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1. Workac+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:30:19
Can someone explain where this recent flurry (last 2 years or so) of anti-car evangelism has come from?

I can't help but feel that many people who now work remote and therefore don't need to commute suddenly are all for moving to mass transportation...that other people will use to get to work.

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2. lantry+Z[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:33:09
>>Workac+(OP)
I think part of it is caused by a growing awareness that we can't have good car infrastructure and good public transportation infrastructure ("can't" in the sense of "not enough political will", rather than "not physically possible").

People want good public transportation, and they recognize that they aren't going to get it in a car-centric society

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3. eppp+31[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:33:26
>>Workac+(OP)
I have commuted an hour each way for 20 years in a rural area. I hate cars and will evangelize against them at every opportunity. I am glad others are starting to come around.
4. lagnia+l1[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:34:18
>>Workac+(OP)
Bikes are fun, cars are expensive. It's hard to explain. I could drive the same roads for 10 years and you ride it once on the bike and notice all kinds of noises, smells, things to see that you didn't notice before.
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5. IIAOPS+w1[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:34:56
>>Workac+(OP)
Read the whole article. It is far from anti-car evangelism. If anything its an odyssey into the way social movements and how we move are intertwined, the well known forces of simple luck and shortsightedness that influenced the past, and ends on a note questioning hpw the present zeitgeist will rank next to its peers.
6. mrbabb+F1[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:35:44
>>Workac+(OP)
It's always been here. Different places get to the epiphany at different times -- places like the Netherlands figured this out in the 1980s, in the wake of the oil crisis. [1]

The key change of the last few years has been very successful and very high profile car-free / car-light policies, most notably in Paris.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/05/amsterdam-bic...

7. ab_goa+K1[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:36:02
>>Workac+(OP)
People are waking up to the fact that private car ownership does not scale because infrastructure for it is so expensive and there are severe negative impacts to society because of car proliferation.

Additionally the cost to own a newly acquired new or used car has substantially increased over the past few years.

edits: infrastructure, private

8. yohann+M1[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:36:07
>>Workac+(OP)
It is not a zero-sum game. Pushing for abolishing the prefer status of cars over mass-transportation doesn't means to stop people using their cars. But to reveal the real cost (financial, economical, and environmental) of driving. Please drive as mush as you want, or anybody, but please, don't ask other to subsidize that choice.
9. beznet+R1[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:36:37
>>Workac+(OP)
Anecdotally I started getting more on board with this movement from the increased information on urban planning from Youtube channels like Not Just Bikes & City Beautiful. I personally never conceived of walkability, having lived in car-centric suburbia my entire life. I now live in a walkable area and can confirm that, for me, my quality of life has improved.
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10. mperha+X1[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:37:01
>>Workac+(OP)
A common expression is "parking is the third rail of local politics". More parking is the number one demand for every aged driver in City Council meetings and absurd parking costs the chief reason why development projects are cancelled.

Much of our housing shortage is directly due to parking minimums and its resulting tacit ban on high-density housing.

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11. thanat+82[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:37:27
>>Workac+(OP)
People who don't drive want denser cities where things are closer together; but sprawled out cities are all but imposed by car centered development -- highways, parking spaces, etc.
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12. gianca+e2[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:37:43
>>Workac+(OP)
I don't know, and I'm one of those fully remote people, but here in Central Florida, if you don't have a car, you're pretty much unable to go anywhere. Everything is a 30 minute drive depending on what you're hoping to do for the day and where you live.
13. 0zemp2+l2[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:38:12
>>Workac+(OP)
forever-single laptop-caste urbanites
14. matsem+B2[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:39:42
>>Workac+(OP)
It's not just "remote workers telling others what to do", that's a pretty uncharitable view.. It's all walks of life getting behind this movement lately.

As for someone that's been "anti-car" for quite some time, I'm not sure why it's suddenly exploded. But I think lots of people enjoyed the cities more with less traffic during covid, and realized the streets can be made for the people, not metal boxes on wheels.

One other factor is global increase in house/rental prices. Seeing your local government prioritize parking instead of housing, or NIMBYs blocking new development, has angered lots of people and they're now taking action. Or cities spending billions on adding yet another lane to their 26 lane wide highway while the public transportation is famished.

Also, with people feeling the rising cost of living etc, it's easy for people to look for ways to remove what is a huge chunk of their spending: their car.

Additionally, lots of great contents the later years. Strongtowns, NotJustBikes etc is orange pilling lots of people that have already started to be curious about these issue. Driven by memes from fuckcars etc, it's become a movement.

