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1. alexfo+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-02-02 21:51:04
Decisions about fuel purchases are often irrational, much like many food purchases or generic medicines.

I know someone who avoids their local petrol station that is 10p/litre cheaper than most others nearby (within a mile or so) as they think the cheaper fuel must be lower quality. There are weird status things going on with purchases like this.

Only the other day my father refused to buy some branded paracetamol because it was ~5 times more expensive than the local pharmacy brand that was out of stock. (£2.25 vs £0.49 for 16 500mg tablets.) I'd usually agree with him but he was out of paracetamol and has been advised by his doctor to take 2x500mg a day and there was no viable nearby alternative.

A digression but for that generation (those born in 1940s/50s) that grew up with rationing I think it is hardwired into their brain to try and minimise the cost of so many things, but with lots of random exceptions. Later on that day he ordered an extra drink but decided he was too full once it had arrived so he left it. So he was worried about spending an extra £1.76 on paracetamol but not about spending £7 on a pint he didn't drink.

Many people decide what petrol station to use based on simply how close it is, what kind of shop is attached to it (and the bits of British snobbery around that), whether it also sells whatever else they want (bread, milk, beer, etc), or even whether it is easy to drive in and out of.

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2. auciss+ti[view] [source] 2026-02-02 22:55:59
>>alexfo+(OP)
In France we had such api available for decades, many apps are using it and there are a lot of people using them.

I don't know if your experience is from British people but it looks like they just didn't have the mean to effectively compare fuel prices.

Once they do, there is a significant part of the British drivers that will most likely be using it.

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3. jbjbjb+tn[view] [source] 2026-02-02 23:15:46
>>alexfo+(OP)
I think you’re overstating the effect. The most volume is sold at supermarkets which have the best location for throughout but they also have the cheapest prices.
4. sandwo+6H[view] [source] 2026-02-03 01:04:00
>>alexfo+(OP)
Having seen what happens with bad gas from shoddy stations, i too will bypass many in favor of the big names. I know someone who got water instead of gas when a tiny mom-and-pop gas station let thier tank run so low it started pumping decades of groundwater from the bottom of a rarely-serviced tank.

Just google "gas station pumped water" to see all the local news articles about this sort of thing.

https://www.koco.com/article/drivers-oklahoma-furious-after-...

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/gas-station-pumps-ga-water/

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/lake-county/mentor-w...

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/nevada-gas-station-pumps-golden...

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5. esquiv+GS[view] [source] 2026-02-03 02:19:36
>>alexfo+(OP)
Since paracetamol interacts with alcohol,there may be more rationality than first thought!
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6. bcrave+6U[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 02:29:56
>>sandwo+6H
None of these are local news articles, in fact they are all from a different continent.

A local article that I did find was from a BP petrol station in Liverpool, so I'm not sure this can be isolated to 'mom-and-pop' outfits (something we don't really have over here anyway).

https://www.petrolprices.com/news/garage-sells-petrol-dilute...

7. 2Gkash+nU[view] [source] 2026-02-03 02:31:26
>>alexfo+(OP)
In India, we have generic medicine paracetamol for 20 bucks while branded one is like 5-10 times that.

Sadly many people feel that because they are sick, they need to spend as much money as possible because that would give them best shot at getting healthly.

I once asked a guy "why don't you buy that cheap medicine. Its the same and will save you money" but they were like "naa. Its cheap. What would be inside it. I need to pay top money for best medicine"

8. thegri+d91[view] [source] 2026-02-03 04:38:28
>>alexfo+(OP)
>> I know someone who avoids their local petrol station that is 10p/litre cheaper than most others nearby (within a mile or so) as they think the cheaper fuel must be lower quality

- "Top Tier gas contains higher detergent levels to prevent engine carbon"

- "Major brands use specific additives that enhance performance, while "no-name" or discount stations might only meet the minimum EPA-required detergent levels"

- "The condition of a station's underground storage tanks affects quality"

- "For the best engine performance and longevity, choosing Top Tier-certified gasoline is generally recommended."

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9. Nursie+Jf1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 05:44:48
>>auciss+ti
This is exactly it.

We have a system here in Western Australia and people use it a lot: fuelwatch.wa.gov.au

I think it's exactly that, the UK has never had this so people there either choose by brand or just convenience. But since moving to WA I've found that it's really easy to have a quick look when I notice I need to fill up, then I can head to the cheapest station nearby, and the difference can be in the range of 10-15%, occasionally 20%.

