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Legalizing sports gambling was a mistake

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6. OsrsNe+Da[view] [source] 2024-09-26 16:10:03
>>jimbob+(OP)
https://archive.is/FeAy9
12. wood_s+eb[view] [source] 2024-09-26 16:13:43
>>jimbob+(OP)
Rest is Politics Leading recently had an interview with Frank Luntz who, as well as rebranding “global warming” as “climate change”, rebranded “gambling” to “gaming”. A really eye opening interview https://open.spotify.com/episode/5sSaRKxclEFwz80cH2FwJu?si=N...
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55. 555562+jo[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-26 17:26:42
>>andrew+Rc
"Miller says the NFL doesn’t get a cut of the amount wagered with these companies. But the NFL and its television rights holders, which pay the NFL more than $13 billion a year to broadcast games, have seen a boon from advertising by the legal gaming industry." (https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/10/business/nfl-super-bowl-sport...)
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77. autoex+eF[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-26 19:08:46
>>neaden+mb
There's a scene in Idiocracy where a the main character goes to a hospital and there are slot machines in the background (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70UdQJDzj4k). The last time I saw it I immediately thought of Illinois. Every time I travel to chicagoland I'm shocked to seem them everywhere. Their presence somehow makes otherwise normal places look very sad.
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89. shaftw+m61[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-26 21:36:02
>>autoex+eF
Higher res and earlier shot where the slot machines are focused on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcYbYhjdUb4&t=69s&ab_channel...

Bonus for phrases on them like "Play while you wait" and "Win free medical care"

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91. renata+3h1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-26 22:46:49
>>stouse+gt
America's requirements (https://www.finra.org/investors/investing/investment-product...):

> pattern day traders must maintain minimum equity of $25,000 in their margin account on any day that the customer day trades

> pattern day traders cannot trade in excess of their "day-trading buying power"

> If a pattern day trader exceeds the day-trading buying power limitation, a firm will issue a day-trading margin call, after which the pattern day trader will then have, at most, five business days to deposit funds to meet the call.

97. neonat+pG1[view] [source] 2024-09-27 03:17:16
>>jimbob+(OP)
https://web.archive.org/web/20240926163805/https://www.theat...

https://archive.ph/CmsIZ

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106. galley+VI1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 03:50:21
>>cafard+Rv
State lotteries at least fund positive things, instead of just private profit. WA State as an example: https://www.walottery.com/PressRoom/Details.aspx?id=12129
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159. kmeist+jQ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 05:22:09
>>ezekie+yL1
You don't have a good handle on the problem.

It's not "individuals slipping through the cracks of society", it's society and the people who run it consuming people (or animals) as fuel. Progressive politics might only be as old as the Roosevelts but they have surprisingly deep historical roots[0].

The improvement in material conditions from, say, the 1500s to 2024 is a function of changes in the law that made it worthwhile to produce those improvements. Or, in other words, nobody is going to innovate in phone apps when they have to give 30% to Apple and Google. Back then, the "30%" would have been indentured servitude, debtors prisons, and so on. Innovation increased when serfdom ended and more people were able to innovate.

Innovation in an economy is a function of how many people have access to appropriate levels of capital. Which is itself a function of the distribution of wealth. An economy in which five people own everything is one where nobody can innovate outside of that system. An economy with redistributive effects - whether that be through government action or otherwise - is more productive at the expense of the growth prospects of the ultra-wealthy. Economies built to make one participant fatter are eating their seed corn.

I have no clue what you're going on about with infantilization. That seems like something downstream of several social trends.

[0] e.g. western feminism is older than the Declaration of Independence; abolitionism is at least as old as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Lay

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197. throwu+pU1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 06:09:19
>>mlsu+wN1
> But a much easier argument against sports betting is that it ruins the sports. Players throw. They get good at subtly cheating. The gambling apparatus latches itself to the sport, to the teams and players, the umpires and judges, the sporting organizations. With this much money on the line, it's not a matter of if but when games are thrown, cheated -- the bigger the game, the bigger the incentive. It's even easier now because of the amount of side/parlay betting that is available. It exhausts the spirit of competition.

I don't see how this latest gambling fad ends except for another Black Sox scandal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sox_Scandal

It's been a hundred years so I guess it's time we learned our lesson the hard way, again.

