source] 2023-11-17 20:41:20
>>gkober+(OP)
I agree. Have not heard a single concern about ethics in business ever raised about him before.
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3. baches+T1[view] [source] 2023-11-17 20:41:38
>>gkober+(OP)
how do you know he's a good person if you don't know him well?
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4. tashoe+82[view] [source] 2023-11-17 20:42:14
>>gkober+(OP)
His sister would disagree with you.
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5. Blackt+33[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 20:44:16
>>rogerk+J1
That's usually how things work. They're aren't any complaints or concerns, until they're are. Obviously.
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6. stavro+q3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 20:45:06
>>baches+T1
Because you can know someone non-well and think they're a really good person. It's not strong evidence, but it's not nothing.
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7. atleas+w3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 20:45:26
>>tashoe+82
She's voiced her allegations for years. Has something been brought up recently? Is she credible?
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8. gkober+t5[view] [source] 2023-11-17 20:52:27
>>gkober+(OP)
Update: Greg Brockman is also out, which makes me think it's more than just a Sam scandal.
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9. koolba+d6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 20:55:21
>>baches+T1
I've had a positive opinion of sama as a human ever since this comment about him living with his two brothers well into their 30s: >>12592010

It's a corollary to my theory that anybody that maintains close ties with their family and lives with them is a wholesome person.

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10. danpal+G6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 20:56:49
>>atleas+w3
Is she not credible?
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11. iandan+67[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 20:58:19
>>gkober+t5
The statement claims he is no longer board chair but will stay with the company. Do you have other info?
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12. nebula+v7[view] [source] 2023-11-17 20:59:56
>>gkober+(OP)
He is the guy that built a bunker in New Zealand and has a ready made plan to escape on a motorcycle with his escape bag filled with guns, money and supplies when things collapse right? (At least I think he that guy) Is that normal person behavior?
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13. bensec+08[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:02:00
>>Blackt+33
Not really, no. There will usually be allegations of malfeasance floating around a person for a while before any of them are brought to the wider public. To a complete outsider, it looks like these things come out of nowhere, but to someone who's relatively close to the person it seems like it was building up for years. I've also noticed in cases of false accusations that there will often be a number of other accusations made shortly after, all of which look relatively weak or unimportant; eg someone accused of sexual harassment will separately be accused of making a sexual advancement then backing off when turned down. By evaluating the sorts of other allegations about a person when some accusation is made against them, we can attempt to guess the legitimacy of those allegations collectively.
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14. gkober+l8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:03:58
>>nebula+v7
I didn't say he was normal. He's clearly not (normal people don't start OpenAI). That doesn't preclude him for being a thoughtful person who wants the best for the world around him.
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15. shipsc+W8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:06:37
>>nebula+v7
I vote no because New Zealand seems like a poor choice for possessing arms in a bunker.
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16. behnam+Y8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:06:39
>>danpal+G6
Isn't she not incredible?
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17. gkober+s9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:08:29
>>iandan+67
They're clearly related. He went from Chairman to "reporting to the CEO", meaning he either stepped down in protest or was also fired.

He won't be there in 6 months; this is just a crumb of continuity.

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18. __jem+P9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:10:22
>>koolba+d6
You know, minus sexually abusing his sister.
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19. jfk13+U9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:10:35
>>koolba+d6
> anybody that maintains close ties with their family and lives with them is a wholesome person

Alternative possibility: the family's a cult.

20. api+Z9[view] [source] 2023-11-17 21:10:55
>>gkober+(OP)
Worldcoin?
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21. concor+la[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:12:53
>>danpal+G6
Estranged family members of celebrities who need money normally aren't considered very credible.

I have no good way of assessing what the likelihood is that her claims are true.

22. arp242+oa[view] [source] 2023-11-17 21:13:00
>>gkober+(OP)
I have zero knowledge of Sam Altman in any shape or form and literally the only thing I know about him is that he runs (or well, ran) OpenAI.

But as a general point, you can be both a "good person" and still do bad things. Or you can be a good person in some areas, and a not-so-good person (or even horrible person) in some other areas. People are complex.

Of course it's entirely possible that Altman is just a really good person, but I wouldn't be quick to make assumptions.

