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1. neom+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-03-01 09:57:52
I find it a little odd that Elon seems to take a swipe at OpenAI any opportunity he gets. If he cares so much about them not making money, maybe he should have put his twitter cash there instead? It's reassuring to me that the two people running policy work at the big AI "startups", Jack Clark (Anthropic) and Miles Brundage (OpenAI, who was hired by Jack iirc), are genuinely good humans. I've known Jack for 10 years and he's for sure a measured and reasonable person who cares about not doing harm. Although I don't know Miles, my understanding is he has similar qualities. If they're gonna be for profit, I feel this is really important.

Edit: Well, I guess these tweets explain the beef well -

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1606642155346612229

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1626516035863212034

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1599291104687374338

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1096987465326374912

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2. lfkdev+Z1[view] [source] 2023-03-01 10:16:51
>>neom+(OP)
"OpenAI was created as an open source (which is why I named it “Open” AI), non-profit company to serve as a counterweight to Google, but now it has become a closed source, maximum-profit company effectively controlled by Microsoft.

Not what I intended at all." - Elon

You can think what you want of Elon, but he is in the right here.

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3. prox+h2[view] [source] 2023-03-01 10:18:33
>>neom+(OP)
Could you sum up the beefs if it is relevant? I ignore twitter as much as I can.

Part of me feels that in the run to more privacy, we don’t really have a reputation system anymore. You mention that Jack and Miles are good people, but how can we know such things as a general public?

In the days of yore and people were local you kind of new who was who. In the global space, this becomes hard. I feel this ties in with discussions on trust and leaning into people who are responsible and wise.

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4. neom+x2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 10:21:37
>>prox+h2
It's basically exactly as the article. He said he founded open AI (hmmm) with the idea that it's open... ai.. and now it's not, it's closed and for-profit. Re: Jack and Miles, not only is your point well taken, we'd also have to agree that I'm a good judge of character...! :D
5. sigmoi+R2[view] [source] 2023-03-01 10:24:11
>>neom+(OP)
OpenAI went downhill fast after Elon left the board of directors due to a "conflict of interest" with Tesla. I don't know if he would have allowed the for-profit restructuring after giving them so much money precisely so that it didn't need profits for AI research. It probably also didn't help that he poached Karpathy from them and put him in charge of Tesla's AI efforts. So it's no surprise that there is a lot of potiential beef here.
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6. freeho+y4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 10:44:39
>>sigmoi+R2
So Elon wanted to build an open source non-profit AI but had to resign from openAI, which he had cofounded with that intention, because he wanted to create a closed-source and for-profit AI for Tesla and that brought a conflict of interest. Sounds quite contradictory to me to present this as an argument to construct an image of open-source, non-profit advocate. It reads as "I support open-source etc AI as long as it is others who do it, my intentions are to use AI for profit".
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7. RobotT+M4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 10:47:15
>>lfkdev+Z1
As much as I agree with what he's saying here, it seems a little insincere when all the tesla ai stuff is closed source.
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8. rainco+25[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 10:49:07
>>lfkdev+Z1
Yeah, parent comment complains Elon is bashing OpenAI "any opportunity he gets"... while unable to point out how Elon's comment is wrong.

Maybe they just wants to express how much they don't like Elon any opportunity they gets.

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9. rvz+Q5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 10:54:05
>>lfkdev+Z1
He is definitely right there. At this point, I consider OpenAI partially acquired by Microsoft, since it is almost majority controlled by them. It is essentially a Microsoft AI division.

It is similar to what Microsoft did with Facebook in the early days of slowing acquiring a stake in the company. But this is an aggressive version of that with OpenAI. What you have now is the exact opposite of their original goals in: [0]

Before:

> Our goal is to advance digital intelligence in the way that is most likely to benefit humanity as a whole, unconstrained by a need to generate financial return. [0]

After:

> Our mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence—AI systems that are generally smarter than humans—benefits all of humanity. [1]

The real 'Open AI' is Stability AI, since they are more willing to release their work and AI models rather than OpenAI was supposed to do.