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15. 0zemp2+D3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 15:44:09
>>mperha+X1
the people against parking minimums live in a fantasy world

what you get is people parking on the sidewalk

what you get is people leaving garbage bins out all week to "protect" their spot

what you get is legit road-rage level violence over people blocking driveways or protecting spots or leaving cars parked too long

people have cars, they need a place to put them, even in fantasyland

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16. pkulak+P3[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:44:56
>>Workac+(OP)
When you're born into car-dependency, it's the water you swim in. You need someone else to say, "But what if not?". So it starts slow. Very slow. But once it builds, you get an inflection point. I hope we're there now.
17. fulafe+74[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:46:13
>>Workac+(OP)
The climate crisis, even with EVs we need to ramp down private car usage (and curb its growth in developing countries).
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18. jerome+g4[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:46:43
>>Workac+(OP)
I think part of it is realizing that there are a lot of benefits that come from giving lower priority to cars. You increase density, you can now live in a neighborhood where you can walk to do all your errands, you feel more safe when your kids are outside or crossing the street, you feel more safe biking around and getting exercise at the same time, etc. It comes with a larger movement of urbanism.

Can't say why the movement picked up exactly, just like everything, there are cycles, and after decades of building highways all over our cities and realizing how bad the situation got and how it never really "solved" traffic, there's just a return to a different way of planning cities.

19. Brendi+I4[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:48:24
>>Workac+(OP)
Advocacy has been making some impact; I joke that it's one area where I've consciously allowed Twitter to radicalize me.

I'd imagine the spike in car prices over the past couple of years contributes as well. A car is an expensive investment that eats a huge part of your income just so you can participate in society, and I'm sure plenty of people feel the pain of this.

The solve for is one or more of these:

1. Make cars cheaper, but various market and regulatory forces seem to be conspiring against that

2. Make cities cheaper so you can move to good transit, but housing isn't in great supply there

3. Make public transit better and broader so more people can use it, but this faces opposition from people in the suburbs and exurbs who have car-centric assumptions baked into their lifestyle

1 is a multilayered problem with a lot of entrenched interests, so it's hard to solve. 2 and 3 are persuasion issues first and foremost, and the persuasion battle can be a lot more localized. So it doesn't surprise me that people are fighting those battles.

EDIT: Napkin math plus some searching said it's about $9,000 a year to own and operate a car on average. $750/month to participate in society. That's 8 annual fares for Pittsburgh's public transit, by way of comparison.

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20. dijit+L4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 15:48:34
>>0zemp2+D3
but imagine that they weren't forced to own a car and could do everything they need to do without one.
21. sum1zi+15[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:49:42
>>Workac+(OP)
Significant drop off in licensed drivers was ongoing before covid. From 88ish percent of 16+ year olds in 1990s to 70ish percent by 2015.

Theories all mention urban population growth putting people closer to stuff and friends who are available to run errands since it’s not a one hour one way trip from ruralandia. Taxi/ride share, delivery services, increased investment in walkable neighborhoods… it’s all really happening?

Old numbers I read a while ago. I imagine wfh has made more people realize the same only occasional need for a car.

Similarly drop off in youth participation in contact sports like football was gaining steam before covid. A contraction in college and pro participation is probable in 10+ years.

Especially as AI generated content gets to be able to simulate unique sports with photorealistic visuals; most viewers are at home already.

Propping up the status quo culture of the last 50 years is not really an obligation of future generations.

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22. DoneWi+k5[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:50:24
>>Workac+(OP)
It’s part degrowth mindset, part climate doomerism, part immaturity, and part naïveté due to the urban-living bias in the left Twitter verse and reddit. For the last one it’s a whole lot of people who dominate the conversation live in places where public transportation is a lot more feasible than the other 80% of the US where it’s completely and utterly unworkable.
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23. pkulak+t5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 15:50:41
>>0zemp2+D3
Well now, this is an interesting take that you don't see applied to any other resource.

"If this harmful, expensive thing isn't free, a few people will steal it."

"Better make it free forever then, and force all of society to pay for it, whether they use it or not."

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24. Brendi+s6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 15:54:47
>>beznet+R1
I had an epiphany at some point when I realized my elementary school was easily within walking distance (~1 mile away) but the thought of walking or biking to school absolutely _never_ crossed my mind because I was in a subdivision and a four-lane split highway with a 55 MPH speed limit separated my house and the school.

I got into running after college and lived in a borough where things were walkable and some decent landmarks were no more than two miles away. Things felt close, and accessible. I went home for Thanksgiving once and realized that, while there were plenty of things that were kind of in range (grocery store ~2.5mi, shopping mall ~3mi, mini-golf ~1.5mi), the fact that it all ran through that highway made everything feel far, and it was never feasible to do anything but drive.

