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1. myster+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-08-25 21:26:18
The problem with custom ROMs is that many government, banking, and similar apps don't run on them without workarounds. Some of those apps also consider this as a TOS violation as well.
replies(6): >>thrtyt+51 >>Zak+c1 >>afandi+K6 >>codeth+Oj >>steve_+Sk >>MrDres+h11
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2. thrtyt+51[view] [source] 2025-08-25 21:32:30
>>myster+(OP)
Then I won't run those apps. Seriously. I know not everyone has this option, but it's been my experience that a lot of processes do in fact have workarounds when you show them the cryptic error their poorly behaved app throws.
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3. Zak+c1[view] [source] 2025-08-25 21:32:55
>>myster+(OP)
When Microsoft first proposed a remote attestation scheme for PCs under the name Palladium, it was widely seen as a nightmare scenario. Even the mainstream press was critical[0]. There was barely a whimper when Google introduced Safetynet a decade later.

It wasn't OK in 2003. It wasn't OK in 2014. It isn't OK now. I'm just not sure what anybody can do about it.

[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/30/business/technology-a-saf...

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4. afandi+K6[view] [source] 2025-08-25 22:03:25
>>myster+(OP)
I don’t use any utility apps (identity, banking, services etc) on my phone and stick to the desktop web. And don’t use services that do require me to have a Google or apple account and phone. (Spoiler: I do)

I hope my tiny datapoint shows up in some aggregated stats somewhere.

It’s use-it-or-lose-it.

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5. codeth+Oj[view] [source] 2025-08-25 23:26:32
>>myster+(OP)
I have been a GrapheneOS user since the Pixel 3 and have yet to encounter an app that doesn't work on GOS.
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6. steve_+Sk[view] [source] 2025-08-25 23:36:02
>>myster+(OP)
There are many third-party money apps that login to your online banking that are a violation of ToS. That doesn't stop people using them. In fact, when they get really big, they can be legitimised by banks. For example, to get my mortgage, I had to use a third party service that logs in to my online banking account and ingests all my transactions to show that I saved for my deposit legitimately.
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7. MrDres+h11[view] [source] 2025-08-26 06:56:07
>>myster+(OP)
GrapheneOS has offical support for hardware attestation[0].

It does require the developer to make minor adjustments, and most banks are simply too risk averse to agree to doing that (I would know, used to be a senior android app dev at a bank).

[0]: https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115062761036828110

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