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1. baggy_+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-01-13 19:29:30
I already stated my approach. Let speech be met by more speech in return. Consumers can assess the credibility of each.
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2. tricer+42[view] [source] 2025-01-13 19:35:54
>>baggy_+(OP)
> Consumers can assess the credibility of each.

I ain't doing all that work. I'm picking whatever I already believe in.

/s but only kind of. That's how most people think. They aren't enlightened like you.

3. jandre+s2[view] [source] 2025-01-13 19:37:22
>>baggy_+(OP)
But your approach results in someone who can't even conceive of the truth being identifiable. It doesn't seem like a great way to run a society.
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4. acuozz+9l[view] [source] 2025-01-13 20:46:47
>>baggy_+(OP)
> Consumers can assess the credibility of each.

Assuming intelligence is normally distributed, then what's the plan for the bottom 50% here?

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5. baggy_+hs[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-13 21:13:13
>>jandre+s2
I am unable to connect your sentence to what I said.
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6. baggy_+os[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-13 21:13:47
>>acuozz+9l
As stated.
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7. jandre+GD[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-13 22:10:53
>>baggy_+hs
> I have no faith that there is some authoritative entity that could objectively determine what is a lie and what is the truth.

I read this as "it is impossible to determine truth". If there exists a well resourced entity who's entire purpose in life is to determine objective truth and they are unable to do so what chance do I have?

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8. potato+tg1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-14 01:59:01
>>jandre+s2
Having the power to determine truth does not seem like a great way to run a society even if it gets you some easy wins on other fronts.

It might work at first and be effective for some time in the same way that a dictator can "get things done" but there is no free lunch.

Eventually you will get evil dictators, power hungry arbitrators of truth. It will bite you. It is only a question of when. It might be years or generations. The only winning move is not to play. Don't concentrate the power in the first place.

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9. baggy_+mI2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-14 15:09:08
>>jandre+GD
You just have to use your best judgement like everybody else.
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10. acuozz+IW2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-14 16:08:51
>>baggy_+os
Understood. It's an interesting long-term strategy to revive Feudalism.
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11. baggy_+ke3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-14 17:03:42
>>acuozz+IW2
More a strategy to avoid totalitarianism.
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12. acuozz+qD3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-14 18:32:26
>>baggy_+ke3
By leaving the bottom 50% to be propagandized by populists?

If we were still living in the time of thirteen channels and Walter Cronkite on the CBS Evening News, I'd be inclined to agree with you.

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13. baggy_+FJ3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-14 18:58:11
>>acuozz+qD3
An elite thinking that they know the truth and should suppress falsehoods is much more dangerous, so yes.
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14. jandre+8k7[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-15 19:33:21
>>baggy_+mI2
That's the problem though. Your judgement gets warped by the constant stream of lies. That's the fundamental concept behind propaganda. If you repeat a lie enough times it will be believed. Everybody thinks they're too smart to be taken in by propaganda, that's one of the reasons it works so well.
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15. baggy_+kDb[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-16 23:43:45
>>jandre+8k7
That's true, and it works both ways.
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