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1. crazyg+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-02-05 01:11:45
> This is exactly what Apple Intelligence should have been... They could have shipped an agentic AI that actually automated your computer instead of summarizing your notifications. Imagine if Siri could genuinely file your taxes, respond to emails, or manage your calendar by actually using your apps, not through some brittle API layer that breaks every update.

And this is probably coming, a few years from now. Because remember, Apple doesn't usually invent new products. It takes proven ones and then makes its own much nicer version.

Let other companies figure out the model. Let the industry figure out how to make it secure. Then Apple can integrate it with hardware and software in a way no other company can.

Right now we are still in very, very, very early days.

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2. calvin+n[view] [source] 2026-02-05 01:14:53
>>crazyg+(OP)
Apple literally lives on the "Cutting Edge" a-la XKCD [1]. My wife is an iPerson and she always tells me about these new features (my phone has had them since $today-5 years). But for her, these are brand new exciting things!

https://xkcd.com/606/

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3. lukevp+31[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 01:20:47
>>calvin+n
How many chat products has Google come out with? Google messenger, buzz, wave, meet, Google+, hangouts… Apple has iMessage and FaceTime. You just restated OP’s point. Apple evolves things slowly and comes to market when the problems have already been solved in a myriad of ways, so they can be solved once and consistently. It’s not about coming to market soonest. How did you get that from what OP said?
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4. eykana+41[view] [source] 2026-02-05 01:20:50
>>crazyg+(OP)
> ...Apple doesn't usually invent new products. It takes proven ones and then makes its own much nicer version.

While this was true about ten years ago, it's been a while since we've seen this model of software development from Apple succeed in recent years. I'm not at all confident that the Apple that gave us Mac OS 26 is capable of doing this anymore.

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5. bigyab+e1[view] [source] 2026-02-05 01:22:19
>>crazyg+(OP)
> Then Apple can integrate it with hardware and software in a way no other company can.

That's a pretty optimistic outlook. All considered, you're not convinced they'll just use it as a platform to sell advertisements and lock-out competitors a-la the App Store "because everyone does it"?

6. iwontb+l1[view] [source] 2026-02-05 01:23:27
>>crazyg+(OP)
Can you understand how this commoditizes applications? The developers would absolutely have a fit. There is a reason this hasn’t been done already. It’s not lack of understanding or capability, it’s financial reality. Shortcuts is the compromise struck in its place.
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7. calvin+T1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 01:28:11
>>lukevp+31
"It’s not about coming to market soonest. "

First Mover effect seems only relevant when goverment warrants are involved. Think radio licenses, medical patents, etc. Everywhere else, being a first mover doesnt seem to correlate like it should to success.

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8. weikju+02[view] [source] 2026-02-05 01:30:10
>>crazyg+(OP)
Personal intelligence, the (awkward) feature where you can take a screenshot and get Siri to explain stuff, and the new spotlight features where you can type out stuff you want to do in apps probably hints at that…
9. dchuk+Y2[view] [source] 2026-02-05 01:37:03
>>crazyg+(OP)
This is generally true only of them going to market with new (to them) physical form factors. They aren’t generally regarded as the best in terms of software innovation (though I think most agree they make very beautiful software)
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10. Pediat+63[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 01:38:25
>>eykana+41
Airtags were released in 2021, I'd say that counts, but generally I agree.
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11. Telema+C3[view] [source] 2026-02-05 01:41:59
>>crazyg+(OP)
Apple's niche product, consisting of like 1-4% of computer sales compared to its dominant MacBook line, is now flying off the shelf as a highly desired product, because of a piece of software that Apple didn't spend a dime developing. This sounds like a major win for Apple.

The OS maker does not have to make all the killer software. In fact, Apple's pretty much the only game in town that's making hardware and software both.

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12. drBonk+O3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 01:44:18
>>calvin+T1
Network effects.

See social media, bitcoin, iOS App Store, blu-ray, Xbox live, and I’m sure more I can’t think of rn.

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13. atonse+14[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 01:45:25
>>Pediat+63
Their hardware division has been killing it.

The software has been where most of the complaints have been in recent years.