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23. friend+La[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:14:12
>>danpal+G6
well id never heard of this, and im not a fan of the guy, but from my quick perusal online just now of the noise of this drama, id say no, shes not credible.
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24. Blackt+3b[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:15:24
>>bensec+08
> Not really, no. There will usually be allegations of malfeasance floating around a person for a while before any of them are brought to the wider public.

You mean, exactly like there been, from Sam Altman's sister?

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25. pianob+eb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:16:07
>>nebula+v7
Wasn't that Peter Thiel? Or did Sam do the same thing too?
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26. kdmcco+sb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:17:13
>>koolba+d6
You've got to be kidding. Really, are you kidding? That's an extremely weak litmus test for goodness.

Plenty of people maintain extremely close connections with their families while engaging in activies that are terrible for the world around them. Organized criminals. Terrorists. Business magnates. Political families. Corrupt police officers. Plenty of these groups are made out of tight-knit families.

It's common, dare I say human nature, to prioritize the needs of your family. That is honorable and important, but being a Good person requires caring about strangers too.

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27. JohnFe+Db[view] [source] 2023-11-17 21:17:53
>>gkober+(OP)
I first heard of him through the WorldCoin stuff, and nothing about that made him look like an upstanding person. That whole thing was/is shady as hell.

I certainly don't know him, but I see more reasons not to trust him than to trust him.

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28. pphysc+Jb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:18:20
>>rogerk+J1
The OpenAI x Dota 2 stuff was a bit shady. They really wanted the crown of beating human players at one of the most complex real-time games, but to do so they had to drastically simplify the game rules (removing most heroes, changing courier mechanics).

It would be like if AlphaGo could only win if the Go board was half as big. Not real fraud, but shows a clear willingness to cut corners and stretch ethics.

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29. ignora+Ob[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:18:43
>>arp242+oa
Unless Sam has managed to fool a bucket load of smart people, your prediction is very unlikely to be true (or rather, I don't want it to be true). Fuck.
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30. vinayp+Wb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:19:04
>>atleas+w3
More credible than $random_hn_guy
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31. kubric+Xb[view] [source] 2023-11-17 21:19:12
>>gkober+(OP)
I know Sam even less, but when I first moved to Valley a decade ago he went out of the way to help. I wanted try out a crazy startup idea on a student visa with limited connections in the Valley - he loved what I was doing and went above and beyond to help me out.

It forever tuned me in to the ethos of Silicon Valley. And I have tried paying back where I can.

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32. epolan+Ac[view] [source] 2023-11-17 21:21:53
>>gkober+(OP)
This sounds so naive, maybe google Worldcoin?

A person I've known all my life I could swear and trust him with anything was found out to have violated extremely young children and other stuff.

Stop pretending you know people, people don't even know themselves.

33. datafl+Ec[view] [source] 2023-11-17 21:22:23
>>gkober+(OP)
> I know I won't get a lot of love for this, but Sam is a really good person. I don't know him well, but I've known him since long before OpenAI.

"Good" is too blurry of a description, and I don't know Sam, but one thing I've learned (the hard way) is that you don't truly know someone unless you've had conflicts of interest with them and found mutually satisfying resolutions to them. If all you've had is mutually beneficial interactions, then of course everyone's going to be nice - it's in everyone's interests. You need to see how they act on nontrivial conflicts (either handling present ones, or mitigating/averting future ones) to really know if someone is a genuinely good person or not.

While this could hypothetically happen within an hour of meeting someone, it's more likely to take years or even decades... or might never even happen.

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34. whokno+2d[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:24:08
>>koolba+d6
Some might say a little too close.
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35. parthi+5d[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:24:17
>>ignora+Ob
See, SBF
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36. seanw4+wd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:26:18
>>shipsc+W8
If you have money and connections, the laws of the plebs are no longer relevant. You essentially have a right to keep and bear arms anywhere on Earth if you're rich enough.
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37. epolan+Md[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:27:24
>>rogerk+J1
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldcoin
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38. The_Co+Od[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:27:28
>>danpal+G6
What caught my eye was her claim about events when she was 4 years old. Just doesn't seem old enough for the memories and their interpretations to be reliable. I had 2 close encounters with UFO when I was 7-8 years old. Very vivid memories which I believed were 100% true until my thirties.
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39. datafl+Jf[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:35:22
>>JohnFe+Db
I'd never heard of that, but that definitely sounds shady. Thanks for mentioning it. To save people a search: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldcoin
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40. xwdv+9g[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:36:43
>>stavro+q3
I don’t know Sam Altman well but I do not think he’s a particularly good person, so there’s some counter-evidence.

