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1. jcranm+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-01-11 05:51:43
It's not just social media... I think at this point, every newspaper I've read has more or less started saying that Israel is seriously screwing up, and there is especially unanimity in saying that Netanyahu needs to go.

I'm not going to try to enumerate Israel's mistakes, but when you decide to invite a coterie of journalists to the hospital you destroyed to provide proof of your claims that it was actually a hive center of terrorist activity, and all of them come away basically saying "this evidence isn't good enough," then that should be a sign that it's not PR that's the problem of Israel, it's Israeli actions that are the problem that needs addressing.

And on a personal level, I'm ashamed that my government is giving such unconditional support to a country that is acting in that manner.

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2. hindsi+03[view] [source] 2024-01-11 06:18:04
>>jcranm+(OP)
Americans really have the strangest views of Israeli politics. Bibi is about as moderate as you will find electable and maintain a gov’t there. All the alternates are worse.

I predict Congress will invite Bibi to a joint session of Congress to bolster support and let him trash a sitting Democratic President just like they did to Obama.

Then Bibi can visit Elon again and address any Trump talking points to the enjoyment of alt-nazis on X.

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3. justin+Bc[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-11 07:48:01
>>hindsi+03
> Bibi is about as moderate as you will find electable

Netanyahu is not electable. I mean, Israelis do not "elect" their Prime Minister, but still.

> I predict Congress will invite Bibi to a joint session of Congress to bolster support and let him trash a sitting Democratic President just like they did to Obama.

They'd be helping Biden's reelection chances.

4. tome+Qd[view] [source] 2024-01-11 07:57:53
>>jcranm+(OP)
Sorry, which hospital are you referring to?
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5. johnny+ak[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-11 08:50:45
>>tome+Qd
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/21/al-shifa-hos...

> The bare, white-tiled rooms showed no immediate evidence of use — for command and control or otherwise. There are no signs of recent habitation, including litter, food containers, clothing or other personal items.

> “This room was evacuated, and all the gear was evacuated. I guess it was evacuated when they knew or understand that we were going to enter Shifa Hospital,” Hagari said in the video.

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6. Pawger+Pw1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-11 16:12:37
>>hindsi+03
> I predict Congress will invite Bibi to a joint session of Congress to bolster support and let him trash a sitting Democratic President just like they did to Obama.

Interesting. Do you have a link of him coming into the whitehosue and trashing Obama? I assumed that relationship was fairly neutral after Obama gave him $40 Billion over the next 10 years.

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7. hindsi+872[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-11 18:26:00
>>Pawger+Pw1
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/democrats-react-benja...
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8. tome+ft4[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-12 08:18:53
>>johnny+ak
Al Shifa hospital has not been destroyed, nor has any hospital in Gaza, as far as I am aware.
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9. johnny+bN4[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-12 11:17:19
>>tome+ft4
As far as you're aware. Okay? What am I supposed to do with that? 2 seconds of googling yielded this:

> According to the Palestinian Ministry of Health, 26 out of the 35 hospitals across Gaza are non-functional because of damage sustained during the Israeli military assault or the lack of power.

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10. beeboo+sv5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-12 15:48:01
>>johnny+bN4
Israel isn't in Gaza at all. They're just on the borders playing with puppies. Hey, look over here. Puppies.
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11. tome+WW6[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-12 22:27:32
>>johnny+bN4
No one's provided evidence for the "destroyed hospital" that jcranmer claimed a "coterie of journalists" were invited to.
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12. johnny+ql7[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-13 01:39:19
>>tome+WW6
Then replace "destroyed" by "conducted a raid in", or even leave it out altogether, and nothing about the point of that sentence changes.
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13. tome+pL7[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-13 08:09:51
>>johnny+ql7
Interesting. To me there's a very strong difference between destroying and not destroying a hospital.
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14. johnny+Vlk[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-17 11:53:32
>>tome+pL7
Nope, the meaning is the exact same.

> I'm not going to try to enumerate Israel's mistakes, but when you decide to invite a coterie of journalists to the hospital you damaged to provide proof of your claims that it was actually a hive center of terrorist activity, and all of them come away basically saying "this evidence isn't good enough," then that should be a sign that it's not PR that's the problem of Israel, it's Israeli actions that are the problem that needs addressing.

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15. tome+APl[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-17 19:25:55
>>johnny+Vlk
Interesting! I'd definitely prefer that my hospital wasn't destroyed, just damaged. I guess others must feel differently.
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