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199. lathia+zU1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 06:10:19
>>chii+ET1
There are no pokies outside the Casino in Western Australia (Perth). And thus no pokies at sports clubs or bars etc. It’s glorious.

I admit to not being entirely sure what "Sports Clubs" are over east though or why they need propping up by gambling. In any case, it works fine here.

You CAN get a permit for a few bits of "gambling" that is mostly only for "sports clubs" but it's very VERY restricted, and mostly like actual games with people like Poker, Two Up, etc. It's not really a problem in nearly the same way, and no machines: https://sportscommunity.com.au/club-member/wa-gambling/

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233. keifer+HX1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 06:34:53
>>hgomer+0X1
Depends on whom you ask, but this case had a major effect on removing restrictions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquette_National_Bank_of_Min....

Prior to that, usury laws existed in most states that restricted consumer loans to something like 5-13%.

Personally I don’t have an issue with the concept of interest itself, but if you look at the huge amount of Americans in debt paying 20-30% on credit cards, it certainly seems excessive and usurious to me.

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270. fodkod+r02[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 07:00:06
>>hgomer+0X1
Although not directly interest, but in similar vein:

There was once a so called fair profit rate of 4% in the middle ages and early modern age, in Hungary. Greek wine traders operating there featured the number 4 on their seals and ornaments of their houses. (They were also often tried for violating this rule)

In those ages of course there was no constant inflation in the current sense, gold standard was used for payments, etc.

source, in Hungarian language, the site of the greek ethnic minority's cultural institute (the pictures feature one such ornament): https://gorogintezet.hu/kultura/2022/07/gorog-kereskedok-sze...

https://gorogintezet.hu/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/15264.jpg

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277. stephe+G12[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 07:11:29
>>jimbob+NR1
Surprisingly you can test this with a randomized field test:

> The Illinois D.A.R.E. Evaluation was conducted as a randomized field experiment with one pretest and multiple planned post-tests. The researchers identified 18 pairs of elementary schools, representative of urban, suburban, and rural areas throughout northern and central Illinois. Schools were matched in each pair by type, ethnic composition, number of students with limited English proficiency, and the percent of students from low income families. None of these schools had previously received D.A.R.E.. For the 12 pairs of schools located in urban and suburban areas, one school in each pair was randomly assigned to receive D.A.R.E. in the spring of 1990

https://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/uic.htm

Yes, surveys do have flaws but they are a better approach than just giving up and saying any research is impossible.

I’d recommend we don’t simply stop trying, instead we test different programs, and only once we have shown their effectiveness do we role them out further.

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280. mlsu+K12[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 07:12:07
>>Hasu+LV1
Of course all of the major leagues would say that they are not at all biased. Most probably have extreme suspension rules for being involved in gambling. But, we shall see. Human beings are fallible creatures; people forget, people slip. And it's hard to prove this. Especially nowadays, when you can do it over your phone in private.

Still, it really doesn't matter,

After all, who wins the flag.

Good clean sport is what we're after,

And we aim to make our brag

To each near or distant nation

Whereon shines the sporting sun

That of all our games gymnastic

Base ball is the cleanest one!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sox_Scandal

308. braza+M42[view] [source] 2024-09-27 07:46:07
>>jimbob+(OP)
Two interesting things that I noticed from the betting industry:

1) In Brazil there's an entire industry of athlete's from lower divisions and agents that sells transient results that is taken in consideration in the bets.

For instance, number of corner kicks, number of fouls, yellow cards and so on. It's hard to trace it back the intention and there's a player from the National Team being investigated due to betting patterns [1].

With 80% of players earning less than USD 300 [2] when someone have the offer to take USD 10000 to receive 3 yellow cards in 5 games, it's hard to say no for those guys.

2) The problem that I see with the regulation is that not only in the sporting and social aspects (that is bad) but the money laundering and the lack of tracing in the money that goes in bet houses.

For instance, Germany has some regulation around the topic [3] but the reality if you go in some Tipico or some small bet house you can carry EUR 10000 and bet in anything, no questions asked; that's the reason why a lot of people around the world come to Germany for sports betting [4].

Anecdotally speaking, an old colleague used to manage some players in Brazilian 3rd division and he had some connections with folks in places like Germany. Before the game he already knew the bets and then just told to the players what needs to be done (e.g. I want a penalty kick after 80min, or a yellow card before 70 minutes) and after the bet being payed the agent just passed the money to the players (more or less 30%).