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14. FireBe+74[view] [source] 2026-02-05 01:46:32
>>crazyg+(OP)
> And this is probably coming, a few years from now. Because remember, Apple doesn't usually invent new products. It takes proven ones and then makes its own much nicer version.

Except this doesn't stand up to scrutiny, when you look at Siri. FOURTEEN years and it is still spectacularly useless.

I have no idea what Siri is a "much nicer version" of.

> Apple can integrate it with hardware and software in a way no other company can.

And in the case of Apple products, oftentimes "because Apple won't let them".

Lest I be called an Apple hater, I have 3 Apple TVs in my home, my daily driver is a M2 Ultra Studio with a ProDisplay XDR, and an iPad Pro that shows my calendar and Slack during the day and comes off at night. iPhone, Apple Watch Ultra.

But this is way too worshipful of Apple.

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15. calvin+v4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 01:49:31
>>drBonk+O3
Network effects are maybe akin to "phsyical effects". Non-monopoly but physical space is also another 'first mover' type of moat.
16. huwser+R4[view] [source] 2026-02-05 01:52:10
>>crazyg+(OP)
I don’t believe this was ever confirmed by Apple, but there was widespread speculation at the time[1] that the delay was due to the very prompt injection attacks OpenClaw users are now discovering. It would be genuinely catastrophic to ship an insecure system with this kind of data access, even with an ‘unsafe mode’.

These kinds of risks can only be _consented to_ by technical people who correctly understand them, let alone borne by them, but if this shipped there would be thousands of Facebook videos explaining to the elderly how to disable the safety features and open themselves up to identity theft.

The article also confuses me because Apple _are_ shipping this, it’s pretty much exactly the demo they gave at WWDC24, it’s just delayed while they iron this out (if that is at all possible). By all accounts it might ship as early as next week in the iOS 26.4 beta.

[1]: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/8/delaying-personalized-s...

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17. neuman+f5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 01:55:07
>>Telema+C3
What are you referring to?
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18. lanake+K5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 01:58:34
>>neuman+f5
Probably the Mac Mini. A few OpenClaw users are buying the agent a dedicated device so that it can integrate with their Apple account.

For example: https://x.com/michael_chomsky/status/2017686846910959668.

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19. ajcp+M5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 01:58:44
>>neuman+f5
Mac-Minis
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20. dangus+b6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 02:02:20
>>calvin+n
A very tired “red versus blue” take here.

There are plenty of Android/Windows things that Apple has had for $today-5 years that work the exact same way.

One side isn’t better than the other, it’s really just that they copy each other doing various things at a different pace or arrive at that point in different ways.

Some examples:

- Android is/was years behind on granular permissions, e.g. ability to grant limited photo library access to apps

- Android has no platform-wide equivalent to AirTags

- Hardware-backed key storage (Secure Enclave about 5 years ahead of StrongBox)

- system-wide screen recording

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21. jacina+W6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 02:08:45
>>FireBe+74
Remember the time when the former members of the Siri team demoed a prototype for a more capable version of Siri and Apple didn't even use it
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22. ejoso+o7[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 02:11:45
>>FireBe+74
In that list of Apple products that you own, do none of them match the ops comment? You’re saying none of those products are or have been in their time in the market a perfected version of other things?

There are lots of failed products in nearly every company’s portfolio.

AirTags were mentioned elsewhere, but I can think of others too. Perfected might be too fuzzy & subjective a term though.

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23. fennec+t7[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 02:12:30
>>Pediat+63
I mean they literally just looked at Tile. And they have the benefit of running the platform. Demonstrates time and time again that they engage in anticompetitive behaviour.
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24. fennec+M7[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 02:15:33
>>lukevp+31
Pointless argument given that android isn't just "android". Never has been.

It's a huge, diverse ecosystem of players and that's probably why Android has always gotten the coolest stuff first. But it's also its achilles' heel in some ways.

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25. fennec+X7[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 02:16:30
>>dangus+b6
Android is an OS, not hardware tho so some of those can't really be judged equivalently.
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26. Neverm+l8[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 02:19:11
>>atonse+14
Their software efforts have little ambition. Tweaks and improvements are always a good idea, but without some ambitious effort, nothing special is learned or achieved.

