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1. crazyg+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-05-20 23:04:20
Yes, absolutely illegal. You don't need to copyright anything, you simply own the rights your own likeness -- your visual appearance and your voice.

A company can't take a photo from your Facebook and plaster it across an advertisement for their product without you giving them the rights to do that.

And if you're a known public figure, this includes lookalikes and soundalikes as well. You can't hire a ScarJo impersonator that people will think is ScarJo.

This is clearly a ScarJo soundalike. It doesn't matter whether it's an AI voice or clone or if they hired someone to sound just like her. Because she's a known public figure, that's illegal if she hasn't given them the rights.

(However, if you generate a synthetic voice that just happens to sound exactly like a random Joe Schmo, it's allowed because Joe Schmo isn't a public figure, so there's no value in the association.)

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2. zooq_a+L[view] [source] 2024-05-20 23:09:09
>>crazyg+(OP)
But is that Scarlett Jo or Producers of Her that own the copyright?

If you imitate Darth Vader, I don't think James Earl Jones has as much case for likeliness as Star Wars franchise

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3. nickth+S1[view] [source] 2024-05-20 23:13:48
>>crazyg+(OP)
If they didn’t use her actual voice for the training, didn’t hire voice talent to imitate her, didnt pursue her for a voice contract, didn’t make a reference to the movie in which she voices an AI, I feel OpenAI would have been on more stable legal footing. But they aren’t playing with a strong hand now and folded fast.
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4. cerule+S2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-20 23:20:03
>>zooq_a+L
James Earl Jones sold his voice rights to Disney a couple of years ago, so they can continue to use an AI likeness of his voice for future movies. https://ambadar.com/insights/james-earl-jones-signs-off-his-...
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5. crazyg+03[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-20 23:20:53
>>zooq_a+L
It's both.

If you just want ScarJo's (or James Earl Jones') voice, you need the rights from them. Period.

If you want to reuse the character of her AI bot from the movie (her name, overall personality, tone, rhythm, catchphrases, etc.), or the character of Darth Vader, you also need to license that from the producers.

And also from ScarJo/Jones if you want the same voice to accompany the character. (Unless they've sold all rights for future re-use to the producers, which won't usually be the case, because they want to be paid for sequels.)

6. howbad+1b[view] [source] 2024-05-21 00:11:23
>>crazyg+(OP)
Scarlet owns the voice of a stranger that happens to sound like her? That seems absurd.

Just find someone who sounds like her, then hire them for the rights to their voice.

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7. rockem+cb[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-21 00:12:19
>>nickth+S1
You're 100% correct and there's precedent

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

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8. callal+qc[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-21 00:20:19
>>howbad+1b
It’s really hard to assume in good faith that you are unfamiliar with the concept of impersonation. Just in case: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impersonator

There is no doubt that the hired actor was an impersonator, this was explicitly stated by scama himself.

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9. howbad+dj[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-21 01:02:21
>>callal+qc
The variance in voice is not that great. Just find someone who is very close to her voice naturally.
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10. GuB-42+Ll[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-21 01:26:23
>>nickth+S1
Not only that but they didn't credit the voice actress who sounds like her. If she was semi-famous and just naturally sounded like Scarlett Johansson, maybe they could have an argument: "it is not Scarlett, it is the famous [C-list actress] who worked in [production some people may know]".
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11. airstr+3n[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-21 01:36:50
>>howbad+dj
Doesn't matter if the intent is to make the listener think they're hearing ScarJo
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12. sneak+xn[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-21 01:41:04
>>callal+qc
I missed that; where did he say that?
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13. warche+Xq[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-21 02:14:32
>>callal+qc
It’s just that her voice by itself is relatively unremarkable. Someone like say, Morgan freeman, or Barack Obama, someone with a distinctive vocal delivery, that’s one thing. Scarlett Johansson, I couldn’t place her voice out of a lineup. I’m sure it’s pleasant I just can’t think of it.
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14. llamai+es[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-21 02:26:26
>>warche+Xq
Scarlett Johansson does absolutely have a distinctive and very famous voice. I wouldn’t take your own ignorance (not meant disparagingly) as evidence otherwise.

That’s why she was the voice actor for the AI voice in Her.

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15. tivert+2J[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-21 05:18:47
>>callal+qc
> There is no doubt that the hired actor was an impersonator, this was explicitly stated by scama himself.

And here's some caselaw where another major corporation got smacked down for doing the exact same thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

But given how unscrupulous Sam Altman appears to be, I wouldn't be surprised if OpenAI hired an impersonator as some kind half-ass legal cover, and went about using Johansson's voice anyway. Tech people do stupid shut sometimes because they assume they're so much cleverer than everyone else.

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16. serf+WQ[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-21 06:44:13
>>llamai+es
>That’s why she was the voice actor for the AI voice in Her.

She was used in Her because she has a dry/monotone/lifeless form of diction that at the time seemed like a decent stand-in for an non-human AI.

IMDB is riddled with complaints about his vocal-style/diction/dead-pan on every one of her movies. Ghost World, Ghost in the Shell, Lost in Translation, Comic-Book-Movie-1-100 -- take a line from one movie and dub it across the character of another and most people would be fooled, that's impressive given the breadth of quality/style/age across the movies.

When she was first on the scene I thought it was bad acting, but then it continued -- now I tend to think that it's an effort to cultivate a character personality similar to Steven Wright or Tom Waits; the fact that she's now litigating towards protection of her character and likeness reinforces that fact for me.

It's unique to her though , that's for sure.

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17. planed+z61[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-21 09:09:24
>>howbad+1b
Impersonating is defined by intent. "Just find someone who sounds like her" implies intent.
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18. kristi+bf1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-21 10:13:56
>>serf+WQ
>She was used in Her because she has a dry/monotone/lifeless form of diction that at the time seemed like a decent stand-in for an non-human AI

Do you have a source for this?

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19. warche+we6[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-22 19:57:07
>>llamai+es
You know I took some time to compare versus just reading the analysis and in particular I listened to the OpenAI demo and a scene from “her”.

Yeah not moving from my position at all. Just a very generic featureless female voice. I suppose I hear some similarities in timbre, but it’s such an unremarkable voice and diction that it’s hard to put your finger on anything past “generic low affect American alto”.

It’s a great computer voice. Taking it down is for sure the right call PR wise, regardless of whether they may have done.

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