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1. ChrisM+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-05-27 09:14:24
I worked for GE, back in the 1980s. It was the “Neutron Jack” era.

The subunit I worked for, was almost supernaturally dysfunctional.

I was there for 18 months, and they had 3 reorgs, in that time.

Once, the VP of our division, called an “all-hands” meeting, to tell us that he was a lawyer that didn’t have a computer, didn’t like software (we were a software company), basically, didn’t like us, and that we’d better get on the stick, and make number go up.

Ah…fun times…

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2. passwo+v6[view] [source] 2025-05-27 10:43:23
>>ChrisM+(OP)
Sounds similar to the stories I hear coming out of Boeing
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3. Firmwa+1n[view] [source] 2025-05-27 13:13:57
>>ChrisM+(OP)
> didn’t like us, and that we’d better get on the stick, and make number go up

Unfathomably based. I'd much prefer these honest types who are upfront about it, that I don't like you, we don't like you either, it's all transactional here, work in exchange for money till we find a better job, than the sociopath corporate assassins who try to gaslight workers telling everyone how we're all family and we're all in this tough period together, meanwhile doing layoffs, cutting things like break room coffee while buying another Porsche and building an executive gym.

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4. Michae+es[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-27 13:47:47
>>Firmwa+1n
That sounds more like a parody, how does the company not implode with that kind of incompetence?
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5. Firmwa+Pu[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-27 14:04:03
>>Michae+es
All companies and organizations are incompetent, just in different ways, whether you see it or not, because they're run by humans and humans are flawed.

Many companies don't implode, because if all workers constantly ran away from all incompetent companies, everyone would have to choose to be unemployed, because there are no perfect companies where everyone is perfect and everything runs like clockwork. But some do implode when it reaches critical mass.

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6. consum+lw[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-27 14:15:16
>>passwo+v6
As you may already know, the McDonnell Douglas management team that took over Boeing has a direct line back to GE's Jack Welch.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/boeing-corporate-...

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7. ChrisM+bx[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-27 14:20:56
>>Michae+es
It eventually did, but it took a few years, after I left. GE had a lot of money to burn, back then. I remember going to a corporate party, at this mega-fancy catering campus, in Chantilly, VA. Green serpentine walls, grecian columns, reflecting pools, etc. Pretty crazy.

I think that Welch spawned a whole bunch of "Mini-Jacks," that worked to be what they thought he wanted.

The division was doing badly, and this guy was sent in to "clean it up."

I suspect that he ended up "cleaning it out," which was probably a win, in his book.

I worked with some top-shelf engineers, back then. GE could hire the best. If they had been managed well, they could have been awesome.

The management, however, was terrible, especially at the higher levels. Lots of nice suits and cufflinks, but very little smarts.

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8. toss1+jF[view] [source] 2025-05-27 15:16:57
>>ChrisM+(OP)
Interesting to hear another story how software was devalued at GE.

During that time my software company was brought in to bid on a project for GE. Cool project, making a repository for technical drawings going back a century; turns out they still maintain power plants that old! Anyway, it seemed to be going great until GE presented a term sheet, which included a maximum pay for SWEs under $30/hr, requirement to submit all data on hours worked and pay issued, maximum profit margin of 6%, etc. It was instantly obvious they considered software the same as sweatshop labor and wanted nothing to do with engineering real solutions. A big "Nevermind" and walked away.

Still shaking my head on how disconnected from reality the GE mgt was. Decided to never invest in the stock, but watched it continue to climb for years before it finally collapsed for good. Always surprising how long large orgs can survive on sheer inertia.

[Edit: typos]

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9. hnthro+5O[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-27 16:13:15
>>Firmwa+1n
If someone announces that they don't like you before they've even met you, they're not an honest person
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10. Firmwa+XO[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-27 16:20:12
>>hnthro+5O
On the contrary, if someone says they like you but they haven't even met you, they're dishonest.

Employment is not a romantic relationship where mutual feelings are required, it's a transactional one. You don't need to like your CEO and the CEO doesn't need to like you.

You need to provide value for the company and the company has to pay you money in exchange, that's how it works. Two parties can monetarily prosper together while simultaneously disliking each other. Nations do it all the time, see China and the US, and business partners do it all the time, see the MythBusters and many more. The most successful business people are also the ones who are best at putting feelings and emotions aside of financial interest.

Gaslighting workers that a private company will have feelings or emotional attachment towards them will only result in disappointment for you, but it's a lesson many learn the hard way. They won't be by your deathbed, only your family will.