Personally I welcome this shake up. Some of the things I’ve seen Altman write about are troubling.

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41. hyperd+lg[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:37:46
>>kdmcco+sb
SBF seems close to his family, too...
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42. hilux+3h[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:40:28
>>datafl+Ec
This is so true - and thank you for the very important reminder!

As I interview for new roles, it's a timely lesson, suggesting how to test what a new employer is -really- like.

43. baby+Vh[view] [source] 2023-11-17 21:43:57
>>gkober+(OP)
Organizations are systems, not people, if he put into place the right incentive structure then the company will go in a good direction with or without him. Arguably the structure is now set in stone with his departure.
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44. dylan6+Xh[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:44:04
>>parthi+5d
New rule on hiring a tech leader, don't be named Sam.
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45. riwsky+Ai[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:47:02
>>datafl+Ec
Ah yes—as the saying goes: “keep your friends at the Bayes-optimal distance corresponding to your level of confidence in their out-of-distribution behavior, and your enemies closer”
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46. vonnik+Gi[view] [source] 2023-11-17 21:47:25
>>gkober+(OP)
I second this. As someone who's operated in the startup and YC ecosystems for years, I've seen Sam help a lot of people with no clear upside for himself. He's a net plus to Silicon Valley and SF by a long shot.
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47. earthb+Ji[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:48:02
>>stavro+q3
You can know someone is a bad person from casual interaction, but not vice versa. There's basically no way to know if anyone intelligent is a good person without extremely intense surveillance. I guess with an unintelligent person, you can assume that they're not smart enough to hide if they're doing something really bad, but even then, maybe they're just playing dumb.
48. ChrisC+1j[view] [source] 2023-11-17 21:49:34
>>gkober+(OP)
Sure, "good person" may sound generic. But he is still a good person trying to do the right things. To me it sounds like the board is afraid of being sued and needs to clearly appoint a scapegoat.
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49. chefan+3j[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:49:44
>>ignora+Ob
Corporate malfeasance is not exclusive to tech and neither are collections of incredibly intelligent people.
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50. DirkH+Gj[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:53:16
>>JohnFe+Db
What's so shady about it?
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51. wicked+Ij[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:53:30
>>datafl+Ec
> you don't truly know someone unless you've had conflicts of interest with them

This hits a spot. I had a really nice boss.. Until we got into a conflict, then she tried to blackmail me, pressure me and break me. I learned why some people who left our company needed months to get back on their feet. I got out quite well and managed to push back, but it was a tough period.

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52. dist-e+Mj[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:53:39
>>danpal+G6
New Yorker is very progressive, and they worked for months on the article, yet they only mentioned in passing his sister accusations and didn't highlight them.
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53. ChainO+1k[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:54:43
>>seanw4+wd
until locals with more guns and much deeper trust affiliations with other locals decide your money is best spent as they see fit.
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54. arp242+Nk[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:58:49
>>ignora+Ob
It's not a prediction; it's a general comment that one shouldn't assume too much based on a limited number of datapoints, in this case someone who doesn't "know him well".

This works in two directions, by the way. In 2001 few would have expected that Bill Gates would spend much of his time on philanthropy. Is he a "good" or "bad" person? Well, he's both.

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55. koolba+Pk[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 21:58:52
>>kdmcco+sb
I think you completely missed the part about living with your siblings into your 30s.

With the exception of the brothers in the mafia or brother terrorists, none of your examples would meet that standard.

Being close with your family does not mean you’re not a good person elsewhere. It does not mean you don’t care about strangers. That you’d jump to that conclusion or bring up terrorists as a counter example makes me question your own personal experiences.

All else being equal, I’d expect someone with close family bonds to the point of living with them as an adult, when they clearly have the economic means to do otherwise, as a sign of a good human. That’s been my personal experience and that’s how I see the world.