A "bicycle for the mind" got replaced with a "kiosk for your pocketbook".

The Vision Pro has an amazing interface, but it's set up as a place to rent videos and buy throwaway novelty iPad-style apps. It allows you to import a Mac screen as a single window, instead of expanding the Mac interface, with its Mac power and flexibility, into the spacial world.

Great hardware. Interesting, but locked down software.

If Tim Cook wanted to leave a real legacy product, it should have been a Vision Pro aimed as an upgrade on the Mac interface and productivity. Apple's new highest end interface/device for the future. Not another mid/low-capability iPad type device. So close. So far.

$3500 for an enforced toy. (And I say all this as someone who still uses it with my Mac, but despairs at the lack of software vision.)

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27. daniel+u8[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 02:21:20
>>FireBe+74
Perhaps I’m misremembering, but I feel sure that Siri was much better a decade ago than it is today. Basic voice commands that used to work are no longer recognised, or required you to unlock the phone in situations where hands free operation is the whole point of using a voice command.
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28. cromka+G8[view] [source] 2026-02-05 02:22:30
>>crazyg+(OP)
File taxes? That's a tall order, especially juxtaposed with managing calendar or responding to emails.
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29. raw_an+O8[view] [source] 2026-02-05 02:24:22
>>crazyg+(OP)
Absolutely none of the things you quoted that he said an AI agent could do would I want be done for me and I doubt most other people would.
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30. cromka+R8[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 02:24:35
>>fennec+t7
No, they didn't just look at Tile. The used a completely new UWB radio technology with a completely new anonymization cryptographic paradigm allowing them to include every single device in network, transparently.

AirTag is a perfect example of their hardware prowess that even Google fails to replicate to this date.

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31. msy+Z8[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 02:26:23
>>Neverm+l8
Not just lack of ambition, lack of vision or taste. Liquid Glass is a step back in almost every way, that it got out the door is an indictment of the entire leadership chain.
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32. FireBe+69[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 02:27:15
>>daniel+u8
There were certain commands that worked just fine. But they, in Apple's way, required you to "discover" what worked and what didn't with no hints, and then there were illogical gaps like "this grouping should have three obvious options, but you can only do one via Siri".

And then some of its misinterpretations were hilariously bad.

Even now, I get at a technical level that CarPlay and Siri might be separate "apps" (although CarPlay really seems like it should be a service), and as such, might have separate permissions but then you have the comical scenario of:

Being in your car, CarPlay is running and actively navigating you somewhere, and you press your steering wheel voice control button. "Give me directions to the nearest Starbucks" and Siri dutifully replies, "Sorry, I don't know where you are."

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33. rl3+m9[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 02:30:03
>>cromka+G8
>File taxes?

Sure why not, what could go wrong?

"Siri, find me a good tax lawyer."

"Your honor, my client's AI agent had no intent to willfully evade anything."

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34. raw_an+x9[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 02:31:10
>>fennec+M7
Except operating system and security updates…
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35. anon37+6a[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 02:36:39
>>huwser+R4
Exactly. Apple operates at a scale where it's very difficult to deploy this technology for its sexy applications. The tech is simply too broken and flawed at this point. (Whatever Apple does deploy, you can bet it will be heavily guardrailed.) With ~2.5 billion devices in active use, they can't take the Tesla approach of letting AI drive cars into fire trucks.
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36. LeoPan+pb[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 02:47:23
>>neuman+f5
Do you want to know how I can tell you didn't read the article?
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37. dmix+Xb[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 02:51:15
>>anon37+6a
This is so obvious I'm kind of surprised the author used to be a software engineer at Google (based on his Linkedin).

OpenClaw is very much a greenfield idea and there's plenty of startups like Raycast working in this area.

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38. koolal+Qc[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 03:02:18
>>lanake+K5
Why would it need more than 1? Couldn't they do this with any Mac with an Apple account?
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39. FireBe+Bd[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 03:08:37
>>ejoso+o7
We're talking about Apple Intelligence here and its ... "precursor" ... Siri.

