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1. makeit+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-09-13 14:34:16
I'm not sure I follow, how is listening to music performed by another human live different from watching another human performing a sexy act live ?

The analog to actually having sex would be playing with the band on the stage.

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2. pfannk+62[view] [source] 2024-09-13 14:48:01
>>makeit+(OP)
Fair point.

The reason I don’t think only playing with the band counts is: in a hunter gather tribe 70,000 years ago, did everyone sing all of the songs all of the time? Or did some people just listen, at least some of the time?

Practically speaking I think it must have been the latter.

Of course there are lots of unnatural aspects in live music still, like too many people, too loud, etc. But recorded music is wholly unnatural, like pornography is.

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3. makeit+O4[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-13 15:06:21
>>pfannk+62
I get how it could be seen as "natural", but I'm not sure to see value in that definition. From that token, most of human culture is unnnatural, but honestly it doesn't bother me much.

I'm glad we have books, even as it's not as natural as oral transmission. I love photography, I'm so glad we have chemical food that requires such a brewing process to come to fruition, and I have no desire to go back to a hunter gatherer society, I like civilization in general. And pornography is sure part of it.

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4. nullst+Z6[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-13 15:21:09
>>pfannk+62
> Practically speaking I think it must have been the latter.

This assumes music was made as a performance. Music can be (and i argue probably mostly was) people jamming together. Musician and audience are blurred in this scenario.

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5. vunder+f8[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-13 15:29:13
>>pfannk+62
It seems like you're drawing an arbitrary line in the sand to determine what things are natural versus what things are unnatural. Furthermore, it seems like you think by definition, unnatural is negative.

By your logic, writing things down is also unnatural and we should've kept with the oral tradition only.

Natural is stepping on a piece of metal, contracting tetanus, and dying without appropriate medical treatment.

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6. ronino+Ao[view] [source] 2024-09-13 17:15:13
>>makeit+(OP)
It's safe to say that the impact on one's emotional and mental state is vastly different. This is a wider discussion of porn vs music, not necessarily OF vs recorded music though.
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7. RevEng+KG[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-13 19:21:08
>>nullst+Z6
Agreed, that's my experience growing up in a family where we regularly sang songs together casually as part of parties. It was less about listening to one performer and more about being part of the performance. Same still happens today with things like choirs - people are in it for singing with others, not for the eventual public performance. It's a very social activity.
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8. velp+m11[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-13 21:54:46
>>pfannk+62
Highly recommend the book "This is your brain on music", as it explores this question (among other interesting things).

According to the author, having separate words for singing and dancing is a relatively new phenomenon in linguistics, and the concept of a performer and an audience as a distinct separation is also relatively recent. He likens it to conversation - sure in any given instance there may be people more or less involved in the dialog of a conversation, but we would all think it very strange if someone said "I only listen to conversations, I don't talk in them" in the way someone today might say "I only listen to music, I don't sing/play/dance".

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9. HappMa+T61[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-09-13 22:43:45
>>vunder+f8
That's the spirit, porn is like hospitals. :D
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