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People on plant based diets probably are healthier on this metric than others, on average. But I wonder if that’s more of a case that the control group generally has a shit diet?

Would love to know if a primarily plant based diet (lots of varied vegetables, berries, nuts and fruit) + some lean meat and plenty of seafood on top would be as healthy as plant based, or healthier even?

>>dharma+(OP)
I've been dabbling in plant based for a while, personally, anything that is super nutrient dense works really at helping me feel at 110%. I have meat once in a while, what I noticed was if I ate the same amount of protein via plants, then I'd get 10x the micro nutrients. My theory is getting 100g protein and having a lot of micro nutrients actually absorbed by your body is the trick.

>>dharma+(OP)
You can definitely be vegetarian and still be unhealthy. Excessive pasta, bread and cheese is one good path, but also processed foods and sugars. It gets a lot harder to be unhealthy when you're vegan but nothing is impossible.

Many of the other blue zones are heavy on the seafood, but on the flip side there are problems with seafood that have nothing to do with the actual fish themselves and everything to do with chemicals and the way we're trashing out planet.

>>AnEro+k2
>anything that is super nutrient dense works really at helping me feel at 110%

Can you explain to us what it feels like to "feel at 110%"?

>then I'd get 10x the micro nutrients

10x some micro nutrients, and 0x others.

>>vertis+43
I grew up around a lot of Seventh Day Adventists who are mostly vegetarian and they had lots of healthy people but _also_ a good few morbidly obese people who had diets with a lot of dairy and carbs. I suspect the latter might have benefited from being able to satisfy cravings for savory with things like lean chicken breast, etc.

I like a plant-based diet myself and have been on and off them over life, but the one habit that seems to keep me healthier than others is avoiding bread, pasta, and cheese.

>>CalRob+e6
Ah yes, I've definitely struggled personally with a deep love of cheese and pasta. It's not and can never be a silver bullet. It still requires dilligence. Eating well is such a hassle. SO SO much easier to eat badly.

Edit: it's also statistical, not everyone is going to be healthier.

>>dharma+(OP)
Unfortunately, any meat is unhealthy unless it's freshly caught, or served right after hunting.

The preservative used for meat curing is a known carcinogen, and can't be replaced with any other known substance. Skipping it is also not an option, as botulism is a huge risk.

>>itsokt+06
>Can you explain to us what it feels like to "feel at 110%"?

Hyperbole to quickly explain that my skin is better, my hormone levels are more even, better sleep makes my mood better, less brain fog. So some objective facts like I've improved my skin texture, and better sleep (longer, less interruptions, easier to get to sleep). Then a few subjective things like mood, brain fog, body doesn't hurt as much working out.

Side note I also feel fuller longer and have a hard time over eating, mostly due to having a large amount of both protein and fiber. So its helped me stay much leaner as someone that has issues with bingeing

>10x some micro nutrients, and 0x others.

I think a lot of the reason why it works is that it forces you to be aware of that 0x, and build verity into your diet. I have eggs, quinoa, milk, varieties of beans and nuts to help me meet that 0x, but I also have meat every few weeks you know?

I just started to think about meat being like 15% of the meal not 40%, but protein still be to focus calories wise. So if I made a taco salad it is closer to a 2 to 1 ratio of beans to meat over a kale/spinach mixed with quinoa with a lot of salsa and a little cheese

Plant based as I understand it mostly just means fill your calories with plants first then others like diary, eggs, meats etc. I think its much healthier than restrictive diets like keto, vegan, etc where you flat out can't have some foods. Foods just started to feel like a gradient of more to less optimal

>>vertis+T6
Absolutely! I found most advice about what to eat to be mediocre, and I'm at a decent weight now (185lb/85 kg, long ago I was 280 lb/127 kg - I could stand to lose a few kg but could be worse) and all that really works is what I call "veg mountain". Basically just eating an absolutely enormous amount of vegetables so I actually feel full. Air fryers help a lot for this, brussels sprouts are pretty filling in particular.

I eat meat too, though. Almost entirely chicken and fish. It would be really hard otherwise, though I do like tofu and a lot of meat substitutes.

>>AnEro+pu
plant based doesn't usually include any meat but yours sounds like a great diet