Both of which have been absolutely underwhelming if not outright laughable in certain ways.

Apple has done plenty right. These two, which are the closest to the article, are not it.

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40. vips7L+Vd[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 03:10:45
>>rl3+m9
These people live on another planet.
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41. vovavi+Zd[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 03:12:00
>>koolal+Qc
Mac Minis are perfect for locally running demanding models because they can effectively use ordinary RAM as VRAM.
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42. Nursie+8e[view] [source] 2026-02-05 03:12:56
>>crazyg+(OP)
> Imagine if Siri could genuinely file your taxes, respond to emails, or manage your calendar

> And this is probably coming, a few years from now.

Given how often I say "Hey Siri, fast forward", expecting her to skip the audio forward by 30 seconds, and she replies "Calling Troy S" a roofing contractor who quoted some work for me last year, and then just starts calling him without confirmation, which is massively embarassing...

This idea terrifies me.

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43. whatsu+Le[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 03:18:22
>>koolal+Qc
There are few open source projects coming along that let you sell your compute power in a decentralized way. I don't know how genuine some of these are [0] but it could be the reason: people are just trying to make money.

0. https://www.daifi.ai/

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44. treeta+Ue[view] [source] 2026-02-05 03:19:47
>>crazyg+(OP)
>> Imagine if Siri could genuinely file your taxes

Imagine if the government would just tell everyone how much they owed and obviated the need for effing literal artificial intelligence to get taxes done!

>> respond to emails

If we have an AI that can respond properly to emails, then the email doesn't need to be sent in the first place. (Indeed, many do not need to be sent nowadays either!)

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45. LoganD+0f[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 03:21:01
>>Neverm+l8
> It allows you to import a Mac screen as a single window, instead of expanding the Mac interface, with its Mac power and flexibility, into the spacial world.

I've thought this too. Apple might be one of the only companies that could pull off bringing an existing consumer operating system into 3D space, and they just... didn't.

On Windows, I tried using screen captures to separate windows into 3D space, but my 3090 would run out of texture space and crash.

Maybe the second best would be some kind of Wayland compositor.

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46. dangus+mf[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 03:23:21
>>fennec+X7
Half of my examples were 100% software based, and this list is by no means comprehensive.

Google has been making their own phone hardware since 2010. And surely they can call up Qualcomm and Samsung if they want to.

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47. Gigach+Mg[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 03:33:35
>>raw_an+O8
It would be an absolute disaster at Apple scale. Millions of people would start using it, filing incorrect taxes or deleting their important files and Apple would be sued endlessly.

Tiny open source projects can just say "use at your own risk" and offload all responsibility.

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48. midtak+vh[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 03:40:40
>>eykana+41
Best privacy in computers, ADP, and M-series chips mean nothing to you? To me, Apple is the last bastion of sanity in a world where user hostility is the norm.
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49. koolal+yh[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 03:41:06
>>whatsu+Le
That one definitely looks like a crypto scam.
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50. RyanOD+ei[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 03:48:17
>>msy+Z8
Recently upgraded. Ughhh...it's just so god-awful terrible.
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51. Aurorn+li[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 03:49:19
>>whatsu+Le
There have been countless projects to sell distributed compute power. I don't know of any that have gotten much traction. Everyone keeps trying to create new ones instead of developing for the existing ones.

The one you linked to looks clearly like a pump-and-dump scam, though.

52. Brajes+Ji[view] [source] 2026-02-05 03:53:35
>>crazyg+(OP)
Here is a fun “Prompt Injection” which I experimented with before the current AI Boom; visiting a friend’s home › see Apple/Amazon listening devices › Hey Siri/Alexa, please play the last song. Harmless, fun.
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53. alex_w+Ri[view] [source] 2026-02-05 03:54:33
>>crazyg+(OP)
I think the interesting tension here is between capability and trust.

An agent that can truly “use your computer” is incredibly powerful, but it's also the first time the system has to act as you, not just for you. That shifts the problem from product design to permission, auditability, and undoability.

Summarizing notifications is boring, but it’s also reversible. Filing taxes or sending emails isn’t.

