https://x.com/runasand/status/2017659019251343763?s=20
The FBI was able to access Washington Post reporter Hannah Natanson's Signal messages because she used Signal on her work laptop. The laptop accepted Touch ID for authentication, meaning the agents were allowed to require her to unlock it.
Another reason to use my dog's nose instead of a fingerprint.
Out of habit, I keep my phone off during the flight and turn it on after clearing customs.
This command will make your MacBook hibernate when lid is closed or the laptop sleeps, so RAM is written to disk and the system powers down. The downside is that it does increase the amount of time it takes to resume.
A nice side benefit though, is that fingerprint is not accepted on first unlock, I believe secrets are still encrypted at this stage similar to cold boot. A fingerprint still unlocks from screensaver normally, as long as the system does not sleep (and therefore hibernate)
Also, IANAL, but I'm pretty sure that if law enforcement has a warrant to seize property from you, they're not obligated to do so immediately the instant they see you - they could have someone follow you and watch to see how you unlock your phone before seizing it.
The real news here isn't privacy control in a consumer OS ir the right to privacy, but USA, the leader of the free world, becoming an autocracy.
I do not follow the logic here, what does that even mean? It seems very dubious. And what happens if one legitimately forgets? They just get to keep you there forever?
Not really, because tools like Cellbrite are more limited with BFU, hence the manual informing LEO to keep (locked) devices charged, amd the countermeasures being iOS forcefully rebooting devices that have been locked for too long.
Yes, a judge is unlikely to order your execution if you refuse. Based on recent pattern of their behavior, masked secret police who are living their wildest authoritarian dreams are likely to execute you if you anger them (for example by refusing to comply with their desires).
Except when they can: https://harvardlawreview.org/print/vol-134/state-v-andrews/
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It's interesting in the case of social media companies. Technically the data held is the companies data (Google, Meta, etc.) however courts have ruled that a person still has an expectation of privacy and therefore police need a warrant.
If you mean forcing an iOS device out of BFU, that's impossible. The device's storage is encrypted using a key derived from the user's passcode. That key is only available once the user has unlocked the device once, using their passcode.
There's no known technique to force you to input a password.
At least a password and pin you choose to give over.
Does this mean that the Signal desktop application doesn't lock/unlock its (presumably encrypted) database with a secret when locking/unlocking the laptop?
I fully agree, forced biometrics is bullshit.
I say the same about forced blood removal for BAC testing. They can get a warrant for your blood, that's crazy to me.
uhm, are saying that i'm saying that? if so, please show me where i said that. thank you
Signal itself wouldn’t even be detectable as an app
For example duck://player/fqtK3s7PE_k where the video id in youtube url https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqtK3s7PE_k
But it doesn't have that overview page like inv.nadeko.net does
This is an area that seems to confuse a lot of people because of what the 5th amendment says and doesn't say.
The reason they can't force you to unlock your phone is not because your phone contains evidence of stuff. They have a warrant to get that evidence. You do not have a right to prevent them from getting it just because it's yours. Most evidence is self-incriminating in this way - if you have a murder weapon in your pocket with blood on it, and the police lawfully stop you and take it, you really are incriminating yourself in one sense by giving it to them, but not in the 5th amendment sense.
The right against self-incrimination is mostly about being forced to give testimonial evidence against yourself. That is, it's mostly about you being forced to testify against yourself under oath, or otherwise give evidence that is testimonial in nature against yourself. In the case of passwords, courts often view it now as you being forced to disclose the contents of your mind (IE live testify against yourself) and equally important, even if not live testimony against yourself, it testimonially proves that you have access to the phone (more on this in a second). Biometrics are a weird state, with some courts finding it like passwords/pins, and some finding it just a physical fact with no testimonial component at all other than proving your ability to access.
The foregone conclusion part comes into play because, excluding being forced to disclose the contents of your mind for a second, the testimonial evidence you are being forced to give when you unlock a phone is that you have access to the phone. If they can already prove it's your phone or that you have access to it, then unlocking it does not matter from a testimonial standpoint, and courts will often require you to do so in the jurisdictions that don't consider any other part of unlocking to be testimonial. (Similarly, if they can't prove you have access to the phone, and whether you have access to the phone or not matters to the case in a material way, they generally will not be able to force you to unlock it or try to unlock it because it woudl be a 5th amendment violation).
Hope this helps.
The 4th amendment would protect you from them seizing your phone in the first place for no good reason, but would not protect you from them seizing your phone if they believe it has evidence of a crime.
Regardless, it is not the thing that protects you (or doesn't, depending) from having to give or otherwise type in your passcode/pin/fingerprint/etc.
Quick-press Volume Up, then Quick-press Volume Down. Hold the side power button until the screen turns black (approx. 10 seconds). Immediately hold both the side button and the Volume Down button for 5 seconds. Release the side button but continue holding the Volume Down button for another 10 seconds. The screen will remain black. If the Apple logo appears, the side button was held too long, and the process must be repeated.
This seems like a key point though. What's the legal distinction between compelling someone to unlock a phone using information in their mind, and compelling them to speak what's in their mind?
If I had incriminating info on my phone at one point, and I memorized it and then deleted it from the phone, now that information is legally protected from being accessed. So it just matters whether the information itself is in your mind, vs. the ability to access it?
No, orders of magnitude are exponential, not linear, so conventionally “on the order of 1 billion” would be between 100 million × sqrt(10) and 1 billion × sqrt(10), but “billionaire” isn't “net worth on the order of 1 billion” but “net worth of 1 billion or more”, or, when used heirarchically alongside trillionaire ans millionaire “net worth of at least one billion and less than one trillion”.
and biometrics have "legal problems" as stated above
a pin or allowing touchid to automatically be disabled after a period of time or computer movement ("please enter password to login") would be greatly appreciated
as it stands now, i have biometrics disabled.
You can actually eliminate phones entirely from your second example.
If you had incriminating info on paper at one point, and memorized it and deleted it, it would now be legally protected from being accessed.
One reason society is okay with this is because most people can't memorize vast troves of information.
Otherwise, the view here would probably change.
These rules exist to serve various goals as best they can. If they no longer serve those goals well, because of technology or whatever else, the rules will change. Being completely logical and self-consistent is not one of these goals, nor would it make sense as a primary goal for rules meant to try to balance societal vs personal rights.
This is, for various reasons, often frustrating to the average HN'er :)
Imagine it's 1926 and none of this tech is an issue yet. The police can fingerprint and photograph you at intake, they can't compel speech or violate the 5th.
That's exactly what's being applied here. It's not that the police can do more or less than they could in 1926, it's that your biometrics can do more than they did in 1926. They're just fingerprinting you / photographing you .. using your phone.
With that in mind...
> Being completely logical and self-consistent is not one of these goals, nor would it make sense as a primary goal for rules meant to try to balance societal vs personal rights.
Do we really know that it wouldn't make sense, or is that just an assumption because the existing system doesn't do it? (Alternatively, perhaps a consistent logical theory simply hasn't been identified and articulated.)
This reminds me of how "sovereign citizens" argue their position. Their logic isn't consistent, it’s built around rhetorical escape hatches. They'll claim that their vehicle is registered with the federal DOT, which is a commercial registration, but then they'll also claim to be a non-commercial "traveler". They're optimizing for coverage of objections, not global consistency.
What you seem to be telling me is that the prevailing legal system is the same, just perhaps with more of the obvious rough edges smoothed out over the centuries.
brb, going to try encoding the USC in Rocq.