[1] - https://onefootball.com/de/news/fa-want-to-ban-lucas-paqueta...

[2] - https://g1.globo.com/trabalho-e-carreira/noticia/2022/12/04/...

[3] - https://cms.law/en/int/expert-guides/cms-expert-guide-to-onl...

[4] - https://n1info.rs/biznis/fatf-nemacka-raj-za-pranje-novca-go...

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348. tempod+392[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 08:30:32
>>vladms+m12
I found this to be a good answer: >>41667503
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359. qwerto+qb2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 08:56:06
>>mlsu+wN1
I find it funny how in Germany the state lottery advertises itself on TV but needs to add the info that "Gambling can be addictive."

For example, this ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0-pKS_zx5E is made by "LOTTO 6aus49", which is "LOTTO.de", which is "Toto-Lotto Niedersachsen GmbH", which is the lottery company of the state Lower Saxony.

To me this is as if the state would place TV ads for wine which a state-owned winery produces, like "Landesbetrieb Hessische Staatsweingüter" also known as "Hessische Staatsweingüter GmbH Kloster Eberbach".

And the lottery numbers are then presented in the prime time news in the publicly funded television.

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365. divan+8c2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 09:03:01
>>jdietr+182
White paper on recent UK reform of the Gambling Act for the digital age.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/high-stakes-gambl...

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377. qwerto+xd2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 09:17:18
>>loboch+nc2
Sorry, but that is not true.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotto#Verwendung_der_Einnahmen

50% for is the gamblers

23% is diverted towards the charity you mention.

16.7% is taxes

7.5% is commission

2.8% is for running the business

In other words, the "Aktion Mensch" gives around 1/4 to those in need.

* Correction, "Aktion Mensch" give close to 1/3 to those in need and less to gamblers (also 30%). But they keep more to themselves.

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384. vladms+Te2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 09:30:22
>>bbor+0U1
I think the problem is more the banning does not address the root cause and will not increase societal buy-in, hence will waste a lot of energy without a result.

Alcohol consumption is currently dropping in many (not all places) in Europe (some ref: https://www.euronews.com/health/2024/08/21/dry-january-where...), without any bans, so compared to the prohibition episode I would claim that it would be better to insist on finding and implementing "efficient stances".

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429. arp242+3q2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 10:54:16
>>throwa+Tm2
"Ancient Jewish authorities frowned on gambling, even disqualifying professional gamblers from testifying in court."

"The [Hindu] text Arthashastra (c. 4th century BCE) recommends taxation and control of gambling."

"The Buddha stated gambling as a source of destruction in Singalovada Sutra. Professions that are seen to violate the precept against theft include working in the gambling industry."

Instead of asking a lazy question as a challenge, you could have spent 3 seconds looking this up. It wasn't particularly hard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling#Religious_views

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439. svardi+or2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 11:03:28
>>MavisB+zm2
I'd challenge you to read those results again. They admit to the evidence for health effects being elusive (due to limited or no robust studies), yet there is still enough evidence to summarize the following:

"

There is substantial evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and:

The development of schizophrenia or other psychoses, with the highest risk among the most frequent users (12-1) There is moderate evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and:

Better cognitive performance among individuals with psychotic disorders and a history of cannabis use (12-2a) Increased symptoms of mania and hypomania in individuals diagnosed with bipolar disorders (regular cannabis use) (12-4) A small increased risk for the development of depressive disorders (12-5) Increased incidence of suicidal ideation and suicide attempts with a higher incidence among heavier users (12-7a) Increased incidence of suicide completion (12-7b) Increased incidence of social anxiety disorder (regular cannabis use) (12-8b)"

National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2017. The Health Effects of Cannabis and Cannabinoids: The Current State of Evidence and Recommendations for Research. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. https://doi.org/10.17226/24625.

I would warrant that these summaries should be a concern for anyone using cannabis and that blanket statements regarding the overall tone and summation of the report negating health effects of cannabis is somewhat misguided.

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444. DrBazz+ns2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 11:08:40
>>jdietr+182
I absolutely hate that gambling adverts on TV are legal in the UK. I've seen at least one friend's life ruined because of it.

9pm, and it's wall-to-wall.

Ironically, this is around the same time as bans on smoking in pubs, and tobacco advertising became draconian.

But gambling doesn't do any first-order physical harm, so it's all good, right?

Seeing betting firms on the front of football teams' shirts offends me.

