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I thought California required job listings to provide pay ranges.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm...

>3) An employer with 15 or more employees shall include the pay scale for a position in any job posting.

>5) An employer with 15 or more employees that engages a third party to announce, post, publish, or otherwise make known a job posting shall provide the pay scale to the third party. The third party shall include the pay scale in the job posting.

Edit: wow, so many California/New York City/Washington/Colorado job listings that are omitting the legally required pay ranges

Edit 2: Also see #29 and #34 below:

https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/california_equal_pay_act.htm

>>lotsof+(OP)
Nice callout. Love that these posts have comments enabled. I hope that never changes.

>>lotsof+(OP)
wdym? i doubt this qualifies as a job posting

>>lotsof+(OP)
what’s the point, most companies just give a broad range like 200k-600k which makes the whole exercise pointless.

>>sashan+5s
The bottom of the range, and the movement of the bottom of the range, provides necessary information to shed light on the movement of supply and demand.

>>lotsof+8z
You’re far better off just using levels.fyi which is pretty accurate for big companies like Apple. According to levels ICT4 varies from 260k to 440k which I’m willing to bet is a narrower band than anything Apple will provide.

>>jriggs+hk
What’s missing that would qualify this as a job posting?

It has a detailed description of the position they’re hiring for, and an apple.com email address. Sure seems like it’s a California company posting about a job opening.

>>sashan+5s
I don't think that's pointless at all, there are plenty of companies that have a high range lower than what I want. At least with a high range I know if I do well enough, I have a shot at getting something around there.

>>sashan+7E
Information from the business itself is more reliable than information from a third party website. It is also more useful to the business’s existing employees.

Also, the third party website can use the information from official job listings to provide the most accurate and sourced data.

>>pavlov+tF
I get what you're saying, but this is an HN thread. I see people from companies I use to work at post in these threads sometimes.

It's less a formal post and more like "Hey I'm on a team hiring, here's what the job entails, email me (or recruiter) if interested!"

Yes it might technically amount to a job posting, but being pedantic and making this forum a hellish place probably isn't a good idea :)

>>silenc+nP
This is not an informal discussion though. This is a monthly thread, posted by one of the administrators of the site, with the express purpose of matching job seekers with job providers. The top level post includes everything a normal job posting does, and is phrased in the style of a job posting. It would be hard to argue in a court of law that it is not, unless the OP doesn't have permission from Apple to advertise a job opening.

>>VirusN+ZF
Hard disagree, if Apple posts something like 200-600k for an ICT4 role, you virtually have no shot of getting 600k.

But if you just check levels.fyi you will find out that you might have a shot for 440k, which is not info Apple provides.

>>lotsof+hI
If levels.fyi used info from job listings, it would end up completely useless like the pay ranges companies post.

The whole reason it works, is because it does not use “official data.”

>>sashan+YW1
It’s possible to track two different things.

Movement of the bottom of the range and movement of the reported prices of cleared transactions.

The former information is credible and useful for looking at long term supply and demand trends.

The latter information is useful for negotiating individual compensation.

>>dj_mc_+YR
They will probably send you a link to formally apply on the Apple site once you send the email. I’m guessing that site will have the comp range.

Not a lawyer, but I’m guessing the comp range inclusion needs to be advertised before you formally apply for the position. I doubt the email here is that.

>>lotsof+(OP)
These comments are getting repetitive and Who Is Hiring threads are not the place to ligitate this (let alone have off-topic tangents like >>40228529 )

We detached this subthread from >>40224322 .

>>heyoni+H3
Comments are enabled so people can ask relevant questions and occasionally exchange information, but unfortunately there's also a strong tendency to go off topic.