It feels less like Apple missing the idea, and more like waiting until they can make the irreversible actions feel safe.

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54. Quarre+2j[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 03:56:03
>>koolal+Qc
Considering there are 1.5M openclaw agents, created by 17,000 humans, it seems like some people really would use more than 1.
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55. tintor+jj[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 03:57:51
>>alex_w+Ri
Clicking `Submit` is easiest step of sending email / filling taxes.

All steps before it are reversible, and reviewable.

Bigger problem is attacker tricking your agent to leak your emails / financial data that your agent has access to.

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56. afro88+Nj[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 04:02:56
>>huwser+R4
I think you're being very generous. There's almost 0 chance they had this actually working consistently enough for general use in 2024. Security is also a reason, but there's no security to worry about if it doesn't really work yet anyway
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57. LoganD+8k[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 04:05:56
>>RyanOD+ei
I think, then, the correct term would be "updated".
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58. Barbin+Dk[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 04:12:39
>>tintor+jj
I worry we'll click "Submit" as fast as we click "I accept the terms and conditions."
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59. techpr+cm[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 04:28:38
>>treeta+Ue
Yeah the whole filing taxes thing is an epic XY-problem. Governments can make this as easy as a digital signature, there’s zero need for an agent of any kind.

Actually most of the things people use it for is of this kind, instead actually solving the problem (which is out of scope for them to be fair) it’s just adding more things on top that can go wrong.

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60. karlsh+Qm[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 04:36:41
>>koolal+Qc
It appears he is selling a service where he comes to you (optionally with a Mac Mini which is probably why he's buying multiple) and sets up OpenClaw for you.
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61. jb1991+Um[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 04:37:36
>>neuman+f5
The entire point of the article is about the Mac mini sales flying through the roof because of this.
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62. jb1991+4n[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 04:38:52
>>LeoPan+pb
Do you want to know how I can tell that you did not read the hacker news guidelines.
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63. eykana+5n[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 04:38:55
>>midtak+vh
As said elsewhere, success in hardware does not translate to success in software.

Privacy is definitely good but it's not at all an example of the success mentioned in the parent comment. It's deep in the company culture.

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64. treeta+xo[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 04:57:07
>>techpr+cm
Seriously. The best solution is not having the problem in the first place. Something something Tao Te Ching.
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65. hjoutf+5p[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 05:03:00
>>vovavi+Zd
but people dont use OpenClaw with local models
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66. rl3+bp[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 05:03:58
>>vips7L+Vd
It seems to be a common place of residence lately.
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67. hjoutf+cp[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 05:04:01
>>Quarre+2j
if you are counting reported moltbook accounts there are not, the API was spammed by scripts to create accounts
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68. doctor+ip[view] [source] 2026-02-05 05:06:22
>>crazyg+(OP)
every time i've heard someone's speculations about what apple intelligence could have been, it's a complex conspiracy. its problem is that it sucks and makes them no money, so they didn't ship it.
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69. wolvol+Fq[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 05:21:54
>>lukevp+31
Android isn't all about Google. Where I live everyone uses WhatsApp and Telegram, both of which have nothing to do with Google.
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70. laruss+hr[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 05:26:51
>>Nursie+8e
Also in the good old days if you sealed the wrong number you had some time to just hang up without harm done. Today the connection is made the moment you pressed the button or in this case when Siri decided to call.

Happened to me too while being in the car. With every message written by Siri it feels like you need to confirm 2 or 3 times (I think it is only once but again) but it calls happily people from your phone book.

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71. Espres+gs[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 05:36:20
>>msy+Z8
Not if the idea is to tank old phone performance to sell new phone hardware!
72. bushba+Ms[view] [source] 2026-02-05 05:40:31
>>crazyg+(OP)
People forget that “multi touch” and “capacitive touchscreens” were not Apple inventions. They existed prior to the iPhone. The iPhone was just the first “it just works” adaptation of it
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73. jtbayl+Rt[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 05:51:53
>>Barbin+Dk
Of course we would!

How in the world can you double check the AI-generated tax filing without going back and preparing your taxes by hand?

You might skim an ai-written email.

