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1. losved+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-05-20 02:46:21
Growing up as a devout religious kid in the 80s, it was always understood in my household that rock stars were lascivious, immoral sex crazies and that Hollywood was a den of heathen propaganda. Nevertheless, we still listened to (some) music and watched (some) movies.

I'm mostly out of that environment now, but occasionally put myself in those shoes again and think how odd it would seem to me that people look up to and expect moral righteousness from these people.

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2. wredco+11[view] [source] 2025-05-20 02:58:15
>>losved+(OP)
I think most people recognize more states that 'moral righteousness' and 'immoral heathen'. I don't expect, e.g. christian bale to spend his life volunteering in a food pantry and washing prisoner's feet.

I do expect him not to rape, murder, commit fraud, and so on.

One of the things I occasionally notice about conversations in this area is that some people care more about actions that hurt people than property.

If our hyopthetical rockstar trashes a hotel room, wrecks his car and then has a heart attack from cocaine, that might be judged differently than one that joins the local nazi party and attempts to murder someone.

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3. jollof+W5[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-20 03:55:16
>>wredco+11
However if a rockstar were to protest peacefully and shout “Black Lives Matters” then throw a rock through a police car window..

…I’d assume that would be judged differently than an attempted murder and trashing a hotel room.

The question is what would be the judgement for all three?

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4. wredco+Qc[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-20 05:24:32
>>jollof+W5
I'm genuinely confused what the question is.

Shouting "black lives matter" at a protest is a fairly minor virtuous action. Throwing a rock at a police car is a pretty minor sin.

Attempted murder is generally a pretty major sin, modulo quibbles about legal vs moral definitions of murder.

5. thephy+Fb2[view] [source] 2025-05-20 20:40:08
>>losved+(OP)
You are effectively pointing at the Overton Window. For your socially conservative household, almost everyone in the world lived outside of that local Overton Window.

Air Shaffer does a stand-up bit where he says that society gives a pass to extreme artists because we value their art and we don’t really care about (or we downplay) the other aspects of their life.

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