[0] https://openai.com/blog/introducing-openai/

[1] https://openai.com/blog/planning-for-agi-and-beyond

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10. lfkdev+f6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 10:57:56
>>RobotT+M4
Since when was Tesla created to be open-source and non-profit?
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11. throwa+P6[view] [source] 2023-03-01 11:03:16
>>neom+(OP)
I tend to disagree with almost everything Elon but he seems to be right on this one, no?
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12. Taek+R6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 11:03:44
>>lfkdev+f6
They did open source all of their battery patents. Tesla isn't Mozilla, but they do have somewhat of a moral high ground to stand on.
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13. stefan+c7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 11:07:02
>>lfkdev+Z1
Well, minus the part where it never was Open, even when it was Elon.
14. ad404b+r7[view] [source] 2023-03-01 11:09:21
>>neom+(OP)
This "not doing harm" narrative is very grating. It's just another transparent and self-serving attempt by a company to co-opt progressive vernacular to justify whatever questionable policy they have as a moral imperative.

This is the corporate equivalent of "think of the children". A justification that could have been used to gate-keep any and all aspects of computer science, and one that isn't even logically consistent since they only hide their code and weights while still publishing their research: making it ultimately reproducible by malicious actors, especially those well-funded, while slowing down researchers and competitors.

We are privileged to work in a field where we have open access journals, and where there is a large undergoing drive to improve the reproducibility of papers by releasing the code and weights. Their behaviour is the antithesis of what the field is working towards and having talked to many researchers, I don't know many that are fooled by it.

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15. mort96+19[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 11:25:40
>>lfkdev+Z1
I don't understand. He's listed as one of the founders, and I always assumed he had some say. If that's really how he thinks, why wouldn't he have done something?

Do we have any reason to believe this isn't just more empty grifting from him to optically distance himself from a unethical company he profits from?

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16. sebzim+c9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 11:27:47
>>RobotT+M4
Right, and if Tesla was called OpenCars or something it would be entirely reasonable to criticise them on that point.
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17. wodeno+gb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 11:44:37
>>mort96+19
Key word being "had".

He is not part of it any more.

>In 2018, Musk resigned his board seat, citing "a potential future conflict [of interest]" with his role as CEO of Tesla due to Tesla's AI development for self-driving cars, but remained a donor

I don't think he counts as an investor, and I'd imagine he has stopped donating.

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18. andrep+Wf[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 12:22:41
>>rvz+Q5
Yeah I'm sure $massive_megacorp with a monopoly on $critical_technology has our best interests at heart. Doesn't anybody read sci-fi anymore??
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19. Aicy+Pj[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 12:53:22
>>freeho+y4
We can have some nuance here.

Tesla was set up as a for-profit company and is such beholden to shareholders, and so using closed-source AI for profit is the path Tesla is going down.

OpenAI was set up as a non-profit company and only beholden to its values, and promised to be open-source.

These two organisations incentives contradict each other, and so it makes sense for Elon Musk to separate himself from one of them. You could argue that Elon Musk should have instead separated himself from Tesla, but that is a big ask for someone to leave their main lifetime project.

I don't think you can put the blame on Elon Musk that OpenAI later became ClosedAI (while not under his watch), some other members of OpenAI have to be responsible.

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20. atchoo+4k[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 12:54:38
>>wodeno+gb
The irony here is that Musk resigned in order to pursue his own closed-source for profit AI businesses and is now complaining about OpenAI being closed-source and for profit AI.

If people are feeling conflicted about who the asshole is in this situation, don't be, they are all morally bankrupt assholes who all already have many lifetimes of unimaginable wealth yet must take ever more. These are not people who should have any power in our world.

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21. narag+Jl[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 13:07:13
>>rainco+25
He edited the comment and linked relevant tweets.

I would add this one:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1630640058507116553

I had no idea about this drama either, so I didn't understand what Elon was talking about, now it seems clear.

But "Based"? Is it the name of his new AI company? Where does that come from?

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22. Alexan+6s[view] [source] 2023-03-01 13:48:09
>>neom+(OP)
> It's reassuring to me that the two people running policy work at the big AI "startups", Jack Clark (Anthropic) and Miles Brundage (OpenAI, who was hired by Jack iirc), are genuinely good humans. I've known Jack for 10 years and he's for sure a measured and reasonable person who cares about not doing harm.

I think this hardly matters. Both companies are competing in a market and if the ethics stands in the way of market dominance and shareholder value, ethics will generally lose out.