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74. puppym+cu[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 05:55:45
>>anon37+6a
Regardless of how Apple will solve this, please just solve it. Siri is borderline useless these days.

> Will it rain today? Please unlock your iphone for that

> Any new messages from Chris? You will need to unlock your iphone for that

> Please play youtube music Playing youtube music... please open youtube music app to do that

All settings and permission granted. Utterly painful.

replies(2): >>blks+5Q >>Kaiser+mS
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75. beepbo+lw[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 06:18:24
>>karlsh+Qm
That truly cant be it right? This is like satire? How much do you even charge for that?
76. uh_uh+Gx[view] [source] 2026-02-05 06:31:04
>>crazyg+(OP)
> Because remember, Apple doesn't usually invent new products. It takes proven ones and then makes its own much nicer version.

Funny seeing this repeated again in response to Siri which is just... not very good.

replies(1): >>bratwu+LX
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77. Freedo+pB[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 07:06:24
>>atonse+14
Agreed, especially as we all have and use our Vision Pros daily.
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78. master+zC[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 07:18:58
>>huwser+R4
The more interesting question I have is if such Prompt Injection Attacks can ever be actualy avoided, with how GenAI works.
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79. rhubar+IC[view] [source] 2026-02-05 07:19:56
>>crazyg+(OP)
I would guess, and it is a guess, that there are two reasons apple is “behind” in AI. First, they have nowhere near the talent pool or capability in this area. They’re not a technical research lab. For the same reason you don’t expect apple to win the quantum race, they will not lead on AI. Second, AI is a half baked product right now and apple try to ship products that properly work. Even Vision Pro is remarkably polished for a first version. AI on the other hand is likely to suffer catastrophic security problems, embarrassing behaviour, distinctly family-unfriendly output.

Apple probably realised they were hugely behind and then spent time hand wringing over whether they remained cautious or got into the brawl. And they decided to watch from the sidelines, buy in some tech, and see how it develops.

So far that looks entirely reasonable as a decision. If Claude wins, for example, apple need only be sure Claude tools work on Mac to avoid losing users, and they can second-move once things are not so chaotic.

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80. larodi+bD[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 07:23:33
>>master+zC
Perhaps not, and it is indeed not unwise from Apple to stay away for a while given their ultra-focus on security.
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81. ljm+yP[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 09:09:21
>>dmix+Xb
I'm not that surprised because of how pervasive the 'move fast and break things' culture is in Silicon Valley, and what is essentially AI accelerationism. You see this reflected all over HN as well, e.g. when Cloudflare goes down and it's a good thing because it gives you a break from the screen. Who cares that it broke? That's just how it is.

This is just not how software engineering goes in many other places, particularly where the stakes are much higher and can be life altering, if not threatening.

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82. blks+5Q[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 09:12:59
>>puppym+cu
Do you want people being able to command your phone without unblocking? Maybe what you want is to disable phone blocking all together
replies(2): >>anhner+KU >>eisfre+8X
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83. kaashi+bS[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 09:31:07
>>midtak+vh
Apple is certainly the least worst but man... Liquid Glass. Windows bordering on the circular...
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84. Kaiser+mS[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 09:32:06
>>puppym+cu
Right, but you understand why allowing access to unauthenticated voice is bad for security right?
replies(1): >>anhner+yU
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85. codeul+VS[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 09:36:28
>>huwser+R4
Its hard to come up with useful AI apps that aren't massive security or privacy risks. This is pretty obvious. For an agent to be really useful it needs to have access to [important stuff] but giving an AI access to [important stuff] is very risky. So you can get some janky thing like OpenClaw thats thrown together by one guy and has no boundaries and everyone on HN thinks is great, but its going to be very difficult for a big firm to make a product like that for mass consumption without it risking a massive disaster. You can see that Apple and Microsoft and Salesforce and everyone are all wrestling with this. Current LLMs are too easily hoodwinked.
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86. anhner+yU[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 09:50:04
>>Kaiser+mS
But you understand why if I don't care about that, I should be able to run it, right?
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87. anhner+KU[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 09:51:03
>>blks+5Q
Oh no, what if they put on Christmas music playlist in February? the horror!

