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Probably we have to start again with something different in the same way as the web replaced all the other protocols (gopher, usenet etc). I’m not what that looks like but it should be cleaner, simpler, open and blockchain-free.

>>mnd999+(OP)
> I’m not what that looks like but it should be cleaner, simpler, open and blockchain-free.

You’re asking for an open network and then putting restrictions on individuals right away by saying they can’t use blockchains on it. Some people want to use blockchains (or any other technology) and an open network shouldn’t put restrictions on how people participate.

>>mnd999+(OP)
Yes, I've been wanting something that's just a rich document but designed around accessibility with no styles or JavaScript.

>>Pretze+y
But it shouldn’t itself be based on blockchains. That is, if you want to use them, that’s fine and up to you, but if you don’t want to use them, then that should also be a valid choice. The core technology shouldn’t be based on blockchain and should work just as well without.

>>bobaje+D
Yes, but we need to ensure that it stays JavaScript-free rich document format. We would need to ensure that it's impossible for bad (and rich!) actors to introduce their Turing-complete tracking machinery into this new document format when it becomes popular.

>>bobaje+D
For what it's worth, there's Gemini. You can't really call it rich document though, as styling is left to the user consuming the content.

>>jgilia+V3
Well I don't want styling just document structure/description (eg. H1-8, Title, EM, P, IMG, Author, Article, Forum-Post, Search-Result) and yes I want images too so Gemini goes way too far my uses.

>>Pretze+y
A blockchain-free protocol is not a protocol with "no you can't do anything blockchain related on this" restriction. A blockchain-free protocol is one where the protocol itself does not involve a blockchain. Like HTTP, or FTP, or Gopher, or IRC, SMTP etc.

>>bobaje+D
You want gopher. Most people don't.

If what you really want is to change what other people want you will stay disappointed.

>>bobaje+f8
Images complicate the accessible requirement.

>>bobaje+D
Html?

>>postal+ub
True, it's still worth doing though. That's one of the reasons for alt, longdesc, and aria-describedby attributes.

>>bobaje+Vn
What image formats will be support? Plain old 256 color uncompressed bitmaps?

Why leave an existing protocol and easy accessibility just for a few images.

>>postal+nb
I don't think that's really true. People want content and they will put up with some sites to get it but if things like Readability and Ublock Origin has shown us anything there's a need for something with more user control over it.

>>postal+xq
I'm not sure I know how to explain it. Images just seem a basic part of content. I just don't think it's acceptable to have to open up an external application to view images in a document.

Any way I'm not against image galleries and video sites either. I just want control over how I consume those. If I want the page read to me it should be possible. If I want to consume it on a tiny 2x2" e-ink display that should be doable.

>>bobaje+f8
Yes, I'd really like an HTML subset without CSS or Javascript.