And I'm not even sure the solve needs "make my hometown area dense"! But if you had protected bike lanes on the highway and made everyone slow down a bit to let pedestrians through, that could be a massive improvement for everyone.

Now that people are working from home, it might not be necessary for suburban families to have two cars. I would know, I've been one-car for over four years now I think. Additions like walking paths and bike lanes and better bus access can make a huge difference and can save thousands of dollars a year on vehicle costs.

25. brianw+D6[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:55:17
>>Workac+(OP)
Not new. Go read 10 year old Mr Money Mustache.
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26. randcr+Y6[view] [source] 2023-05-18 15:56:33
>>Workac+(OP)
I'd agree that the evangelism emphasizes “anti-“ cars rather than “pro-“ alternatives. If it were the latter, I'd see far more constructive suggestions on how to better adopt and improve alternatives to cars — rail, buses, motorcycles, ebikes, bikes, or walking — especially in the neighborhoods most dependent on cars now — suburbs, exurbs, and rural — where a huge fraction of the US lives still and, oddly enough, may grow faster than cities for years to come, especially if remote work continues to rise and insanely high urban real estate prices don't fall.
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27. JKCalh+Q7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 15:58:43
>>lantry+Z
I would add that cars have become outrageously expensive in the past so-many years as well.

My sister and I watched day-time game shows on days when we were stuck inside during the Summer months as kids in the mid 1970s. Even as kids we knew when watching The Price is Right that the first digit in the price of a new car was a "3".

(Oh, forgot to mention the price of a new car was also only four digits.)

I know, I know, that was nearly five decades ago....

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28. welshw+w9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 16:04:56
>>0zemp2+D3
Sounds like something the market can solve. Instead of giving limited parking spaces to whoever got there first, sell them to the highest bidder.

Monthly parking in Manhattan is $1000/month. If you want a car, you gotta pay for the space it takes up. We could be using that space for better things.

People parking on the sidewalk? Great! Tow them and fine them, and now the city has another source of revenue.

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29. Brendi+8m[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 16:53:22
>>DoneWi+k5
> completely and utterly unworkable

Pittsburgh used to have a vibrant rail and trolley system. Most American cities that were established before cars did. It's absolutely workable, it's just a question of priorities.

> part immaturity

Explain please?

> degrowth mindset

Not inherently. For many it's just a question of where people want the growth to be, and which modes of transit get priority.

I live about 30 minutes from Pittsburgh in an area that could be called rural (or at least a rural-feeling part of a suburb), and 80% of where I need to travel more or less happens on a straight line of road that follows the Ohio River. There's no inherent reason why that must be a highway instead of a railway.

I have bus stops that are about a mile and three miles away; if one of those was also a train station it would vastly cut down on the amount of driving I'd have to do. I'd enjoy that greatly!

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30. joseph+Nw[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 17:36:26
>>randcr+Y6
Indeed. I'll only consider a proposal legitimate if it's of the form "let's leave cars alone and make public transit better", not "let's make cars worse to drive".
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31. matsem+ZC[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 18:06:16
>>lagnia+l1
I've used https://wandrer.earth/ to track my cycling, and am trying to bike every street where I live. Discovered so many nice things in my neighborhood I never would have seen from a car!
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32. bombca+Am1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 21:54:36
>>mperha+X1
I've only ever heard of parking complaints in urban areas.

Suburbs are awash with parking. Maybe we should require parking to be "behind" stores instead of in front.

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33. bombca+Xm1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 21:56:29
>>Brendi+I4
$9k a year may be some sort of an average, but there's got to be flex in that, because poor people drive cars and poor people don't make that kind of money.

If you can get a beater for $1k and some insurance, you're basically down to gas (when the beater dies, you get another one or fix it).

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34. bombca+cn1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 21:57:23
>>joseph+Nw
I fear the implication is that "we tried to make public transit better, and there's only so much we can do, so the next step is to make cars exceedingly expensive."
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35. bombca+wn1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 21:58:47
>>sum1zi+15
Much that can be tied to increased insurance for under 18s and additional licensing requirements. In the 90s a kid could get a permit at 15 in CA and a license at 16 without anything exceptionally special.

IIRC now they end up with some sort of restricted license that can't do much beyond go to school and insurance is through the roof.

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36. dukeyu+0q1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 22:10:44
>>bombca+cn1
There's also the problem that by making public transport better, you're necessarily making driving worse. Like taking money from the roads budget and giving it to the trains budget. Or taking a slice of road away from cars and making a bike lane.
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37. bombca+2v1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 22:35:46
>>dukeyu+0q1
Presenting it as a zero-sum game is part of the problem! It doesn't have to be cars or bikes or trains.

