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1. akolbe+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-10-12 10:43:32
The issue is that they make it sound like they are struggling to have enough money to keep Wikipedia running when they are actually wealthier than ever before.

The whole premise of Wikipedia (or aspiration, at least, and yes, not always fulfilled ...) is that people should have information so they can't be manipulated.

It kind of sucks to see the very organisation hosting the site do the opposite, don't you think?

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2. magica+k1[view] [source] 2022-10-12 10:56:39
>>akolbe+(OP)
Indeed, it's highly manipulative. Wikimedia does way more than "just" Wikipedia, and the majority of the money goes to these other activities. Now, I'm not saying that's bad, some of those activities might be well worth it.

But the banners I've seen have invariably been about the imminent demise of Wikipedia. Not that they got lots of other side projects they want funded.

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3. ianai+o1[view] [source] 2022-10-12 10:57:24
>>akolbe+(OP)
Marketing. They hired someone(s) with marketing experience.
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4. pastag+E1[view] [source] 2022-10-12 10:59:32
>>akolbe+(OP)
Wikimedia is vital to Wikipedia, they have little money and pay their exec too little for what they do. IMHO.
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5. _glsb+i2[view] [source] 2022-10-12 11:05:49
>>akolbe+(OP)
They don't though. The banner has a whiny tone, but never do they say that they are struggling to keep the site up.
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6. akolbe+I2[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 11:09:44
>>pastag+E1
Then they should tell donors and prospective donors what they do. As ever, all the content is written by unpaid volunteers (or people paid by others), but still the Wikimedia Foundation's spending doubles every few years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation#Financial...

What's it for? Tell donors what they are funding.

And somehow the priorities are wrong. The Wikimedia Foundation has annual 8-figure surpluses, but volunteers are writing open letters to complain that the Foundation fails to update and maintain critical aspects of the software:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Think_big_-_open_...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Coo...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2...

What the WMF does produce, however, is reams and reams of words about "strategy", "leadership", "codes of conduct" etc.

And millions of dollars are given away to progressive organisations that have nothing to do with Wikipedia:

https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@list...

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7. Macha+33[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 11:13:08
>>pastag+E1
Just because some wikimedia activities (primarily legal compliance, financial management, contractual work for hosting) are vital to wikipedia does not mean others are (arbiter of other charities, social causes, events, etc). And by budget spend and headcount allocation, there's far more of the latter yet they portray it as if it's the former that is at risk
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8. Macha+j3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 11:15:04
>>_glsb+i2
Oh please, the mentions of having to seek alternative funding models like subscriptions and ads are clearly meant to raise the image of a site on the brink of unsustainability to potential donors
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9. omnico+l3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 11:15:09
>>_glsb+i2
Read the screenshot: "... humbly ask you to defend Wikipedia's independence", "if you donate... Wikipedia could keep thriving for years".

The question as to whether this is manipulative isn't "is there are any clear statement of fact that is unambiguously a lie even in the most charitable possible interpretation?", it's "will this make ill-informed readers think their donations are necessary for Wikipedia's survival, and is this impression created deliberately?"

I think that's a very obvious "yes and yes".

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10. shadow+C3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 11:17:34
>>akolbe+I2
> Tell donors what they're funding

Wikimedia has a 100/100 transparency rating.

https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/200049703

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11. microm+a4[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 11:22:08
>>akolbe+I2
it’s not at all unusual for an organization to donate to support the society it operates in
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12. Macha+k4[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 11:23:01
>>shadow+C3
Notably none of the criteria measured in that rating consider their marketing. So yes their policies and filings exist, but those are not what they're presenting to potential donors, so do not prove the ads are not misleading
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13. zelphi+M4[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 11:27:55
>>ianai+o1
Half-truths. They hired someone with half-truths (bordering on lies) experience.
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14. sokolo+m5[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 11:31:19
>>_glsb+i2
Read the donation page and see if you feel the same way:

https://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Landi...

We ask you, humbly, to help.

We'll get straight to the point: Today we ask you to defend Wikipedia's independence.

