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Very reasonable but it could not be more unpopular right now to tell people to stop eating meat

>>Playbo+(OP)
It’s maybe unpopular, but people should feel bad about it, especially they should feel shame. I don’t feel it either, who knows this for decades, and even tried a few times. But I should. There is exactly zero pressure regarding this.

>>ruszki+Sj
I don't think people should feel bad about it, but at least informed.

A better thing would he to have a carbon tax, so you have higher vat on beef than poultry and higher for poultry than eggs.

>>epolan+JO
Why don't you think people should feel bad about it? My moral system generally dictates that I don't economically support immoral behavior, or at least seek alternatives where practical.

Don't expect a carbon tax to save us, a carbon tax is not coming.

>>Playbo+(OP)
Yeah, the meat industry has successfully tied meat consumption to the American ideal of masculinity and there is an endless supply of insecure men that buy into the world of bro-science.

>>Playbo+(OP)
> it could not be more unpopular right now to tell people to stop eating meat

If we phrased it from a carbon perspective that would probably help it be more popular, at least for beef which is a huge methane emitter.

https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local

https://ourworldindata.org/less-meat-or-sustainable-meat

>>Dangit+c61
Because it is not even a remote exaggeration to say that in order to truly make the morally "correct" choices everyday, you would need to not participate in any part of society.

Telling people to feel bad about eating animal protein but to keep driving their cars that destroy the environment, shopping at stores that underpay their employees, purchasing items that are made with diminishing resources in countries that pay close to nothing to their labor force is picking an arbitrary battle in a war of existence.

Promoting making better choices will always be more effective than asking people to feel guilty over existing at all.

Source your food locally if you can, cook and eat only what you need, etc.

>>Dangit+c61
Because people would just feel bad about it and keep doing it. I don't care about people feeling bad about immoral behavior, I care about them not doing it in the first place.

>>ruszki+Sj
Based on how people react to me simply being a vegetarian in their presence, without me commenting on what either of us are eating, people do feel shame. It's just that the shame is outweighed by the pleasure of eating whatever.

>>crat3r+Vo1
It's a natural response to feel bad about your behavior not aligning with your values.

So much so that we prefer to not think about it to prop up cognitive dissonance.

I think "wanting people to feel bad" is more an urge that people at least acknowledge the dissonance. Many people don't even get that far because it's so uncomfortable.

>>gs17+YI1
Is it really shame or are you imagining it? Maybe it’s discomfort at eating something delicious while not being able to share it. Like eating candy or cake in front of kid and not giving him any.

>>kelips+cl3
It's shame/guilt/insecurity, whatever you want to call it. You'll get unprompted "Oh, you know, I wanted to be a vegetarian but I love eating bacon too much", or people who try to stump you with "gotchas" like "but where do you get your protein?" (remarkably, this can come from people who were born in a culture where vegetarian proteins are common!) or "I saw a thing online that says plants have feelings too so really you're just as bad as me".