> When Tony Blair's Labour government introduced the Gambling Act in 2005, it allowed gambling firms to advertise sports betting, poker and online casinos on TV and radio for the first time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-64510095

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452. fidotr+8u2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 11:21:02
>>mlsu+wN1
This only truly works if sports gambling is illegal globally. The reason this doesn't apply too much with the US is foreign interest in US sport is limited.

For example http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/426092.stm is why british people of a certain age all know the phrase "Malaysian gambling syndicates" and associate it with random blackouts.

458. pelasa+Gu2[view] [source] 2024-09-27 11:24:42
>>jimbob+(OP)
Brazil took long to allow it and now its spreading like wildfire!

In September, the central bank released a report revealing that in August, 20% of Bolsa Família — the largest cash transfer program for Brazil's poorest citizens — was spent on betting.

Out of the 20 million recipients, 5 million placed bets during that month, amounting to 2 billion reais (approximately $450 million) spent in just one month by the most vulnerable Brazilians.

Every day we are reading reports of family loosing their cars and saving because kids were betting, which is crazy.

https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/internacional/en/business/2024...

485. xrd+2B2[view] [source] 2024-09-27 12:08:30
>>jimbob+(OP)
I used to love watching basketball. I hate all the ads now and don't want to have my kids see that.

But, what's the alternative?

Going to a live event, for two bad teams, for four people, cost me over $500 a year ago. I can't afford that.

Youth sports?

I live in Florida, and was hoping Jai Alai (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jai_alai) would be a weird respite, but that was the original gamblers refuge.

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555. hgomer+sO2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 13:36:06
>>fdfgyu+ey2
The Bank of England quoted reason is explicitly to suppress demand: https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/explainers/how-do-higher-int...

It's hard to see how that's not synonymous with increased unemployment, particularly given the oft quoted Phillips curve and the NAIRU.

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586. ejstro+MU2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 14:06:13
>>sidewn+PH2
> The entire concept of inflation comes from the fact that various Med. cultures figured out you could issue coinage with a high percentage of gold and then slowly drop the percentage over time to increase the purchasing power of the government. It got insanely bad at some points, with "gold" coinage being less than 50% gold. Inflation wasn't just constant, it was an everyday fact of life.

I'm not an expert on this - how does this idea differ from that of 'seigniorage' where the sovereign can profit from the creation of money?

Your example only addresses the buying power of the sovereign; it's not obvious that it should affect the prices of goods between private parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seigniorage

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607. Alexan+bY2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 14:23:49
>>ocean_+I42
One thing that's not often talked about is how heavily gendered gambling addiction is - with something like 2/3 of gamblers being male[1] and an even more skewed ratio for problem gambling.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4736715/#:~:tex....

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609. seer+lY2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 14:24:55
>>kqr+LU2
The Spanish lottery is actually quite egalitarian and produces distributed payouts for communities. It’s fascinating really - 99 pi did an episode about them a while back https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/el-gordo/
610. setgre+uY2[view] [source] 2024-09-27 14:25:09
>>jimbob+(OP)
In a sane society, sports gambling would be legal but with a lot of guardrails:

* If apps detect compulsive behavior, they could go dark on your phone for a day/week/month/year

* All bets could have delayed payoffs (e.g. greater than 10 minutes [0]) to avoid optimizing for a quick dopamine hit

* Apps could be linked to a credit score/measure of financial health and allow larger bets for people with higher credit scores, or they could stop you from placing bets if there's evidence of negative impacts on your overall financial situation.

In general, the question of: how can we let consenting adults take risks that they find pleasurable (drugs, sex work, gambling, free diving, etc.) while also limiting the worst harms and/or protecting the most vulnerable people, is under-discussed relative to its importance, IMO.

[0] https://x.com/KelseyTuoc/status/1822382269669228822

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621. throw0+ZZ2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 14:32:40
>>snapca+0M2
> Food, gambling, etc. are all backed by hordes of brilliant well paid people trying to get you to ruin your life so they make money. On the other side is just regular people like us stressed out trying to survive.

A similar argument can be made with healthcare (especially the US insurance system). There is all sorts of information asymmetry, not only from available treatments/procedures, but then also providers

Kenneth Arrow wrote about this (in 1963), "Uncertainty and the welfare economics of health care" (see §II. generally, and perhaps §II. B. specifically):

* https://assets.aeaweb.org/asset-server/files/9442.pdf

Some disagree with the above assessment:

* https://archive.is/q1nSN / http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/03/liberals...