We're a non-profit that depends on donations to stay online and thriving, but 98% of our readers don't give; they simply look the other way. If everyone who reads Wikipedia gave just a little, we could keep Wikipedia thriving for years to come. The price of a cup of coffee is all we ask.

...

We know that most people will ignore this message. But if Wikipedia is useful to you, please consider making a donation of or whatever you can to protect and sustain Wikipedia.

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15. akolbe+U5[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 11:34:52
>>_glsb+i2
I agree with the other replies.

Also, last year, the then-Wikimedia CEO Katherine Maher was on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah. (The wife of the WMF’s PR consultant, the Clinton Foundation’s Craig Minassian, works on the show as a producer.)

In the interview, Noah put it to Maher that the downside of being a non-profit is that “you often struggle to have enough money to keep Wikipedia up and running. So, two parts. One, is that true and how does it affect you, and then, two, why would you make this thing if it’s not going to make you money?”

Maher’s cheerful answer made no reference to the WMF’s vast money reserves, but emphasised that Wikipedia’s lack of ads was responsible for the site being so trusted today.

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/wikipedia-endownemnt-fundrais...

If you are in the US, you can view the interview clip here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKdn1s9Sjfo&t=270s

If you're in the UK or Europe, use a VPN (Opera e.g. has got one built in).

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16. akolbe+J6[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 11:41:49
>>Macha+j3
The implied subscription threat is a complete red herring. They should be ashamed for even mentioning it in their fundraising messages.

Wikipedians wouldn't work for free for a subscription service. The whole project would fork to a new host. The Wikimedia Foundation's own mission statement says, "The Foundation will make and keep useful information from its projects available on the internet free of charge, in perpetuity."

https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/mission/

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17. chesch+O6[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 11:42:19
>>zelphi+M4
Corporate wants you to find the difference between these two.
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18. LightG+e7[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 11:44:47
>>zelphi+M4
So. Marketing?
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19. kordle+ac[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 12:19:48
>>LightG+e7
It is possible to raise interest in something without lying about it. Whether you will fully understand it or not is up to you.
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20. denton+hd[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 12:25:53
>>akolbe+J6
Much the same applies to the Mozilla Foundation.

You can't contribute donations to Firefox; you can only contribute to the Mozilla Foundation, which spends most of the money it gets from donations on things that aren't Firefox.

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21. Silver+od[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 12:26:38
>>akolbe+I2
"The Wikimedia Foundation defines racial equity as shifting away from Eurocentricity, White-male-imperialist-patriarchal supremacy, superiority, power and privilege..."

from the knowledge equity fund page. what the heck

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22. m4lvin+Md[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 12:29:21
>>akolbe+U5
Side note: No VPN needed, the video is not gebolocked, at least ffrom NL.
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23. criley+zg[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 12:47:54
>>kordle+ac
This is loser logic. It's possible to play by self-imposed self-hindering rules, sure, but your competitors probably aren't. In business, you play the game that exists, not the game you want to exist. Politics is how you do the "game you want to exist" part.
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24. agumon+2i[view] [source] 2022-10-12 12:55:40
>>akolbe+(OP)
My reluctance to donating again to wikipedia lies almost entirely on the subtext of their communication. There's a dissonance between the class of the project, the alleged finances, the in-your-face popups (some years it was half the page).
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25. the_on+6i[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 12:56:06
>>zelphi+M4
Sounds like marketing
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26. Michae+fk[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 13:06:29
>>akolbe+U5
A significant amount of their donations came in during 2021 and 2022.

That episode of the Daily Show was around April 2021. So, their funds were much smaller then.

From the article: “In 2021, the appeals raised a total of $162 million, a 50% year-on-year increase.

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27. JohnFe+Dl[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 13:13:29
>>criley+zg
This line of thinking is how we get dystopia.
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28. mattkr+8m[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 13:15:30
>>Silver+od
Meh.

A good encyclopedia would present information from myriad perspectives, not just whatever happened to be "dominant." I want my article about Christoper Colombus to talk about how 19th century immigrants to America, especially Italians, found him inspirational, but also about how he was brutal, greedy, and ineffectual.

(The current Wikipedia article is actually not bad on that front).