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23. permo-+Ew[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 14:15:01
>>narag+Jl
"Based" is slang for "cool" or "in" that's common on 4chan, but I believe has its origins in the 90s offline

on 4chan it's largely used to mean something along the lines of "fitting the 4chan anti-groupthink groupthink"

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24. permo-+3y[view] [source] 2023-03-01 14:22:44
>>neom+(OP)
I don't see the problem. he's making some quite valid criticisms of OpenAI. Jesus himself could be in charge of policy work there and that wouldn't change the fact that "Open"AI is anything but open
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25. neom+ky[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 14:24:46
>>permo-+Ew
I do recall people saying based a lot in the 90s, it meant based in reality.
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26. neom+By[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 14:26:07
>>narag+Jl
Yeah I had no clue what his deal was, but I decided to search his tweets for "openAI" and it became clear pretty quickly. Interestingly, for the same reason as the article.
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27. neom+Vy[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 14:27:48
>>permo-+3y
Two disparate thoughts.
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28. NewLog+Vz[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 14:32:49
>>Taek+R6
That is marketing spin, his offer was freely licencing their patents in exchange for free usage from other big automakers which he knew would never happen.
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29. permo-+mA[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 14:35:54
>>neom+Vy
if they were two disparate thoughts why did you put them next to each other with no indication of the disparity? and why do the two things have clear impact on each other?
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30. neom+GC[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 14:48:07
>>permo-+mA
I don't think they impact each other, I thought it was weird elon was taking random swipes at openai, but when I searched his Twitter for openai, the collection of tweets made it clear, interestingly for the same reason the article states (I tend to agree with Elon and the article).

In other news, imo, if a startup doing society altering work per the article is going to be closed, at least, imo, the people working there are decent people.

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31. boring+PD[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 14:55:10
>>freeho+y4
I think you should probably read up on Elon's statements about AI and you would probably realize that, at least from the statements, he doesn't trust AI and has deep concern about it (hence why he was part of OpenAI to keep watch over its progress).

The models used at Tesla are vastly different than the LLM models. There is nuance here.

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32. permo-+tF[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 15:05:32
>>wodeno+gb
this is pedantic, but the parent comment was conjugating "to have" to "had" via the subjunctive, not via the past tense
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33. permo-+sG[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 15:10:57
>>neom+GC
okay, I do see what you're saying now you explain it, but can you see how your original comment can appear more like "I find Elon criticising OpenAI weird: OpenAI is fine because these two guys I know [/of] are at the helm"
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34. neom+SK[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 15:37:32
>>permo-+sG
Yeah, it was a confusing post, my bad! I edited it like 5 times as I learned more about the situation and it became somewhat nonsensical, heh. :)
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35. Jeremy+sL[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 15:40:47
>>narag+Jl
"Based" is a catchphrase of the extremely online right. It basically means "cool" but with a subtext of "is annoying to libs/normies who just don't get it."

See also "pilled."

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36. polish+uM[view] [source] 2023-03-01 15:47:16
>>neom+(OP)
I'm sure history has had many "measured genuinely good people" at the helm of what would become some pretty evil ventures. I don't think being genuinely good scales. I think having grit and conviction scales. Weather you're genuinely good or not is not what wins out.
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37. ajkjk+fP[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 16:00:34
>>Jeremy+sL
For many years it was just a term in gamer culture, I guess it has been repurposed a bit in the last few years.
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38. number+DQ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 16:06:00
>>lfkdev+Z1
He is, but it is weird given the history he has. He was kicked out of Paypal because he wanted to use the MS tech stack instead of LAMP at the time. Now some decades later here he is.
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39. number+mR[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 16:09:04
>>Jeremy+sL
Words become political when you start injecting politics in them. It originally meant "cool" and had no political connotations to it. It originated on 4chan. And just because some group happens to use a word more frequently doesn't suddenly turn you into a NAZI if you happen to like using the same word.
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40. Idiot_+ZR[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 16:12:07
>>number+DQ
You've got the story wrong. He wasn't kicked out because of the stack debate, but because he sold PP to eBay (making enough money in the process to fund Tesla and SpaceX).
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41. the_on+rS[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 16:13:23
>>number+mR
I’m not sure why people are still talking about it as some insular 4chan slang. Like much of 4chan culture, it’s spread to most of the rest of the internet by now. Hell I’ve seen “based” comments on HN.
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42. number+sT[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 16:16:55
>>the_on+rS
I shun most of the internet these days. HN and (German) reddit are the only "socials" I use. I have no clue what is happening on the wider Anglo speaking internet, especially Twitter and such is completely alien to me.
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43. HarHar+7W[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 16:28:23
>>lfkdev+Z1
Well, he's only right in the observation that OpenAI is no longer what it originally claimed it would be (OTOH with a couple of the founders being venture capitalists, one has to wonder how sincere that intention ever was).