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636. gen220+T23[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 14:48:31
>>hgomer+0X1
If you're curious, Martin Luther (of Lutheranism) wrote on this [1], summarized here [2] although the original is quite legible. Mercantilism (i.e. profit-making on the exchange of goods) was a very popular way of making ones' livelihood in his time and place, so it was a frequent question religious leaders were asked to weigh in on. Essentially, "how much profit is too much profit?"

[1]: (PDF) https://opensiuc.lib.siu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=501...

[2]: (PDF) https://history.hanover.edu/hhr/18/HHR2018-fergus.pdf

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640. eadmun+f33[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 14:50:51
>>stevie+8U2
> Prior to legalized sports betting, was "state violence" used against people who bet on sports as a casual hobby?

Yes: Sal Culosi was shot and killed by police in Virginia for wagering more than $2,000: https://reason.com/2011/01/17/justice-for-sal/

I am certain that there are more — that’s just one which leaps to mind.

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752. schlau+5p3[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 16:29:46
>>supahf+i83
Probably here, but might be dry. https://link.springer.com/journal/10899
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754. 165944+sp3[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 16:31:28
>>pjlega+vc3
> Can you propose a universally acceptable formula or philosophy?

While I have found few people to think this acceptable, I believe it better than the wanton passing of social laws to appease a voter base in order to keep a job. (How many people did DOMA[0] practically harm in order to appease the metaphysical sensitivities of a majority of voters)

Laws should be to prevent[dissuade] harm __to others__. If someone wants to recklessly use drugs, then we have laws that punish them for the harm they did to others, with an added under-the-influence charge. There is no reason to punish a consenting adult doing no harm to another, only possibly themself. The problem with this, is politicians don't get re-elected for creating education and other services that would help those addicted/using it to escape their life or those with trauma/mental instability inflicting trauma on others. But using "moral" arguments to rile up majority population voting bases is low hanging fruit; which the system rewards one for going after. Laws that are publicly passed are usually done by exploiting the emotions of group-type majorities. instead of using funds on analysts to find the current emotional trigger to poke, use it to find the best ways to help those that are a higher risk to cause harm towards others (ie, addicts, mental health - including those with trauma that are not as easy to treat with medication and basic security needs). And honestly, I find it unethical to exploit a persons personal faith for job security.

At some point people have to take responsibility for themselves, their actions, and stay out of your neighbor's business until your neighbor begins harming other humans (whether in their house or outside of it). Laws don't prevent harm to others, they establish (or should only establish) societal time-outs(rehabilitation) and damage/cost/etc retribution/repayment (the word I want to use escapes me in describing this exactly), the same way police are law _enforcement_ officers, not crime prevention psychics.

TL;DR: "The right to swing my arms in any direction ends where your nose begins." (This also encompasses the non-physical assault or harm - stealing etc)

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act

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801. RunSet+0z3[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 17:18:32
>>supahf+i83
"Coercion" by Douglas Rushkoff is somewhat dated but by no means out of date.

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/348346/coercion-by-...

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828. Randal+uF3[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 17:49:14
>>dkrich+tg2
> They’ve gotten gambling legalized nearly everywhere yet are still wildly unprofitable.

They're predicted to profit more than $400 million in 2025.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/draftkings-inc-nasdaq-dkng-br...

Somewhat like Amazon in its early days, their lack of profits was mostly because they were investing their money into growing the company. DraftKings spends hundreds of dollars to acquire each customer.

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835. caseyo+sI3[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 18:03:35
>>jimbob+NR1
It is well studied. I am pro-science more than I am pro-drug.

> D.A.R.E.’s original curriculum was not shaped by prevention specialists but by police officers and teachers in Los Angeles. They started D.A.R.E. in 1983 to curb the use of drugs, alcohol and tobacco among teens and to improve community–police relations. Fueled by word of mouth, the program quickly spread to 75 percent of U.S. schools.

> But for over a decade research cast doubt on the program’s benefits. The Department of Justice funded the first national study of D.A.R.E. and the results, made public in 1994, showed only small short-term reductions in participants’ use of tobacco—but not alcohol or marijuana. A 2009 report by Justice referred to 30 subsequent evaluations that also found no significant long-term improvement in teen substance abuse.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-new-d-a-r-e-p...