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29. Jwarde+Ln[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 13:22:41
>>magica+k1
Weird, I haven't seen any recent banners frame it in terms of demise of Wikipedia. The urgent banners I've seen are about the time to complete the fund drive. Along the lines of: If X% of users paid $Y then the goal would be reached in Z minutes.

If you assume the fund drive exists to help keep the lights on then I think it is natural to treat it as an existential issue for Wikipedia, but that doesn't seem to match the specific language used.

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30. throwo+wo[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 13:25:57
>>agumon+2i
It was greater than a half-page this year for me. It should be added to adblockers at This point
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31. akolbe+Tp[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 13:32:09
>>Jwarde+Ln
This is just another psychological trick. They vastly exceed even their own revenue targets. Compare goals and results:

2020/2021 revenue goal: $108M, increased to $125M, total at end of year: $154M

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AWikim...

2021/2022 revenue target: $150M, already exceeded by end of quarter 3, weeks before the start of the fundraiser in India, South Africa and South America:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AF%26A...

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32. otherm+Vs[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 13:46:25
>>Jwarde+Ln
The banner shown in the article has a subtle tone of demise: if you don't donate, Wikipedia itself stops being independent, could not thrive, could not give reliable or independent info. And then the money is primarily spent in things other than Wikipedia. They never state or at least insinuate where the money go.
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33. jasonl+at[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 13:47:27
>>Macha+k4
https://wikimediafoundation.org/

How is this misleading? They provide an incredibly large amount of information.

And more information can be found here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation#Disputes

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34. Cthulh+Eu[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 13:53:44
>>agumon+2i
I mean I'd be more amenable if they had a less in-your-face donation option running year round.
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35. Macha+9x[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:04:58
>>jasonl+at
That is not the place donors get sent, nor the content of the ads shown to potential donors. The ads are screenshotted in the linked article and they lead here: https://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Landi...

Yes, users can go elsewhere to find the information. The records are on file in the metaphorical filing cabinet downstairs. But if the messaging you're putting front and center contradicts said records, their existence doesn't counter criticism of the messaging

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36. gibolt+Vx[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:08:22
>>otherm+Vs
This sounds like the exact CTA of countless YouTubers asking for Patreon support. No level of coffers or ever increasing support changes their ask. (which to me is ok)
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37. blulul+Xx[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:08:34
>>jasonl+at
There are laws against fine print for a reason. The front page pop up ad tells a different story than a stack of text heavy articles that require no small amount of technical expertise to figure out.
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38. LightG+py[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:11:35
>>kordle+ac
I agree. It is possible. But this feels like a case of 'the exceptions prove the rule'.
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39. samiam+qy[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:11:41
>>zelphi+M4
that sounds like a typical marketing though.
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40. jevgen+hz[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:15:23
>>sokolo+m5
Yes, it's in a whiny tone. The fact that it will go down is your interpretation. An alternative interpretation could be "98% of people get asymmetric value out of Wikipedia, please make it less asymmetric".

In fact, if they stop begging, what percentage of their users will contribute? Will it remain at 2%?

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41. rat998+xz[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:16:56
>>Michae+fk
They were rich way before that. You can find older articles about it.
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42. shadow+Tz[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:18:39
>>Macha+9x
"Elsewhere" in this case is the FAQ link at the bottom of the donation page. If a person has questions, that's what an FAQ is for.

Calls to action are kept intentionally short because the research on human psychology is clear: every additional sentence beyond the first few decreases the odds of a conversion (that's adspeak for "closing the deal").

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43. shadow+7A[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:19:44
>>blulul+Xx
> The are laws against fine print for a reason

Has Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation broken any?