You could take from the hotel tax to pay for trains, or build bike paths that go alongside or orthogonal to roads.

If you go to people and say "cars or trains, pick one" of course cars will win every single time. You want to say "here's a solution to a problem that doesn't make your life worse". Which is why many of the newest suburbs and developments have the best bike/walking options - they're being considered from the start.

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38. carlos+rx1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 22:47:50
>>thanat+82
They kind of have that already in malls - which are usually serviced by public transit. I think there's a balance always to be had to not have cities turn into hell scapes in either direction. Cars are in many places essential to avoid being a victim of street crime in this day and age.
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39. shipsc+3y1[view] [source] 2023-05-18 22:51:07
>>Workac+(OP)
The anti car evangelism has been going on for 6+ years if you've lived in an urban area. Your point about the non-affected advocating for public transit is 100% true though. I've been dragged for pro car statements before, and the people dragging me are NEVER actually New Yorkers or Manhattanites, they're always either Brooklyn Transplants or people who are spread randomly across the US.

New Yorkers know that working class people have to commute into Manhattan and often save hours driving instead of taking the train. The pro bike keyboard warriors should go to Manhattan during the work day and ask a worker at any downtown Manhattan restaurant how they get there.

40. chung8+oA1[view] [source] 2023-05-18 23:02:49
>>Workac+(OP)
I think there are a couple factors. There was a generation of people that kept getting their licenses later and didn't have as much interest in driving.

Lately on youtube videos from Strongtowns and notjustbikes are going more viral but there are a lot of different videos out there that are anti car. This all leads to more interest in the topic.

Remote work may have been a factor as well I am not sure. I still get the weird look amongst friends for using the bus but it is becoming a little less (I do own and love cars too).

Edit: "Are teens really not driving anymore?

Not as much, certainly. The trend has been developing for a while now. In 2013, National Geographic noted a Michigan study showing that the percentage of 19-year-olds with a license had fallen from 87 percent in 1983 to 70 percent in 2010 — and that the percentage of 17-year-old drivers fell from 69 to 43 percent during the same time period. And The Wall Street Journal in 2019 reported that while nearly half of 16-year-olds were driving in the 1980s, just a quarter were by 2017. The Washington Post, drawing on data from the Federal Highway Administration, suggests the number remained at about 25 percent in 2020. "

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41. chung8+pB1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 23:08:48
>>welshw+w9
I have always thought we should do away with free street parking. It is a valuable resource that should be used for the city to make money or turn into something everyone enjoys. This is a direct impact for the poor (like tolling a road) and will be met with serious resistance. What the OP talks about is what happened in the LA suburbs I lived in (SFV). People even got non-working cars that they pushed around to save spots (you can space the cars out so no one can park and tighten them up so you can park).
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42. wrycod+6E1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 23:25:29
>>bombca+Am1
Except at the mass transit railheads, where it is severely lacking. If you want suburban people to use mass transit, then stop discouraging them, and give them a place to park their cars (which are necessary to get from their homes to the miles away railheads).
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43. mperha+pG1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-18 23:39:11
>>wrycod+6E1
Building giant parking garages ("commuting park and ride") is a failed concept and does not work. No one wants to live around a giant parking area and no one will walk through it to get to the train because there's no housing density nearby. Better to build high density housing around the station with little parking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxWjtpzCIfA

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44. Brendi+yV1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 01:48:19
>>bombca+Xm1
~30MPG, ~10K miles a year is about $1200. And even if you can get a car for $1000 (much harder to do post-Covid!), that car is about to rack up a large and unexpected bill. The last year I had our second car, the rust fix to pass inspection was a $2k quote.

And buying cars can be a stressful process, it's not like you can just walk down the street and pick up another $1k beater whenever you want. Car buying often involves arranging rides and childcare for car shopping, and being forced to settle with whatever's out there when you need it.

Yes, you can undercut $9k if you find a cheap car and some luck, or if you know how to work on it yourself, or if you live in an area where salt doesn't destroy your car, if you don't have kids so you can go subcompact, etc. But in my experience, when you buy a cheaper, more high-mileage car, you're not saving a ton vs buying a similarly equipped lower-mileage car. It's more a matter of when you're spending the money.

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45. nayuki+ZY1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 02:20:15
>>bombca+Am1
Even in suburbs, parking can be used as a talking point to block densification projects. Oh no, we're going to build a 10-storey apartment, where are the residents going to park??//
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46. nayuki+LZ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 02:28:26
>>carlos+rx1
Malls are an imperfect substitute for urbanism. Malls have closing hours, streets don't. Malls are usually surrounded by moats of parking so that drivers get priority and pedestrians / transit riders have walk a long and dangerous way into the mall. Malls can kick you out for loitering or if they don't like how you look.