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56. bredre+Al[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 22:04:12
>>datafl+Jf
Why would someone running OpenAI possibly be involved in something so unnecessarily speculative and unrelated?

I ask that question leaving out any of the socio-economic and privacy concerns around that project.

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57. mindcr+bm[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 22:07:51
>>nebula+v7
Is that normal person behavior?

Other than the part about having enough money to build a bunker in New Zealand, I'd say "yes".

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58. tomjak+xm[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 22:10:03
>>pianob+eb
Altman is a rich prepper who talks about it, like Thiel. He claimed his bug-out base is in Big Sur, not in NZ as far as I'm aware.
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59. blangk+4n[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 22:14:13
>>shipsc+W8
Would there be a better place or strategy?
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60. kelnos+cn[view] [source] 2023-11-17 22:14:43
>>gkober+(OP)
I do believe you are being genuine here, but good people still sometimes do bad things. Good people still have their blind spots, and the negative consequences of those blind spots are often exacerbated and have outsized (negative) impact on others when the person behind them is wealthy.

I've never met the man, but I can say I have not been impressed by his words and attitude in public. I never got the sense or feeling that he's actually doing right by the world.

Ultimately it doesn't matter if he's a good or bad person; what matters is what he's done.

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61. cmcale+dn[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 22:14:43
>>gkober+s9
Could also be pending investigation
62. user39+fn[view] [source] 2023-11-17 22:14:49
>>gkober+(OP)
Didn’t I just read a post about him abusing his sister? It seems impossible to judge people you don’t know well personally, and even then sometimes you can be surprisingly wrong.
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63. bulbos+gn[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 22:14:49
>>nebula+v7
> Is that normal person behavior?

Normal people suck and are generally dumb as a brick (including me). Normal people don't extrapolate calamities and don't think ten steps ahead.

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64. ChrisC+8o[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 22:20:18
>>The_Co+Od
What changed in you 30s?
65. oth001+lo[view] [source] 2023-11-17 22:21:09
>>gkober+(OP)
I don't want my eyeballs scanned though
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66. oth001+qp[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 22:26:09
>>gkober+l8
By scanning eyeballs and doing who knows what with that data? Idk
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67. mighty+Sp[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 22:27:58
>>datafl+Ec
Exceptionally well stated. This agrees with my experience as well.
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68. smsm42+Jr[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 22:35:39
>>Blackt+33
Actually no, it often is not how it works. For example, Harvey Weinstein's behavior has been "open secret" in certain circles way before the scandal exploded. Epstein has been known to be super shady way before he found his end in prison. Anthony "Carlos Danger" Weiner has been known for his exploits well before he finally was prosecuted. There are, of course, opposite cases, where certain sociopaths meticulously cultivate their benign image and hide their true colors. But often, the true colors are known if not widely, then at least by many people surrounding them. For a reasonably public person, it would be quite hard to lead a double life for a long time without anybody at all knowing.
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69. timeon+Or[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 22:35:56
>>ignora+Ob
Fooling someone, even smart person, is not that hard. It is just low-key.
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70. snowwr+Ss[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 22:40:34
>>ignora+Ob
Not intending to attack you here, but it's important to remember that smart people can get fooled as easily as anyone else.

"Smart" does not mean "hard to fool;" they are different characteristics.

You can fool someone if you have important information that they don't have--even if they are extremely smart.

71. adl+uu[view] [source] 2023-11-17 22:47:40
>>gkober+(OP)
Well, according to his sister, he used to molest her when he was 13, and she was 4, so...

https://twitter.com/phuckfilosophy/status/163570439893983232...

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72. rcbdev+Su[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 22:49:14
>>kubric+Xb
If that ethos doesn't involve illegally overstaying student visas like Musk or burning millions of dollars then have you really truly embraced the SV lifestyle?
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73. majest+5v[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 22:50:05
>>datafl+Ec
i could not say that any better.

I had a feeling the man was a bit of a con, of course I won't say I know for sure. But some of his actions, like his notorious eye scanning crypto project, or the fact that he was 100% in support of UBI and wanted to advocate for it only to go to different governments wanting regulations (that only benefitted them)

People really really need to pay attention to their actions, not their words, jeezus. We'll have another rogue Elon Musk who was once idol worshipped as the incredibly "brilliant" man...turned out he does some stupid things too only now he amassed billions of dollars he can pay his way out of stupid things.