There should exist something between "don't allow anything without unlocking phone first" and "leave the phone unlocked for anyone to access", like "allow certain voice commands to be available to anyone even with phone locked"

replies(2): >>Anelya+Na1 >>ninken+oh1
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88. eisfre+8X[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 10:12:31
>>blks+5Q
Not really. Giving the weather forecast or playing music seems pretty low risk to me.
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89. bratwu+LX[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 10:17:39
>>uh_uh+Gx
hey siri can set the egg timer 90% of the time corectly! Find me another multitrillion dollar company that is able to pull that off!

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90. Quarre+GZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 10:35:03
>>hjoutf+cp
This was on HN a few days ago, I wasn't counting anything:

https://www.wiz.io/blog/exposed-moltbook-database-reveals-mi...

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91. Ono-Se+791[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 12:01:04
>>master+zC
They could be if models were trained properly, with more carefully delineated prompts.
92. PlatoI+sa1[view] [source] 2026-02-05 12:12:34
>>crazyg+(OP)
>It takes proven ones and then makes its own much nicer version.

I think you repeated their marketing, I don't believe this is actually true.

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93. Anelya+Na1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 12:16:08
>>anhner+KU
Can it not recognize my voice? I had to record the pronunciation of 100 words when I setup my new iPhone - isn’t there a voice signature pattern that could be the key to unlock?
replies(1): >>anhner+Df1
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94. lostms+Wc1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 12:35:33
>>Brajes+Ji
Google TV did "show passport photos" back in 2017. My friends loved it!
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95. Purple+Cd1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 12:40:41
>>master+zC
Removing the risk for most jobs should be possible. Just build the same cages other apps already have. Also add a bit more transparency, so people know better what the machine is doing, maybe even with a mandatory user-acknowledge for potential problematic stuff, similar to how we have root-access-dialogues now. I mean, you don't really need access to all data, when you are just setting a clock, or playing music.
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96. anhner+Df1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 12:55:38
>>Anelya+Na1
It certainly should have been a feature up until now. However, I think at this point anyone can clone your voice and bypass it.

But as a user I want to be able to give it permission to run selected commands even with the phone locked. Like I don't care if someone searches google for something or puts a song via spotify. If I don't hide notifications when locked, what does it matter that someone who has my phone reads them or listens to them?

97. _se+Nf1[view] [source] 2026-02-05 12:56:43
>>crazyg+(OP)
How do people manage to pick such bad examples? Who in their right mind would ever allow an LLM to FILE THEIR TAXES for them. Absolutely insane behavior. Why would anyone think this is probably coming? Do you think the IRS is going to accept "hallucination lol" as an excuse for misfiling?
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98. Purple+Rf1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 12:57:05
>>treeta+Ue
How can government know how much you owe them when they don't know all your tax deductibles?
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99. wqaatw+Ug1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 13:05:29
>>Telema+C3
Really doubt it has a significant impact on mac mini sales…

And being fair ClawBot is a complete meme/fad at this point rather than an actual product. Using it for anything serious is pretty much the equivalent of throwing your credit cards, ids and sticky notes with passwords and waiting to see what happens…

I do see the appeal and potential case of the general concept of course. The product itself (and the author has admitted it themselves) is literally is a garbage pile..

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100. ninken+oh1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 13:08:13
>>anhner+KU
Playing music doesn’t require unlocking though, at least not from the Music app. If YouTube requires an unlock that’s actually a setting YouTube sets in their SiriKit configuration.

For reading messages, IIRC it depends on whether you have text notification previews enabled on the lock screen (they don’t document this anywhere that I can see.) The logic is that if you block people from seeing your texts from the lock screen without unlocking your device, Siri should be blocked from reading them too.

Edit: Nope, you’re right. I just enabled notification previews for Messages on the lock screen and Siri still requires an unlock. That’s a bug. One of many, many, many Siri bugs that just sort of pile up over time.

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101. wqaatw+Dh1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-05 13:09:13
>>Quarre+2j
Are you saying that software is THAT inefficient so that you can’t run a few hundred of them on a single Mac Mini? : D
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