It is true that some people use suburban malls as urban replacements. Teenagers use it for hanging out with friends, seniors use it for walking, and some sit and daydream. But the mall is not a real replacement for urbanism.

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47. nayuki+YZ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 02:32:08
>>brianw+D6
Ironically MMM recently splurged on a Tesla after driving a cheap car for a decade. https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2023/04/27/why-buy-model-y/

In the past he railed against car usage: https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/04/18/get-rich-with-bik... , https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2015/07/27/rent-vs-buy/ , https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2017/10/24/get-rich-with-con...

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48. bombca+Ke2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 05:08:42
>>Brendi+yV1
> rust fix to pass inspection

what is this? around here if the rust can accelerate to 88 mph it's fully considered fine and nobody cares

and I agree the spend is probably worth it (or I wouldn't be waiting for Toyota to start making the damn Sienna again) but the reality is millions of poor people drive clunkers and make it work somehow.

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49. bombca+Ve2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 05:10:35
>>fulafe+74
Instead we developed this thing: https://www.gmc.com/electric/hummer-ev/suv

Because what everyone needs is a SUV that weighs 9000 pounds and can accelerate to 60 MPH in 3.5 seconds.

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50. bombca+3f2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 05:11:49
>>nayuki+YZ1
MMM has kinda lost the plot ever since the divorce, I feel.
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51. Brendi+SK2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 10:41:46
>>bombca+Ke2
Heh. The state of Pennsylvania mandates annual inspections and rusty holes in the floor are a no-no.
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52. Brendi+SU2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 11:48:01
>>bombca+Ke2
https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/loans/auto-loans/average-...

I wasn't able to find anything like "average car payment for low-income Americans", but this link shows that average car payments are pretty evenly spread across the credit score spectrum, with rates inching up as you go down, probably because of higher interest rates. No idea if credit score is a proxy for wealth though.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/15/cars/car-loan-interest-rates-...

A ton of concerning stuff here, most notably that two-thirds of these loans have 5.5-7 year terms now, compared to 30% in 2004. The article it links to shows that for 2023 Q1, the average term is 70 months, down payment is $4k, APR is 11.1% (!!!!), so that the monthly payment is $551 even as down payment increases and amount borrowed decreases.

Again, I don't want to say you're wrong: you can find cheap cars, people survive with clunkers. And the most frustrating part about searching this is that I haven't been able to separate the rich people buying Escalades from the poor people buying entry-level vans, so I don't have a sense of demographic makeup here.

But all of the trendlines are pointing towards car payments being bigger than ever and terms longer than ever. Mash that up with higher interest rates and some lingering supply constraints and it's not a healthy market right now, which is why it doesn't surprise me that people are yearning for a different solution that doesn't involve a heavy reliance on cars.

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53. carlos+d73[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 12:58:52
>>nayuki+LZ1
Yes, it is not the same thing, but you could also voice the same complaints against city centers without car access. Most urban malls I've seen have access from the sidewalk and parking underground.

> Malls can kick you out for loitering or if they don't like how you look.

That is probably a huge advantage in most people's eyes.

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54. bombca+Ts3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 14:56:59
>>Brendi+SK2
Wow and I thought the CA exhaust sniffing on a dyno was a bit extreme. It's amazing how different states are in the USA in things you never think about.
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55. bombca+5t3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 14:57:50
>>nayuki+ZY1
It's just that, a talking point. If they add a huge parking garage underground the people who don't want the development will find something else to complain about.
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56. uoaei+Z94[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 18:39:47
>>bombca+2v1
There is only so much physical space for transit infrastructure. In many cases, unless you're going to cut down people's homes or businesses, you will be trading off from one mode to another. Exceptions are things like unused green spaces under subway tracks (looking at you, Caltrans) and things like that.

There's also the social design component: making driving uncomfortable increases the relative comfort of public transit, meaning people would be more likely to choose the latter over the former, improving the chances of a critical mass of public transit utilization.

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57. wrycod+cL6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-20 20:39:57
>>mperha+pG1
A thousand residences takes a lot more space than parking for a thousand cars.

In my area, the lot is full, but the buses are fairly empty, as there is not enough parking to support the bus station.

I agree about zoning for density. That’s not the problem in this case.

There’s nothing wrong with individually owned vehicles in rural areas. Work with that, instead of fighting it.

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58. brianw+7pb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-22 16:09:42
>>bombca+3f2
Or since making millions off his blog
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