> Launched in 1983, D.A.R.E. was taught by police officers in classrooms nationwide. Their presentations warned students about the dangers of substance use and told kids to say no to drugs. It was a message that was repeated in PSAs and cheesy songs. Former First Lady Nancy Reagan even made it one of her major causes.

> Teaching drug abstinence remains popular among some groups, and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration's messaging to teenagers still focuses on the goal that they should be "drug-free." But numerous studies published in the 1990s and early 2000s concluded programs like D.A.R.E. had no significant impact on drug use. And one study actually found a slight uptick in drug use among suburban students after participation in D.A.R.E.

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/09/1211217460/fentanyl-drug-educ...

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839. tastyf+TJ3[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 18:10:38
>>snapca+J03
I wouldn't use opiates as an example of causing misery. The opium poppy, for thousands of years, was a miracle plant to every society that knew of it. It allows anybody to have access to pain relief. Yes it can be misused. However, ALL opiates are still derived from the opium poppy. The ability for personal or commercial production of opium was removed from everybody by the US influenced UN policy. The UN now declares that three countries in the world are allowed to grow opium poppies to produce opium. That legal opium supposedly is used to create all of the worlds needed supply of pharmaceutical opiates. Every other country that grows Papaver Somniferum and processes it to opium is a target for military action to reduce the supply of illegal opiates. You see, the recent history of opium is a bit like an opium dream itself. A small number of people decided opium is evil and who gets to produce opiates and if you aren't on the list you are their enemy. This policy has done nothing to stop "illegal" production and use of opiates and has made a small number of people unimaginably wealthy while also creating the environment for "illegal" cartels, AKA competition, to flourish. Bayer first sold heroin as a less addictive morphine after all. In the name of enforcing the "allowed producers" list an innumerable amount of people trying to make a living by producing opium were killed. If it looks like a cartel and behaves like a cartel it might be a cartel.

I don't even want to go into the proven CIA and FBI complicity in drug trafficking in the name of stopping "illegal" opiates or all the people in jail for using "illegal" opiates.

Sure, opiates cause suffering. Its just mostly at the hands of a supranational cartel that we are part of. We aren't even allowed to grow the same plant in the US for seeds that many nations eat as a staple food. However, the pharmaceutical companies are allowed to grow or buy opium from India, Turkey, and Australia and sell millions of derivative opiate pills around the world. But, me being able to grow a handful of plants to produce my own pain medicine or domestic commercial production is the height of evil.

If we were all allowed to produce opium personally or commercially we would effectively end the reasons for illegal opiate importers to exist, create jobs for our own people, and remove an immense amount of power from the UN and pharmaceutical companies. We would also remove the need for military adventurism in places like Afghanistan and Myanmar. As an aside, opium production in Afghanistan increased from 82,000ha to 233,000ha during US occupation, which I choose to believe was, mostly because we didn't care and the Taliban had been destroying opium crops.

https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/bulletin/bu...

865. alex50+XQ3[view] [source] 2024-09-27 18:54:14
>>jimbob+(OP)
The impact of problem gambling on families can be devastating and we see it first hand in the financial counseling that we do. (Disclosure: I'm the founder of MoneyStack and we run GamFin.org)

Since many of you have commented about regulation, check out the SAFE Bet Act https://tonko.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=...

Also, the GRIT Act may bring much needed federal funding into the prevention and treatment system across the US. https://www.ncpgambling.org/advocacy/grit-act/

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872. NemoNo+2U3[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 19:14:32
>>smeej+1G3
https://patents.google.com/patent/US6017302A/en
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899. FactKn+364[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-27 20:28:07
>>komali+ck2
>it seems distributing power to more local level forms of governance works well for many things

>CCP COMMITS GENOCIDE AGAINST UIGHUR MUSLIMS XINJIANG

wow, you seem to really know what you're talking about!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_regions_of_China

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934. komali+oE4[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-28 02:11:56
>>FactKn+364
Is your argument that Xinjiang is somehow autonomous from the CPC government? That's a very strange claim to make considering it's undeniably ruled completely by the whims of the CPC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_Hard_Campaign_Against_V...

If that's not what you mean, can you help me understand what you're saying?