People never learn. Stop idolizing businessmen.

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74. majest+Jv[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 22:52:44
>>bensec+08
None of that really matters. Look at Elon Musk, lots of weird spectacle. The man was lauded as one of the smartest man in the world...now he's kind of a bit of a loose cannon. People need to stop idol worship businessmen. They have a large motivation to make themselves into this human lovable charismatic person with no faults because it is very profitable to do so. Worse is when people buy into that.
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75. chanks+Vv[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 22:53:56
>>riwsky+Ai
Needs to be on a t-shirt lol
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76. Camper+Hw[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 22:57:22
>>danpal+G6
It seems unlikely that Altman arranged for her to be "shadowbanned" from every social media site except for OnlyFans and Pornhub(!), or that he has been engaged in hacking her WiFi.

If you actually look at the totality of her claims, there are probably more reasons to be skeptical than to accept her words unconditionally. About the only thing you can say for sure is that something really unfortunate is either happening to her now, or has happened in her past, for which she is unlikely to bear all the responsibility.

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77. kenjac+nx[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 23:01:34
>>ignora+Ob
He may not be fooling anyone. As someone else noted, if his interests and yours align you may be willing to look past his "badness". For example, Miles Bridges in the NBA. Seems like a genuinely bad guy who just got recactivated by an NBA team -- why? Probably because he can help them win games. I can almost guarantee no member of the front office would let their daughter date him, but they don't need him to be good for him to make them money.
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78. ctvo+0y[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 23:04:49
>>adl+uu
Paul Graham saw this guy and immediately went “pattern matches my ideal genius”. My goodness.
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79. danpal+Qy[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 23:09:34
>>Camper+Hw
OnlyFans and Pornhub are probably the only 2 "mainstream", "social media" companies that aren't really part of the SV tech scene.
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80. shrugg+cz[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 23:11:10
>>riwsky+Ai
This is too brilliant to be tucked away in the depths of a HN thread
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81. polish+Cz[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 23:12:51
>>koolba+d6
You should see what his sister writes about him...
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82. danpal+Dz[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 23:13:02
>>danpal+G6
My point with this comment was not necessarily that she is credible, but that the previous comment just assumed that she wasn't, seemingly without any consideration that she might be. This is the sort of attitude that perpetuates these sorts of accusations not being taken seriously.

We don't have to take everything potential victims say as fact and immediately act on it, but remaining open to the idea that those in power may be at fault, and not disregarding victims accusations goes a long way in supporting them.

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83. JohnFe+fC[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 23:25:56
>>DirkH+Gj
I should have said "sketchy" instead of "shady", as "shady" implies a criminality I don't mean to imply.

What's sketchy about it is that they were offering money to largely poor and technologically naive populations in exchange for gathering very sensitive biometric data from them. Identifying data that cannot be changed and can be used to track them without their knowledge. Their stated goal is to have every person on Earth take part, to boot. The whole idea couldn't set off more alarm bells if it tried.

I give them style points for using truly dystopian-looking "orbs" to do it, though.

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84. static+xC[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 23:27:14
>>koolba+Pk
Do you know a lot of married people who live with their siblings? Because I would think it is mainly a sign of relationship status.
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85. JohnFe+IC[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 23:28:03
>>bredre+Al
He started WorldCoin before OpenAI came around.
replies(1): >>jacobn+4H1
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86. kubric+oH[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 23:50:04
>>rcbdev+Su
I think you misunderstood that he helped me overstay my student visa etc.

I was in a Ph.D. program at a top CS school and there are ways to transition your visa when building a startup. It was that I was not sure if the transition or the startup would work out - that startup did not - but years later another one did.

I would probably not have taken the plunge out of academia and not achieved much else had it not been for him. And I am deeply grateful for that.

replies(1): >>rcbdev+yV1
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87. swalke+bI[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-17 23:54:20
>>friend+La
This was my reaction as well. If a competent doctor had prescribed her medication and she took herself off of it without medical supervision, I think it is pretty reasonable to condition money on going back on medication (or at least going back to medical supervision). Many people who have family members struggling with mental health concerns take this approach.
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88. int_19+pP[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 00:28:08
>>shipsc+W8
Back when this plan was publicized, you could legally own an AR-15 in New Zealand without much trouble.