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44. _glsb+qA[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:21:01
>>omnico+l3
I mean, it's basic English. "Independence" doesn't mean "just enough for server maintenance" and "thriving" doesn't mean "barely surviving".
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45. sokolo+KA[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:22:31
>>jevgen+hz
What else would "We ask you, humbly, to help...We're a non-profit that depends on donations to stay online" mean if not to raise the possibility to go down is present?
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46. jevgen+5B[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:23:36
>>Macha+j3
Sure. And if you accept those images or not is your thing. Their banners are super annoying at only 2% conversion rate. What will it be without those banners?
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47. _glsb+EB[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:25:13
>>sokolo+KA
That they are a non-profit funded by donations, maybe? Just a wild guess. /s
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48. catchn+pC[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:27:40
>>JohnFe+Dl
*got
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49. insane+wC[view] [source] 2022-10-12 14:28:12
>>akolbe+(OP)
I haven't seen those banners and the pushy appears from Jimmy Wales in a long time.
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50. lillec+JC[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:29:04
>>JohnFe+Dl
Sounds like he read the acts of Purdue Pharma and DuPont as a manual for how to operate a business.
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51. Macha+MC[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:29:19
>>shadow+Tz
Yes, this is also why it lies, lying to make the situation seem more ominous also increases the odds of a conversion.

But effectiveness doesn't imply ethicality, so "but it's effective" is not a defense against criticism of ethics.

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52. agumon+RC[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:30:03
>>Cthulh+Eu
I have the same idea. A tiny pastel margin block would make me donate easily. A simple 1 or 2 clicks process and that's it.

I don't know how much experience they have, maybe stats say that subtle UX don't generate enough donations, while massive hated popups still bring massively more money. I hope so..

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53. omnico+gF[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:38:23
>>_glsb+qA
They have enough money to fund wikipedia in perpetuity several times over. Wikipedia's independence and thrivingness aren't at any risk whatsoever, even if donations were to completely stop immediately.

The donations are used for side projects almost all donors are completely unaware of, whose existence and nature are not hinted at in the ads soliciting donations.

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54. ztgasd+xI[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 14:53:45
>>gibolt+Vx
The difference is that most YouTubers are leagues smaller than Wikipedia. The message is the same but the context is wildly different.
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55. akolbe+6K[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:00:37
>>Michae+fk
Back in 2015, the Washington Post published an article titled "Wikipedia has a ton of money. So why is it begging you to donate yours?":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/12...

At the time they had reported net assets in excess of $77 million. Even by mid-2020, that had increased to $180 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation#Financial...

The Wikimedia Foundation had an 8-figure surplus in 9 of the last 10 years. The only exception was 2013/2014, where the surplus was "only" $8.3M. That was their "worst year" in the last ten years. The Wikimedia Foundation has beaten its own annual revenue record every year of its existence.

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56. akolbe+pO[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:16:49
>>Silver+od
The funny thing is that the Wikimedia Foundation is trying to get volunteers in Africa and India to edit and contribute content for free – content which then feeds the search engines and voice assistants of trillion-dollar US companies who do their damnedest not to pay tax in the countries in which they operate.

Yeah, let's get away from imperialism and patriarchalism ...

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57. akolbe+IU[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:40:25
>>jevgen+hz
You mean, what percentage of users will pay for using a website advertised as "The Free Encyclopedia", written by unpaid volunteers?

Just saying. If the WMF were working flat out on serving the volunteer community it would be a different matter. But it's taken on a life of its own, with Wikipedia as its cash cow.

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58. jerf+rW[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:47:01
>>gibolt+Vx
Patreon supporters generally know where their money is going: Straight into the YouTuber's (or whatever) pocket. That's the goal of the contributor and there's generally no particular deception on the YouTuber's part either. I want to give them $5 even if they already have a lot of other $5, because that's the value I'm getting or whatever.

I agree with others that Wikipedia very carefully makes it sound like they've got a sob story where if you don't donate they're going to shut down, so they probably get a lot of donations made with the belief that they're funding Wikipedia, but instead it gets shunted out to something else. Maybe something the donor is OK with, but maybe something not.

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59. jasonl+OW[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:48:51
>>blulul+Xx
They haven't broken any laws. And "text heavy articles" are bad now? They share this information, and it's very public.

Prove to me they are lying. Nothing on their donation page seems to be a lie.

Your comment on the other hand is very misleading.

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60. jasonl+6X[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:49:55
>>Macha+MC
In that case, your comment is a lie, and I can freely dismiss it.
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61. jasonl+RX[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 15:53:05
>>Macha+9x
Your opinions are wrong.

