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> abolition of slavery, the global transition to democracy, and decolonization

It's notable that all of those are pre-democratic.

>>ethbr1+(OP)
Could you please clarify your statement?

>>fraggl+v1
>> Attacks on free speech - like social media censorship or bans - makes democracy not possible.

GP stated this.

Parent replied with a list of scenarios where violence created progress, albeit none of which featured universal democracy before the violence.

IOW, they are loudly agreeing with each other.

>>ethbr1+O1
At least in the case of the USA, then, there's still no universal democracy. Corporations have far more powerful and influence, in basically every election you can only vote for a neoliberal, and plenty of people get disenfranchised.

>>komali+N3
It seems like bike-shedding to equate complete lack of franchise with vote dilution.

They are very different levels of democratic access.

>>ethbr1+(OP)
Many slaving countries were democratic as it was understood at the time. All modern democracies disenfranchise some people e.g. the young, people with criminal convictions in some countries.