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1. _fat_s+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-09-23 16:29:02
> Sidekiq withdrew its $250,000/year sponsorship for Ruby Central because they platformed DHH at RailsConf 2025.

Honest question: What's the issue with DHH here? What did he do that caused them to pull support because he was platformed at RailsConf?

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2. aduty+I[view] [source] 2025-09-23 16:31:26
>>_fat_s+(OP)
He has been adopting a more conservative slant and that makes some people irrationally angry.
3. lavela+81[view] [source] 2025-09-23 16:32:47
>>_fat_s+(OP)
"The Ruby community has a DHH problem":

https://tekin.co.uk/2025/09/the-ruby-community-has-a-dhh-pro...

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4. dismal+f1[view] [source] 2025-09-23 16:33:07
>>_fat_s+(OP)
Probably the fact that DHH introduced Solid Queue to Rails which can replace Sidekiq. Of course they're not going to say that, it'll be some excuse about his lukewarm European politics...
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5. draw_d+B1[view] [source] 2025-09-23 16:34:45
>>_fat_s+(OP)
From what I can tell, he was insufficiently enthusiastic about immigration. And, you know. You can't be saying that stuff.
6. vinceg+D3[view] [source] 2025-09-23 16:43:57
>>_fat_s+(OP)
The Ruby community has long had a rift between two types of members, the really nice folks that take after Matz, and techbro assholes like DHH. The former have mostly tolerated the latter creating an ugly toxicity that the community has become known for, and is why I use Ruby, but have not involved myself with it. Zed Shaw, a well-known asshole himself, described it in this piece: https://harmful.cat-v.org/software/ruby/rails/is-a-ghetto

DHH has been going off the deep end with his rhetoric for years, the current political environment has made it so that he can't be ignored anymore.

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7. bhoust+04[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 16:45:05
>>vinceg+D3
> HH has been going off the deep end with his rhetoric for years, the current political environment has made it so that he can't be ignored anymore.

But Shopify is also right wing in its executive team, and via these move they appear to be support DHH:

https://pressprogress.ca/shopify-executives-right-wing-media...

https://disconnect.blog/the-conservative-tech-alliance-is-co...

And yeah, Shopify is going to protect DHH because DHH is on Shopify's board:

https://www.shopify.com/news/david-heinemeier-hansson-board

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8. dismal+d7[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 16:56:38
>>vinceg+D3
Except Matz is aligned with DHH, Tobi and others. I think lots of people confuse "nice" with "supporting every weird American left-wing cause pushed by certain corporations". Keep in mind most of the people who actually run the Ruby ecosystem and drive it forward aren't American, and it's mostly Americans whining about it.

Also, people opposing it (Sidekiq, the guys starting "rv", etc...) have a vested financial interest in opposing Rails and rubygems...

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9. baggy_+n7[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 16:57:13
>>vinceg+D3
It would be more accurate to say that the rift is between intolerant progressive activists and people who just want to work on the code without getting politics involved.
10. jmcgou+c9[view] [source] 2025-09-23 17:04:56
>>_fat_s+(OP)
Tom Stuart gave a really good lightning talk about this a decade ago, which is very respectful and has aged well https://tomstu.art/the-dhh-problem

It's not just about his politics. DHH is reactionary, mean, dismissive of others' opinions. He acts more like a high school bully than a leader.

Since then, DHH has gone off the deep end with xenophobic, racist, and transphobic comments. I was drawn to the Ruby community because of its kindness and creativity, with people like why the lucky stiff and Jim Weirich. It is a lot less welcoming when DHH repeatedly uses his platform to say that I shouldn't exist or have equal rights.

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11. bradly+i9[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 17:05:05
>>bhoust+04
Just to add a bit of context here... DHH was added to the Shopify board last year. Shopify also brought in a CTO with very questionable actions and statements during multiple company townhalls and all-hands. He would be making wild statements on stream while VPs would be in the Slack channel trying to defuse and reframe. This was a big reason why I left Shopify last spring.
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12. leosan+Be[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 17:26:13
>>jmcgou+c9
> It is a lot less welcoming when DHH repeatedly uses his platform to say that I shouldn't exist or have equal rights.

Can you point to any of his blog posts that says this ?

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13. prepen+Ke[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 17:26:43
>>jmcgou+c9
How is his code?

I guess I’m so old that I remember not paying much attention to personal lives and looking at code contributions and collaboration behavior. I think that being a sensitive collaborator who builds changes was more relevant than swearing at people or saying rude things.

I once worked for a company where one developer hit another in the face with a keyboard. Was it wrong, yes of course. But we still delivered a pretty decent product.

I don’t really care if you, or others feel I should exist or not. Or whether they think I should or shouldn’t have rights, unless you mean permissions to change and maintain code.