Be careful, if you argue that your opinions are not wrong, you'll be admitting your comment here is wrong.

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62. criley+251[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 16:22:22
>>JohnFe+Dl
And yet, the western capitalistic system that is built on private businesses acting in their own self interest, regulated by governments of the people enforcing social good, have created the least violent, least disease-ridden, most luxurious and incredible experience for humanity in history (or at least since civilization).

Frankly, calling it dystopic that businesses play by the laws as written is ridiculous. Change the laws instead of expecting businesses to self-regulate out of the goodness of their hearts. Why is that dystopic?

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63. criley+O51[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 16:25:27
>>lillec+JC
Since we're on the ycombinator chat -- do you think ycombinator disagrees? Do you think businesses incubated here are taught about "ethical and moral advertising at all costs" or taught about "finding market fit and scaling fast at all costs", even using aggressively successful a/b tested etc marketing that many would find distasteful?
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64. Macha+vd1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 16:59:03
>>omnico+gF
Well the risk is they'd invest too much into saving the side projects in the event of a downturn that they would put wikipedia at risk, which is why even people like me who don't have ideological squabbles with the content of the side projects are concerned by the bundling.
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65. sokolo+Sw1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 18:26:16
>>_glsb+EB
"...to stay online" is relevant in that clause.
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66. geenew+M42[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 21:00:34
>>agumon+2i
For me, at least, the fundraising banner is drawn on the page after the main content. Which means that the main content loads, displays, and then is pushed downwards by the banner.

I don't know whether this is intentional, but if it is, then I would classify it as a dirty, attention-grabbing, dark-pattern-esque, trick. It would be more honest if they just used the blink tag.

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67. bawolf+bl2[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-12 21:58:12
>>magica+k1
> Wikimedia does way more than "just" Wikipedia, and the majority of the money goes to these other activities.

[Citation needed]

And by citation needed, i mean i think this is a false statement. Unless you count things that help multiple wikimedia sites as not helping wikipedia because it is not just wikipedia. After all, all of these sites run the same software, a bug fix affects all of them pretty equally.

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68. _glsb+8E3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-13 09:54:41
>>omnico+gF
Again, problems with basic communication, it seems. Perpetuity means "forever". Because they have a finite amount of money and they are not generating money, they can't "fund wikipedia in perpetuity several times over".

They way they DO stay online for a resilient amount of time is by generating money, i.e. through donations.

In fact, they used to say exactly how many months they have left. Now they don't say that, because they feel they can allow themselves that. Does that mean that it makes sense to stop fundraising? No. Because the minute the public doesn't feel that there's an urgency in donating to your cause, then it's someone else's problem, meaning it's nobody's problem and that's how you kill NPOs.

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69. jevgen+fE3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-13 09:55:35
>>sokolo+Sw1
Which is still true.
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70. jevgen+kE3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-13 09:56:21
>>akolbe+IU
No, I'm asking how many people will donate, if everybody thinks that it's not urgent and somebody else will?
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71. omnico+NN3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-13 11:49:21
>>_glsb+8E3
I suggest reading up about endowments. [1]

Money generates money. To fund something in perpetuity you need enough that the returns from investing it (taking into account tax, costs, inflation, etc) exceed the annual payment needed. This is not an infinite amount.

I haven't checked the figures but the article claims the foundation has $400 million cash and Wikipedia costs under $2 million per annum. There's no easy way of calculating the maximum annual sum that can be taken out in perpetuity from a well managed endowment but it's certainly a lot more than 0.5%.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_endowment

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72. musica+ID6[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-14 07:33:39
>>magica+k1
> Indeed, it's highly manipulative

Charities seem to do do that sort of thing to raise money, probably because it works and also because the current activities are already funded.

When donations are sought after a disaster the implication is that the money is going to directly help the victims, but the reality is that it will fund other efforts, possibly including helping the victims of a future disaster.

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73. kordle+LZ9[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-15 10:34:48
>>LightG+py
We are what we are not.
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74. kordle+QZ9[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-10-15 10:35:28
>>catchn+pC
*git
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