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>>isaacf+(OP)
I find it a little odd that Elon seems to take a swipe at OpenAI any opportunity he gets. If he cares so much about them not making money, maybe he should have put his twitter cash there instead? It's reassuring to me that the two people running policy work at the big AI "startups", Jack Clark (Anthropic) and Miles Brundage (OpenAI, who was hired by Jack iirc), are genuinely good humans. I've known Jack for 10 years and he's for sure a measured and reasonable person who cares about not doing harm. Although I don't know Miles, my understanding is he has similar qualities. If they're gonna be for profit, I feel this is really important.

Edit: Well, I guess these tweets explain the beef well -

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1606642155346612229

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1626516035863212034

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1599291104687374338

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1096987465326374912

>>neom+E9
OpenAI went downhill fast after Elon left the board of directors due to a "conflict of interest" with Tesla. I don't know if he would have allowed the for-profit restructuring after giving them so much money precisely so that it didn't need profits for AI research. It probably also didn't help that he poached Karpathy from them and put him in charge of Tesla's AI efforts. So it's no surprise that there is a lot of potiential beef here.

>>sigmoi+vc
So Elon wanted to build an open source non-profit AI but had to resign from openAI, which he had cofounded with that intention, because he wanted to create a closed-source and for-profit AI for Tesla and that brought a conflict of interest. Sounds quite contradictory to me to present this as an argument to construct an image of open-source, non-profit advocate. It reads as "I support open-source etc AI as long as it is others who do it, my intentions are to use AI for profit".

>>freeho+ce
We can have some nuance here.

Tesla was set up as a for-profit company and is such beholden to shareholders, and so using closed-source AI for profit is the path Tesla is going down.

OpenAI was set up as a non-profit company and only beholden to its values, and promised to be open-source.

These two organisations incentives contradict each other, and so it makes sense for Elon Musk to separate himself from one of them. You could argue that Elon Musk should have instead separated himself from Tesla, but that is a big ask for someone to leave their main lifetime project.

I don't think you can put the blame on Elon Musk that OpenAI later became ClosedAI (while not under his watch), some other members of OpenAI have to be responsible.