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14. danude+Le[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 17:26:46
>>dismal+f1
Also the fact that DHH complained about not wanting to live in London because of how many non-whites there are, praising violent far-right agitators, and repeating debunked racist claims.
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15. disipl+1h[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 17:39:41
>>leosan+Be
He is not stupid enough to say that directly bit it's one google away to find stuff like.

I follow him on Twitter and guy is a bully and has opinions about stuff he has 0 knowledge about.

https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-social-media-censorship-era-is...

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16. amanap+ik[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 17:54:23
>>prepen+Ke
Unfortunately, in the current political climate the stakes are much higher.
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17. jamesg+En[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 18:09:44
>>dismal+f1
I've formed a positive opinion of Parham's character by the way he's conducted himself over the years. And Solid Queue isn't a serious Sidekiq replacement for the types of high volume applications where you'd want a Sidekiq license; I doubt he even sees it as a threat.
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18. insane+Qn[view] [source] 2025-09-23 18:10:47
>>_fat_s+(OP)
Sure, they don't like DHH. I never much liked him either (too opinionated for my taste), though Rails is a really good thing and honestly put Ruby on the map, and DHH deserves credit for that. But seriously, pull all their funding because of being platformed at RailsConf (_Rails_Conf, not _Ruby_Conf). Seems over-reactionary, and ultimately hurtful to the Ruby community (making them more dependent on Shopify).

Update: To be fair, I haven't followed DHH/Rails/Ruby community for the past decade (was very involved ~15 yrs ago), so my views may be outdated. Still I think pulling the funding doesn't help Ruby.

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19. jmcgou+9o[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 18:12:19
>>prepen+Ke
> I don’t really care if you, or others feel I should exist or not. Or whether they think I should or shouldn’t have rights

Yes, but you don't really need to worry, because those things aren't a real threat to you. Imagine if you were a member of a minority group making up 1% of the population, with a government actively persecuting you.

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20. marcin+Rp[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 18:22:50
>>prepen+Ke
Supporting people that want to and are pushing for the government to kill you and your loved ones seems like such an odd thing for someone to do. Not even sure how to describe it.
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21. madeof+rz[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 19:16:15
>>insane+Qn
I don't like DHH (for whatever reason), and I would never want to spend my own money on 'platforming' him. It seems pretty reasonable that someone/company applies discretion to which community events they sponsor.
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22. thepti+BB[view] [source] 2025-09-23 19:28:39
>>_fat_s+(OP)
Huh, apparently he is a “white supremacist” for posts like this?

https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-waning-days-of-dei-s-dominance...

I missed all this drama, it does seem like there is an echo chamber forming over on Bluesky…

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23. 827a+sC[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 19:32:47
>>insane+Qn
Its especially wild given how their action in pulling funding seems to have been a prime motivator for this power grab: in their attempt to boycott DHH, they quite literally handed him the keys to the kingdom.
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24. dismal+EC[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 19:33:51
>>jamesg+En
Do a Google search for Sidekiq DHH. First link is about migrating from Sidekiq to Solid Queue. Third result (for me anyway) is a Reddit thread where Perham talks about trying to make Basecamp a customer and that he wasn't able to...
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25. riffra+UC[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 19:34:48
>>thepti+BB
He's voicedly MAGA-adjacent, has often written against the evils of multiculturalism and how happy he was about Trump winning the elections.

I don't think he's a white supremacist, but it is understandable that some people don't like his ideas.

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26. jaredc+jG[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 19:50:13
>>dismal+EC
It's Perham.
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27. evolve+VL[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 20:20:22
>>827a+sC
It does imply an option here. For the affected ruby gems core team to strike up a sponsorship agreement and launch a forked ruby gems service. For developers who agree that the original team was treated terribly, it’s a one line code change at the top of our Gemfiles to get behind a new gem repository.
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28. baobab+lS[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 20:57:05
>>madeof+rz
Sure it feels good to pull money as a kneejerk reaction and virtue signalling, but it's still generally a good idea to think through the consequences of your actions.
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29. ihsw+OT[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 21:05:11
>>riffra+UC
There are valid criticisms of multiculturalism and there are valid merits to Trump winning the elections.
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30. pfych+i51[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 22:12:49
>>thepti+BB
Someone linked an article above that is worth a read - He's said some pretty horrific stuff about minority groups & is echoing discredited sentiment on immigrants and other minorities. It's worth a read.

https://tekin.co.uk/2025/09/the-ruby-community-has-a-dhh-pro...

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31. damage+Z71[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 22:28:57
>>jamesg+En
Just to echo those sentiments, Mike Perham has appeared on a panel discussion recently with his 'competitors', including Solid Queue.

https://www.rubyevents.org/talks/panel-the-past-present-and-...

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32. makeit+Oc1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 23:00:22
>>baobab+lS
We should be thankful a project like Sidekiq sponsored so much money over such a long period. Whatever reason they had to pull out, the blame should lie on the lack of other companies stepping in and keeping some power balance.
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33. makeit+pg1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-23 23:24:04
>>827a+sC
A "boycott" assumes voiced opinions, and I don't think we have anything public about why Sidekiq stopped sponsoring.