It seems a bit ironic that "evil" Google openly published the paper ("Attention is all you need") that desribes the "Transformer" architecture that now anyone such as OpenAI with the money and inclination can use to build their own ChatGPT. Turns out it's about money (10,000 GPUs + tons of data to train this thing) not any secret sauce.

And now Musk's concern has changed from AI being in too few hands to the fact that it's "woke" so he wants to create another AI company to create the racist/threatening non-woke AI that he thinks the world needs. Or, at least the one that he needs, to keep himself at the center of attention.

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44. Jeremy+CX[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 16:33:45
>>number+mR
The thing about language is that it isn't static, it changes over time. Sometimes a previously dominant usage will become eclipsed by a new one that emerges.

There's nuance to the etymology of any word of course. In fact I sometimes see the extremely online left try to (ironically?) appropriate "based." But I think in the context we can all figure out which connotation Elon was using.

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45. paintm+WZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 16:41:49
>>Jeremy+sL
That's just not true. I've been in many very online leftist communities and they also freely use it.

it's just general internet speak at this point

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46. number+b01[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 16:42:46
>>Jeremy+CX
Yes I get that. My argument is, when some group you don't like starts adopting a word, your reaction should not be to politicize the word and shun it and pretend they stole it. Just keep using the word as you intend it and who cares about what some other dumbfucks think.
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47. hot_gr+y51[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 17:02:22
>>permo-+Ew
It originally meant "based on your own beliefs," usually in the context of sticking to your guns despite unpopularity. Which is/was the cool thing to express on 4chan.
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48. YeGobl+z51[view] [source] 2023-03-01 17:02:25
>>neom+(OP)
>> If they're gonna be for profit, I feel this is really important.

Just out of curiosity, are you trying to say that these people are Effective Altruists, and for that "genuinely good humans", and so, if they're making money, it's for a good cause?

Apologies if my guess is off. I'm not very au fait with EA, but I'm trying to get more er, more au fait.

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49. deatha+u71[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 17:08:44
>>paintm+WZ
I view its etymology like this,

              Lil B
    (based ≈ doing your own thing (in a good way)
             not swayed by critics)
             ↙           ↘
       Gen Z             4chan
   (based ≈ cool)        ("based and redpilled"
                          ≈"unswayed by pop rhetoric"
                           and "sees the world beyond the 'illusion'", resp.)
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50. dotnet+xa1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 17:19:33
>>atchoo+4k
The difference is that Tesla isn't claiming to be open about AI.
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51. projek+Oa1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 17:20:29
>>narag+Jl
With the baseball bat it evokes Kyle Chapman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Chapman_(American_activis...

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52. morale+Wb1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 17:24:39
>>neom+ky
This is it.
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53. udev40+Fd1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 17:29:50
>>permo-+tF
He's right tho
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54. sangno+kq1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 18:12:53
>>paintm+WZ
You may be ignoring context in this specific instance: the picture in Musk's tweet has "Woke AI" and "Closed AI" being chased off by Based AI.
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55. sangno+cr1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 18:16:21
>>Idiot_+ZR
How many times was he kicked out?
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56. fundad+Dt1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 18:25:11
>>lfkdev+Z1
We'd have to believe that he means what he said about starting the company. Maybe he meant it, maybe it was just corporate philanthropy BS. Which do you think is really the case?
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57. Chicke+kH1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 19:31:15
>>dotnet+xa1
And resigning because he was working on a competitor was completely the right thing to do. It would have been a conflict of interest. How often does that type of integrity even happen nowadays?

The whole "ELON MUSK BAD NOW" change to the zeitgeist is alarming to me. He was the darling of the left for years because of Tesla and SpaceX, but now he's completely persona non grata for...reasons?

It smacks of excommunication for heresy.

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58. permo-+vI1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 19:37:39
>>udev40+Fd1
oh yeah of course, no question there
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59. logarh+qK1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 19:46:11
>>Jeremy+sL
I don't know of anyone who is trying to be political when using those terms. It's just general internet slang younger people use at this point
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60. clarge+fQ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 20:14:27
>>ad404b+r7
Based
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61. permo-+UQ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 20:17:01
>>neom+ky
this sounds much more plausible than the sibling comment's "based on your own beliefs", but plausibility is not necessarily correctness
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62. lalos+ZQ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 20:17:09
>>Idiot_+ZR
huh? it was Peter Thiel the acting CEO when the sale was done - right after removing Musk for said migration to MS stack.
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63. davesq+XT1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 20:32:47
>>lfkdev+Z1
Yes, he's technically correct. But it's pretty obvious he's really just jealous. Inferring that from his past behavior is not rocket science, as they say.
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64. Dennis+4U1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 20:33:28
>>Chicke+kH1
He got richer so he must be bad.

