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When I moved to Michigan I never realized that a suburb could not have a side walk. This is not uncommon in Michigan. That means that if you walk, or run, rollerblade, skate it has to be done in the street. Also lots of things are so much farther in Michigan than they were when I lived in Mass. In Mass I could go 3 miles in 30 minutes. In Michigan I can go 70 miles in 60 minutes

>>Decaby+(OP)
Same in North Carolina (was from California).

>>Decaby+(OP)
Oh there are whole neighborhoods in the Bay Area with no sidewalks.

>>inferi+y6
There are neighborhoods in DC and Denver with no sidewalk. In the city proper, sometimes near a transit station.

>>inferi+y6
Los Altos. I feel like that's more to discourage random people from loitering.

>>hot_gr+Jb
I feel like loitering, like jay-walking, is a crime invented for the purpose of selling cars. There's nothing inherently wrong with just hanging out on foot in a place where people are meant to be on foot and/or hanging out.

>>Decaby+(OP)
Relevant to this issue: https://sidewalk-sea.cs.washington.edu

>>diggin+hc
If you own a house in a suburb, and some random people are sitting on the sidewalk directly in front of your house instead of going to a nearby park or anything else of interest to them, you might wonder what they're up to.

>>diggin+hc
Don't worry, we Americans found out how to loiter in cars - it's called cruising and it's illegal in some cities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruising_(driving)

>>hot_gr+0h
Only because we've developed the culture that loitering is crime.

>>hot_gr+0h
Yeah, they paid all that money to not be living next to poor people. How dare they just waltz in and sit on their sidewalks?

>>xboxno+hT
Loitering in front of a house just looks suspicious, and I don't think there's any law against it. The crime is if you come back to find litter, or they've messed with your house.

>>_v7gu+dH1
Doesn't matter if they're poor. Teens who vandalize stuff are probably not poor either.

>>hot_gr+0h
That's because American suburbs are culture and commerce deserts, designed to sell cars (and to promote racism! but that's not the current topic). If you own a house in a livable neighborhood, with stores down the street, it isn't that weird for people to hang out in any particular spot. There are perfectly non-nefarious things/people they could be waiting for.

This is what I meant in the second half of my previous comment.

>>diggin+Sp2
The part about stores is what I mean too. If the neighborhood were mixed-purpose, there'd be a reason to hang out on the street.