It's still the case for bolt- and lever-action rifles and similar stuff.

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89. cloudk+HQ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 00:32:41
>>iandan+67
Confirmation https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1725667410387378559
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90. replwo+l21[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 01:38:28
>>The_Co+Od
What kind of encounters? What does close mean? As in…you saw one flying or one landed near you? Or you boarded it?
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91. digita+b81[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 02:12:42
>>vinayp+Wb
That’s an invalid argument. You’re switching from questioning one premise to comparing two premises.
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92. sci-ge+ll1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 03:58:10
>>riwsky+Ai
how do I save a HN comment ? Someone give this person a medal!
replies(1): >>Mandie+OF1
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93. ohblee+KC1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 06:06:05
>>riwsky+Ai
This is gold.
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94. oefnak+rF1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 06:31:04
>>riwsky+Ai
Thanks for making my day.
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95. Mandie+OF1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 06:37:05
>>sci-ge+ll1
Click the time it was posted (e.g. “2 hours ago”) and then “favorite”
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96. Out_of+6G1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 06:41:04
>>The_Co+Od
The claim that you cannot have x memories before a certain year is completely false. although unrelyable, children that have certain experiences can remember them.

I would go as far as to say we completely underestimate what children understand and remember because we're the ones that chose to forget.

replies(1): >>AuryGl+0I1
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97. jacobn+4H1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 06:50:35
>>JohnFe+IC
The Wikipedia page says world coin was founded in 2019?
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98. rpmism+PH1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 06:57:49
>>blangk+4n
All of Appalachia would be a better place. Anti-development, much more wildlife, not really an invasion target.
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99. AuryGl+0I1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 06:58:43
>>Out_of+6G1
A few days ago I thought I had uncovered a really bad memory from my childhood that I had buried. I realized a few minutes later that at one point I had dreamed the event and it never actually happened.

Conceivably the first part could happen without the second.

Frankly, I don't think we should ever give any credence to allegations that have absolutely no evidence. The road is too rocky. Most people have at least one person that dislikes them. The people that kind of attitude would affect generally have many. All it takes is one person willing to lie .

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100. AuryGl+eI1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 07:00:50
>>nebula+v7
If I had loads of money I would absolutely do the same.

It's insurance. For someone with an average income, it's not worth the cost of the .01% chance you'll need it. For someone with more money than they know what to do with, it's worth it.

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101. hatthe+EI1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 07:04:47
>>datafl+Ec
I learned this playing video games. After a while, I figured out that if I liked someone on my team, I should only friend them if we were losing. Otherwise, I might only like them in the 50% of games we win.
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102. hatthe+kK1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 07:20:42
>>pphysc+Jb
I was following their Dota project from the beginning, and I think what they did made sense. Their goal there was to demonstrate real time decision making and teamwork in a complex environment without perfect information. OpenAI Five did a splendid job of doing that.

I would view it as the equivalent of making self-driving cars that are constrained to a single city. Sure, it doesn't have the full capability that a human would have. But who cares.

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103. ex3ndr+qP1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 08:08:59
>>vonnik+Gi
isn't this is an upside? a lot of fraudulent people are very nice and help everyone around.
replies(1): >>vonnik+6lc
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104. rcbdev+yV1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 09:03:36
>>kubric+oH
I was just making a joke about how Silicon Valley, to some people on this planet, seems like an awful place that ignores some awful behavior when convenient. Embracing the "ethos" of such a place seems funny to me.

Never accused you of trying to illegally stay in the country or some such - I just referenced a famous South African Valley-man with a musky scent who did that.

105. qubit0+t72[view] [source] 2023-11-18 10:44:38
>>gkober+(OP)
The world is not binary - least of all human behavior which for overwhelming majority is more accurately described as shades of gray
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106. vonnik+6lc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-21 00:47:10
>>ex3ndr+qP1
Yeah, well, if you're nice and helpful to enough people eventually you cross a threshold to just being a good guy, at which point, the deranged behavior of a couple poorly qualified board members ceases to matter.
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