In a country where fuel is as expensive as it is in the UK, people are going to use that.

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10. Glawen+jv1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 08:01:16
>>auciss+ti
Yes but the real feature that makes it viable, is that petrol station in France can change price only once a day. I forgot how it works in the UK, but in Germany they change wildly depending on the hour in the day. For example they show low price in the morning, so that workers who are late for work notice it and fill on the way back, only to find a price 10-20cents higher at 17h.
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11. tolien+4G1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 09:22:27
>>Nursie+Jf1
> I think it's exactly that, the UK has never had this so people there either choose by brand or just convenience.

We've had it for years (as noted in other comments there's a few different people like the RAC, AA and Petrolprices.com all maintaining their own lists - a quick check of my email has messages from the latter going back to 2011). The new part is that this is from the government and the data is freely accessible (Petrolprices in particular covered their pages in ads, so I'd be surprised if there wasn't a way to exchange money for the data).

The context to this is that, especially since the pandemic, there's been a complaint with the Competition and Markets Authority that the petrol stations were quick to raise prices, slow to lower them, and weren't competing with each other[1]:

> The CMA found that retail prices tended to "rise like a rocket, but fall like a feather" in response to increases or decreases in the cost of crude oil.

Independent petrol stations have virtually disappeared and you don't have to look too hard to see that in an area they tend to all raise or lower their prices in virtual lockstep. Gathering this data would make the case significantly easier if the next step were that some of the petrol station operators had to be broken up to encourage more competition.

1: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp80dpzdg37o#comments

Edit: Petrolprices was founded in 2005 (!) [2]

2: https://www.myautomateapp.co.uk/

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12. ace322+YP1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 10:40:11
>>thegri+d91
These things are not true in the UK - all fuel is held to the same high standard, though premium variants are available too.
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13. ace322+pQ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 10:43:46
>>Nursie+Jf1
>the UK has never had this so people there either choose by brand or just convenience

Disagree - drivers maintain a mental map of local stations and know roughly how expensive they are, and make a decision based on that. Obviously this API will help inform us better!

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14. Nursie+6a2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 13:03:50
>>tolien+4G1
But how accurate was the data on those older apps?

Petrolprices.com (for example) seems to have been built on user-reported data rather than petrol-station reported data, and it's easy to find fairly recent criticisms of the whole thing being inaccurate. And an inaccurate comparison site is fairly useless IMHO.

I lived in the UK until 2021 and I must admit I'd never heard of them. Whereas here in WA everyone uses fuelprices. There are probably other factors involved here as well, as we have a weird weekly or biweekly price cycle (though I think this has ended somewhat in the last two years) where every second Tuesday fuel was dirt cheap as they were trying to clear down the tanks ahead of the next delivery.

Is the 'new part' not that the vendors are being forced to actually publish comparison data rather than rely on third parties to gather it?

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15. Nursie+qa2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 13:06:11
>>ace322+pQ1
I never did in 25 years of driving in the UK. "Need petrol buy petrol, try to avoid doing that on the motorway".

Maybe it's me that's weird. No, surely that can't be right... :)

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16. gib444+Qa2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 13:09:17
>>ace322+YP1
So no petrol is permitted to be higher quality (for the same octane rating)?

ie you're asserting there is zero variance in quality?

OP wrote lower quality, not low quality

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17. sReinw+li2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 13:54:01
>>Glawen+jv1
I don't see how that makes it uniquely viable in France. Germany has something very much like this too. And we've had it for nearly 13 years.

> Since 31 August 2013 companies which operate public petrol stations or have the power to set their prices are required to report price changes for the most commonly used types of fuel, i.e. Super E5, Super E10 and Diesel “in real time” to the Market Transparency Unit for Fuels. This then passes on the incoming price data to consumer information service providers, which in turn pass it on to the consumer.

As a consumer, there is no direct API by the MTS-K that you can use, but there are some services like Tankerkoenig which pass this data on to you. I have used their API in Home Assistant before I switched to an EV.

https://www.bundeskartellamt.de/EN/Tasks/markettransparencyu...