We assume it's linked to DHH because he's an asshole, but that's just our own theories.

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34. tbrown+Nq1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-24 00:43:53
>>lavela+81
Is he known to, like, reference his politics in his conference talks or something?
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35. christ+Rx1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-24 01:37:56
>>danude+Le
Source? That’s hard for me to believe.
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36. bn-l+aB1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-24 02:02:58
>>jamesg+En
He strikes me as egotistical.
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37. bn-l+tB1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-24 02:05:34
>>ihsw+OT
The totalitarian mindset will not even tolerate you “platforming” people who don’t sufficiently agree with it (even if you agree on 90% of things).
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38. mplewi+PE1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-24 02:37:13
>>tbrown+Nq1
Is it ok to put Goebbels on a stage if he isn't talking politics?
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39. mplewi+0F1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-24 02:37:55
>>leosan+Be
Yeah, how about the one where he says Tommy Robinson was right? https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64
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40. aslatt+JF1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-24 02:44:52
>>christ+Rx1
"As I remember London": https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64
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41. prh8+YM1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-24 04:02:21
>>tbrown+Nq1
He is a consistent pot stirrer, whether it's his politics or his vendettas, and he never really stops talking about them
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42. brigan+XZ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-24 06:26:55
>>mplewi+PE1
I couldn't care less if Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot or even Bob Monkhouse[2] were pushing open source patches and contributing talks, as long as they:

- do not turn away from debate - do not turn to or espouse violence[1] - and their contributions were of merit

Since DHH has done none of that then the answer is "yes, it's okay to put him on a stage to talk about tech".

[1] I thank Karl Popper for showing the way here with his Paradox of tolerance.

[2] Bob was the master of self-deprecating jokes, I hope he would appreciate that one.

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43. brigan+s02[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-24 06:31:06
>>jmcgou+9o
Is DHH part of the government, one that is actively persecuting a minority? If not, then you're talking about someone who is not in power and not persecuting a minority (or anyone). How is that relevant?
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44. christ+RB2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-24 12:24:23
>>aslatt+JF1
I can see how you'd read it that way, but I read it like this, "I went to Lisbon and it was basically a bunch of California programmer bros. The culture there has been lost, and that loss is regrettable."

In other words, it can be read more charitably as a lamentation about the loss / changing of a culture.

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45. sleigh+cX2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-24 14:08:25
>>jmcgou+c9
I got into Ruby and the community in 2006.

I aspired to be like Jim. We all should.

He made time for anyone who wanted to engage him in a sincere discussion. He helped a lot of newer people. He wrote beautiful tools that we still use.

He embodied MINASWAN. That has been the core of Ruby's community.

DHH has been pretty damn far from that.

Did many of us find Ruby through Rails? Sure. Does that mean that Ruby should be stewarded by someone who is intolerant and therefore exclusionary? No.

That's the opposite of MINASWAN.

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46. yawara+s43[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-24 14:39:03
>>christ+RB2
Nah, it's pretty clearly dog-whistling for racists. Talking about 'native Brits' vs 'mass immigration' changing the 'culture and makeup'? People don't say 'makeup' to refer to California programmer bro culture, they are talking about racial makeup.

Then he goes on about 'Pakistani rape gangs' and 'abuse of British girls'–oh look, the classic trope of the nasty browns and blacks preying on our precious white children.

Then take this: 'There's absolutely nothing racist or xenophobic in saying that Denmark is primarily a country for the Danes, Britain primarily a united kingdom for the Brits, and Japan primarily a set of islands for the Japanese.'

These words would not be out of place in 1066 Britain ie 'this is a country of the Saxons, not the Normans'. Britain has seen this exact brand of xenophobia for millennia, in fact they even had periods of bigotry against Danes! If dhh had gone to London at the wrong point in history, he might have experienced racial prejudice.

Interesting, right?

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47. veeti+Jx5[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-25 08:40:36
>>yawara+s43
> Then he goes on about 'Pakistani rape gangs' and 'abuse of British girls'–oh look, the classic trope of the nasty browns and blacks preying on our precious white children.

It might just sound like something off TV Tropes to you, but even the Labor government's own inquiry [1] on the matter shows that hundreds if not thousands of children were actually molested by such gangs. It even has a chapter on "Denial", which brings your comment to another light:

> Instead, flawed data is used repeatedly to dismiss claims about ‘Asian grooming gangs’ as sensationalised, biased or untrue. This does a disservice to victims and indeed all law-abiding people in Asian communities.

For your reading:

[1] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/685559d05225e...

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48. zchryk+166[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-25 13:59:08
>>mplewi+PE1
Is it okay to smear pretty normal people as Nazis for no good reason?
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49. zahlma+zy9[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-09-26 13:01:14
>>yawara+s43
> Nah, it's pretty clearly dog-whistling

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

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