How you can build a successful car company in the US without getting super rich, I don't know.

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65. sidibe+QU1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 20:37:29
>>Chicke+kH1
Might it also have to do with his positions on almost everything conflicting with most people's? A lot of people didn't realize what a narcissistic manchild he was until recently.
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66. davesq+UW1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 20:45:21
>>sebzim+c9
Isn't that the point though? Tesla in not called OpenSelfDriving because it takes serious cash at this time in history to fund development of that tech. The fact that OpenAI happens to have a name that suggests otherwise doesn't change that fact. And Elon knows that. Therefore, he's just playing the media game right now and trying to detract from their success. Either that or he's just jealous (more likely IMHO) because he can't go along for the ride or claim much real involvement. I say thank God for that. We dodged a collective bullet with that stroke of luck.
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67. sebzim+B72[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 21:41:41
>>davesq+UW1
If it wasn't feasible for OpenAI to release their model weights and code then they shouldn't have named themselves OpenAI.
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68. root_a+A82[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 21:47:04
>>narag+Jl
> But "Based"? Is it the name of his new AI company? Where does that come from?

It's a reference to the BasedGPT "jailbroken" ChatGPT persona that responds to answers in a less politically correct manner.

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69. davesq+bj2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 22:51:43
>>sebzim+B72
On a philosophical level, I agree. But I also recognize that life doesn't always line up nicely with philosophy. In any case, it seems to me that most of the work that led to ChatGPT was done in the open. How ChatGPT works is not really a great mystery.
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70. honkle+8k2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 22:58:36
>>hot_gr+y51
nah. 4chan learnt it from the rap song "Based God".
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71. wahnfr+rr2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 23:41:48
>>number+mR
lil b started it, not 4chan
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72. Eisens+2A2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-02 00:49:21
>>number+b01
Because the primary purpose of language is communication and if you aren't accomplishing that then you have some other reason for using it. Slang changes all the time -- no one says 'true dat' anymore.
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73. Eisens+VA2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-02 00:56:45
>>fundad+Dt1
Do we even believe that he was the one who came up with the name?
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74. peyton+nH2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-02 01:59:42
>>hot_gr+y51
What? It’s from the 80s and means high on crack (freebase) and was re-popularized by Based God like 10–15 years ago.
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75. hot_gr+fO2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-02 03:01:32
>>honkle+8k2
It meant the same thing in "Based God." I know 4chan didn't invent the phrase.
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76. honkle+4Q2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-02 03:17:35
>>hot_gr+fO2
Based in that means "being intoxicated with cocaine".
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77. hot_gr+3R2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-02 03:24:49
>>honkle+4Q2
Lil B said it's both: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Based%20God But only because he changed the meaning. Didn't realize there was an older one too.
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78. hot_gr+RR2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-02 03:30:32
>>peyton+nH2
Yep, didn't know about the crack meaning. Based God made it what it is today.
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79. wodeno+VR2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-02 03:31:04
>>permo-+tF
I don’t know what a subjunctive is. Maybe that is what caused the confusion.
80. dragon+qT2[view] [source] 2023-03-02 03:42:23
>>neom+(OP)
> I find it a little odd that Elon seems to take a swipe at OpenAI any opportunity he gets.

I don’t; Elon takes swipes at everything he doesn't currently control, especially if he has a past connection to it.

> If he cares so much about them not making money, maybe he should have put his twitter cash there instead?

Musk has a finite quantity of tine and money to devote to destroying businesses, so some of them he'll just have to complain about without personally acquiring to run into the ground. Everyone has limits.

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81. dragon+ST2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-02 03:46:07
>>Jeremy+sL
> "Based" is a catchphrase of the extremely online right. It basically means "cool" but with a subtext of "is annoying to libs/normies who just don't get it."

It is also a catchphrase of the extremely online left with exactly the same in-group vs. out-group implication (and, amusingly—because of the different meanings of “liberal” and “lib” favored by the two sides—usually identical meaning with regard to “libs/normies”.)

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82. fundad+j36[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-03 00:00:15
>>Eisens+VA2
Probably not, I don't believe they ever meant it to be non-commercial.
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83. Idiot_+pM7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-03 15:04:34
>>lalos+ZQ1
Yeah, I think you're right and I was wrong.
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