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999. zikdur+We5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-28 11:42:54
>>Saline+QB2
"Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorism, but… well, son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored. And it's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or being creative. If you smoke pot you may grow up to find out that you aren't good at anything." - Randy Marsh, South Park (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Future_Self_'n'_Me)
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1013. pbhjpb+mr5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-28 14:20:53
>>CMCDra+iT4
Re your last paragraph, the New Testament addresses an argument about Christian grace, some said they should sin more because that left more room for God's grace. Not surprisingly the Bible's answer is, nu-uh (an emphatic no).

I think society can generally be against something, yet it succeed. Most people consider greed to be bad, but it's the foundation of capitalism. I'm not sure if most people would say gambling is wrong. (This survey, https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/blog/post/gambling-sur..., found only 41 of self-selected UK gamblers rated it positively.)

A democratic state should reflect the desired culture, if it doesn't it's not being democratic. Businesses can also do that, as can other organisations. Most businesses goals are aligned away from benefiting society in general; whilst a democratic state should be at least loosely aligned with that end (by definition).

Thanks for a thought provoking response.

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1027. Carpor+0z5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-28 15:28:39
>>jdietr+182
Gambling - Causing harm since (at least) the Iron Age.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_Lament

1029. CatWCh+oA5[view] [source] 2024-09-28 15:44:04
>>jimbob+(OP)
Touched upon in "The State of the Culture 2024" By The Honest Broker.

Many graphics showing how art was swallowed by entertainment which was swallowed by distraction which was swallowed by addiction which is what Silicon Valley wants.

https://www.honest-broker.com/p/the-state-of-the-culture-202...

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1032. genewi+EG5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-28 16:38:37
>>Anthon+BY1
Martingale is dumb, but i think that's the point, it's telling you what not to do because the only way to recover your initial lost bet is to have a larger bank than the house (and why casinos restrict max bets, $2000 max, $10000 max) - martingale fails.

If you just gotta have a betting system because it helps quell the gambling anxiety or whatever, reverse martingale is fine. I made a video a long time ago about how it works[0] - but in essence, you only stand to lose your initial bet, and you have a bet schedule if you start winning. In "bet units" the way i do it is 1 unit until a win, then for each consecutive win: 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5 (etc). Everything after the first 3 unit bet is the casino's money you're gambling with, which is a good feeling. Note, this implies i consider each "round" that starts after a loss as separate from other rounds, obviously if you lose 20 times in a row and then win 3 games you're not suddenly in the green!

There's no system guaranteed to make you winner, but there are systems to help you lose more slowly, and reverse martingale is my go-to

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwu-5g3q-2E

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1033. mnahki+zI5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-28 16:54:07
>>acdha+VT2
They have a system for this in the UK https://www.gamstop.co.uk/ - though I only know it exists from TV adverts (presumably they are legally obligated to run these)
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1035. mnahki+mJ5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-28 17:00:50
>>Thunde+Ke5
Huh TIL that the usa taxes gambling winnings, and that you can offset with losses up to the amount of winnings (https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc419)

Guess it's good my luck was terrible in Vegas or I might've inadvertently committed tax fraud. Though now I'm curious if I had won a few hundred dollars would there have been tax due?

I'm pretty sure it's tax free in most countries.

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1045. giobox+Qb6[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-28 21:58:16
>>mppm+6Q1
The UK sort of had this for a while via "The Tote" - set up in the 1920s by the UK government, it ran stores that took sports bets, had a presence at almost all horse races etc providing safe/legitimate services.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tote

It operated alongside other private operators, but was entirely State owned and operated until it was privatized in 2011. I forget the specifics of it, but the Tote uses (or at least used to) some kind of "pool betting" model that meant it didn't profit directly from customers losing bets, being agnostic about the results was meant to reduce predatory pressures etc.

I think this likely helped a lot to give those who wanted to gamble somewhere they could always trust to honor the arrangement and avoid "underground" operators, I don't know that it helped all that much in reducing the social harms etc though.

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1046. mnahki+Pc6[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-28 22:13:09
>>robotr+c76
Are you sure? I never make bets over £20 or so, but my understanding is if I hit it big there's no tax to worry about - this source seems to agree, unless you're a professional gambler which somewhat makes sense https://intelligentodds.com/gambling/do-you-pay-tax-on-gambl...
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1108. stevie+fLq[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-10-07 02:46:48
>>eadmun+f33
You left out that the officer who shot and killed him did so by accident during the arrest. The police are not out there killing people "for" betting as you said.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110615051217/http://www.foxnew...

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