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1. hot_gr+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-05-18 22:36:39
Los Altos. I feel like that's more to discourage random people from loitering.
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2. diggin+y[view] [source] 2023-05-18 22:39:34
>>hot_gr+(OP)
I feel like loitering, like jay-walking, is a crime invented for the purpose of selling cars. There's nothing inherently wrong with just hanging out on foot in a place where people are meant to be on foot and/or hanging out.
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3. hot_gr+h5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 23:03:14
>>diggin+y
If you own a house in a suburb, and some random people are sitting on the sidewalk directly in front of your house instead of going to a nearby park or anything else of interest to them, you might wonder what they're up to.
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4. bombca+pG[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 04:38:08
>>diggin+y
Don't worry, we Americans found out how to loiter in cars - it's called cruising and it's illegal in some cities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruising_(driving)
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5. xboxno+yH[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 04:48:55
>>hot_gr+h5
Only because we've developed the culture that loitering is crime.
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6. _v7gu+uv1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 12:23:48
>>hot_gr+h5
Yeah, they paid all that money to not be living next to poor people. How dare they just waltz in and sit on their sidewalks?
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7. hot_gr+I92[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 15:58:39
>>xboxno+yH
Loitering in front of a house just looks suspicious, and I don't think there's any law against it. The crime is if you come back to find litter, or they've messed with your house.
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8. hot_gr+xa2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 16:03:18
>>_v7gu+uv1
Doesn't matter if they're poor. Teens who vandalize stuff are probably not poor either.
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9. diggin+9e2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 16:25:44
>>hot_gr+h5
That's because American suburbs are culture and commerce deserts, designed to sell cars (and to promote racism! but that's not the current topic). If you own a house in a livable neighborhood, with stores down the street, it isn't that weird for people to hang out in any particular spot. There are perfectly non-nefarious things/people they could be waiting for.

This is what I meant in the second half of my previous comment.

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10. hot_gr+qE2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 18:37:32
>>diggin+9e2
The part about stores is what I mean too. If the neighborhood were mixed-purpose, there'd be a reason to hang out on the street.
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