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18. tolien+WJ2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 16:01:27
>>Nursie+6a2
Other than a time lag (and petrol prices don't generally change often enough to matter IME), I can't say I ever noticed any of them being that inaccurate.

myAutomate (the owners of Petrolprices.com) talk about having "over 60 years combined expertise in the fuel industry", so I suppose I'd be surprised if it's all crowdsourced data - they've probably made arrangements with at least the big players, in which case the forced publication is much of a muchness?

19. thegle+sU2[view] [source] 2026-02-03 16:42:34
>>alexfo+(OP)
On the topic of fuel, it's funny when people only put in £10 worth of fuel a time.

You spend more in by fuel driving there more often. As well as wasting your own time.

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20. compre+fm3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 18:31:30
>>thegle+sU2
Operating on such a tight budget is more common than you might think and they could have been hit with a surprise bill that's pushed them into debt.
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21. alexfo+7q3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 18:45:22
>>gib444+Qa2
By "lower quality" I did mean "low quality".

It's the reverse of "this one is more expensive therefore it must be better" without any evidence at all that it is the case.

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22. alexfo+Vq3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 18:48:00
>>esquiv+GS
Not really, he was advised to take it daily by his doctor and his doctor knows his drinking habits.

UK advice is to avoid drinking more than 14 units (think a shot, a small beer or a small glass of wine = 1 unit) whilst taking paracetamol.

https://www.nhs.uk/medicines/paracetamol-for-adults/common-q...

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23. alexfo+2s3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 18:51:58
>>thegle+sU2
I put in £3 worth of fuel the other day but that's because it was a rental car that I had to return with the same fuel level as at pickup and I'd only done ~30 miles with lots of stop/start. (I would have used a Zipcar/Zipvan but they've all gone now.) I would have tried to put in less but UK fuel pumps usually mandate a minimum of 2 litres which is not far off £3 at current prices.
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24. alexfo+Ks3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 18:54:37
>>Nursie+qa2
> I never did in 25 years of driving in the UK. "Need petrol buy petrol, try to avoid doing that on the motorway".

Same here.

Sometimes even on the A413...

25. lofasz+vM3[view] [source] 2026-02-03 20:20:27
>>alexfo+(OP)
How do you know the fuel is the same quality. Did you actually make a hydrocarbon profile?
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26. Nextgr+WY3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 21:22:31
>>alexfo+2s3
> usually mandate a minimum of 2 litres

Out of curiosity how does that work (never been in a situation where I have to worry about minimal fuel purchases) - does the pump simply round up the price to the minimum when done, or did you actually have to dispense extra fuel, either into a jerrycan or donating it to someone else's car otherwise the pump would not actually finalize the transaction?

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27. alexfo+r24[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 21:40:30
>>lofasz+vM3
You don't. And, for similar reasoning you don't know the more expensive fuel is "better" quality.

More importantly you know that pretty much any fuel being sold in a mainstream place in the UK is going to meet the minimum national standards which are perfectly fine for the vast majority of cars on the road.

Anyone that has a car that requires E5 rather than E10, or higher octane fuel may need to buy the associated "premium" fuels, but these are just not necessary for the vast majority of cars on the road. But we're not talking about the premium fuels here, we're talking about two garages selling pretty much the same thing for quite different prices and preying on some people's FUD.

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28. alexfo+884[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-03 22:10:31
>>Nextgr+WY3
It's mandated by a sticker saying so. I don't think it's ever enforced.

A google seems to show that it is because the pumps are not certified to be accurate below 2 litres (or 5 litres for higher flow rate pumps like the HGV diesel pumps) so anything below this is at your own risk.

Another way of thinking about it is you have no right to complain if you think you've been short fueled if you don't dispense the minimum stated.

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29. thegle+ov5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 08:59:22
>>compre+fm3
Of course. I'm not talking about lack of money though here. We've all been on our last tenner until payday and need to go somewhere.

Some people seem to think that spending less at the pump means your saving money, but to save money you need to drive less. They religiously drive on £10-20 fuel stops.

My ex wife was convinced she spends less on fuel by putting less in a time, she even earnt more than me.

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30. thegle+Nv5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 09:01:50
>>alexfo+884
Exactly this, it's a legal requirement to show that under the weights and measures act I think.

Under that amount, you are likely paying much more per litre.

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31. gib444+jl7[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 19:23:31
>>alexfo+7q3
Yeah fair enough that's probably true

Companies are permitted to add additives etc but whether that meaningfully improves quality I'm not sure

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