Do you want the harsh truth or the sweet lie? Because that GE exec at least told it to you straight like to an adult, hence my chapeau, even if it shatters your rosy belief. The world could use more like them, instead of the sociopaths who manipulate you to stick around while they're already planning for the group's crash in a year which is coincidently when their golden parachute stocks vest.

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11. Animal+vV[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-27 17:08:15
>>toss1+jF
Um, GE is currently at $241.09. In your reckoning, when did it "collapse for good"?
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12. colive+SV[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-27 17:11:28
>>hnthro+5O
If the person is biased, acting on bad faith, he may be right...
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13. colive+XV[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-27 17:12:00
>>Michae+es
They sure did. It took a few years, though.
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14. psunav+8W[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-27 17:13:09
>>Animal+vV
That "GE" is the former GE Aviation, and a small remnant of the multinational conglomerate it once was. It was split in three at the end of its long collapse.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/ge-completes-three-way-sp...

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15. afavou+UX[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-27 17:26:56
>>Michae+es
If you continue to make enough money in spite of your incompetence then you'll survive for a time. But once that revenue starts to dip...

Makes me wonder how we'll look back at companies like Google in the future.

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16. mulmen+lZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-27 17:35:36
>>Firmwa+XO
Honesty doesn’t mean much when leadership doesn’t understand or respect the business.

I can say “I don’t know how to do brain surgery and furthermore I have no interest to learn.” You may correctly determine I am being honest but this in no way qualifies me to do brain surgery.

Knowledge and experience matters. Welchian leadership aggressively and deliberately dismisses all knowledge as a cost to be minimized. The idea is you can make up for any organizational shortcoming if you just abuse people enough. It’s a very leaded pipe era way of thinking.

The disastrous results of this philosophy speak for themselves.

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17. toss1+231[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-27 18:03:35
>>Animal+vV
Stock price is not market capitalization.

30-Aug-2000 GE was $580.94 billion

It's never gotten above around half that valuation since.

Most key divisions were sold off. You can get "GE" label appliances, but it is a Chinese company. Plastics, which invented Lexan, was sold to Sabic. On and on. It is simply not the company it was and will take decades, if ever for it to become that again.

30-July-2020 = $53.13 billion

Since then, the remaining aerospace division has recovered to $257B, but it is a different business.

edit add ref link: https://companiesmarketcap.com/general-electric/marketcap/

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18. _DeadF+rK1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-28 01:01:08
>>consum+lw
Are you talking about the management team that moved to DC, because why does management need to bother itself with the widgets or be tied to, you know, their product, they need be focused on the grift?
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19. kamaal+QT1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-28 03:37:07
>>_DeadF+rK1
People who don't come from a hardcore engineering background, often fail to understand what goes behind making good engineering deliverables.

This problem has complicated since MBA types people have taken over. Everything is a cost center, and goes into some model in a spreadsheet. The 'What If' feature gives you all kinds of fairly tale cost savings and optimisation options, as you turn the dials and knobs.

There is also a failure to understand that some amount of extra investments in people, quality and training is needed to keep the profits going. It might appear like they are not contributing to profits directly, but as it often happens eliminating them causes loss.

You are basically trying to modify a highly complicated and delicate process, optimised over years of lessons, changes and far sightedness. Trying to optimising entirely from a cost perspective leads to all kinds of counter intuitive results.

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20. kamaal+JU1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-28 03:50:29
>>ChrisM+bx
>>I think that Welch spawned a whole bunch of "Mini-Jacks," that worked to be what they thought he wanted.

>>The management, however, was terrible, especially at the higher levels. Lots of nice suits and cufflinks, but very little smarts.

People being people, eventually corruption takes over all processes. This whole idea that one had to stack rank the bottom 20%, promote the top 20% and let the former eventually fire the middle performers depended on honesty from people running the processes.

>>The management, however, was terrible, especially at the higher levels. Lots of nice suits and cufflinks, but very little smarts.

All the best depending on mediocre people to promote smart people above them, heck even the smart people wouldn't promote people smarter people above them. What this means is the process in most companies that practiced this was fixed. Most managers promoted their lackeys, fired who ever was good(perceived as a threat to their own position), remainder was tolerated as long as they stayed inert. This now achieved the very opposite what the process was to achieve.

This should kill the company, and it often does, but most large companies have products and customers that take a while(years, to even decades) to go away. To that end, this could go on for ages until things reached their natural end.

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