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1. throwa+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-01-13 16:10:23
The UK is FPTP. Reform split the previously unified conservative vote so labour won with a historically low %.
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2. ericho+Pb[view] [source] 2026-01-13 16:54:01
>>throwa+(OP)
Total Reform + Conservative vote was at historical lows as a percentage of the electorate.
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3. Ransom+4r[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 17:41:31
>>ericho+Pb
That might be true, but the votes (not seats, first past the post, almost guarantees people aren't represented): Labour: 9.7M Conservatives 6.8M Reform: 4.1M Liberal Democrats 3.5M

The point clearly stands that had Reform not been a thing, 2024 would have been a conservative landslide.

What we got was a Labour landslide, what we should have got was some coalition.

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4. pmyteh+qx[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 18:02:41
>>Ransom+4r
Yes, though I'd be careful about assuming that votes are Conservatives <-> Reform on a left-right median voter model. The other aspect that Reform has (and will have at least until it forms a government) is anti-system/populist credentials. Labour had a little of that last time (they are a deeply establishment party, especially under current leadership, but they were coming off a period as very public opposition to the government and the current state of things) but will have very little next time.

It's certainly not a given that all the 2024 Reform vote would have gone to the Conservatives: a good chunk of it would have likely been disgusted abstention, another chunk to other anti-system parties (mostly of the right fringe, I suspect, but not excluding the Greens despite wild ideological differences), and likely a further (if smaller) chunk to other parties which were simply not the Conservatives (including Labour and the Lib Dems).

Edit: the best analysis on this is likely to be in the latest volume of the long-standing The British General Election of XXXX series, which has just been published online[0]. I haven't had time to look at it yet, though.

[0]: https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-031-95952-3

5. 9Jolly+jC[view] [source] 2026-01-13 18:20:44
>>throwa+(OP)
Turnout was historically low. Labour didn't really "win", the Conservatives lost. A lot of Conservatives voters didn't really recognise the party.

Also not every Reform voter would vote Conservative if Reform didn't exist.

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6. 9Jolly+dF[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 18:30:56
>>Ransom+4r
As the sibling comment said. You are making the assumption that every Reform voter would have held their nose and voted Conservative instead. A lot more people would have stayed home I think. I don't think anyone thought the Conservatives could win and that includes the Conservatives themselves.
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