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1. BobaFl+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-01-31 16:45:10
It's fascinating to me the extent to which executives don't consider themselves "public figures" when it comes to potential downsides, but they do in terms of upsides.

It feels so obvious to me that the CEO of such a high-profile org should at the very least quickly check public-facing social media posts against someone sensible, if not laundering them all through the experts at their org. But somehow they keep making these mistakes over and over again.

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2. bloope+y1[view] [source] 2024-01-31 16:52:30
>>BobaFl+(OP)
The battlecry of the executive: "Rules for thee but none for me"
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3. roughl+r2[view] [source] 2024-01-31 16:56:42
>>BobaFl+(OP)
No, see, tech CEOs are all brilliant brain geniuses, and any attempt or notion to run their ideas or behavior past experienced professionals is nothing but a sop to outdated traditions which risks not just slowing them down, but by extension slowing all of humanity down and condemning literally uncountable future generations to darkness and death! Is that what you’re advocating for? The premature deaths of uncounted billions? You monster.
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4. bko+O2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 16:57:45
>>bloope+y1
Isn't it the reverse though? If a not notable person tweeted this stuff, it would have blown over and no one would have cared. But since he is notable it becomes a story

I think that was the point of the parents "public figures" comment

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5. ativzz+83[view] [source] 2024-01-31 16:59:01
>>BobaFl+(OP)
Many CEOs are regular people who happen to be overtly charismatic to a fault. It just so happens that overtly charismatic people tend to be rewarded greatly by our social structures

These CEOs aren't doing anything different in these situations - they're being themselves and doing what they did to get their position. Other people generally don't call them out on their BS because it's an uphill battle fighting overtly charismatic people, and it's much easier to accept their flaws for the benefit of riding their coattails to the top

This is why they can't differentiate between upsides/downsides - people let them get away with things that other people can't, and to them it is all the same

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6. aaomid+h3[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 16:59:32
>>bko+O2
It's their battlecry, not necessarily in tune with reality.
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7. toomuc+i3[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 16:59:36
>>bko+O2
> Isn't it the reverse though? If a not notable person tweeted this stuff, it would have blown over and no one would have cared. But since he is notable it becomes a story

This is not borne out by historical events.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_You%27ve_Been_Publicly_Sham...

8. rchaud+m3[view] [source] 2024-01-31 16:59:44
>>BobaFl+(OP)
It's the new spin on "I want the President to be someone I can have a beer with."

Quoting 2Pac lyrics is just comical. Even more out of touch than Ben Horowitz (of Andreessen Horowitz) starting every chapter of his ultra-corporate startup book with Jay-Z lyrics.

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9. lainga+15[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:05:57
>>roughl+r2
“We believe any deceleration of my tweeting will cost lives. Deaths that were preventable by the tweet that was prevented from existing is a form of murder.”

(with no apology and copious reference of Arkell v. Pressdram to Mr. Andreessen)

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10. syrgia+75[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:06:17
>>bko+O2
If a non-notable person tweeted this, they might have lost their livelihood.
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11. dboreh+l5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:06:57
>>rchaud+m3
Ben is a long-time (life long?) rap lyric afficionado and in that respect actually quite "in-touch".
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12. rchaud+K5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:08:19
>>bko+O2
How would it have blown over? Normal people with jobs lose them all the time due to making idiotic comments online that get back to their employer.

Note that I say "idiotic comments", not outright " F U and die" comments as is the case here.

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13. zozbot+O5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:08:30
>>roughl+r2
Not sure if serious or just "e/acc"...
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14. tshadd+j6[view] [source] 2024-01-31 17:10:11
>>BobaFl+(OP)
I suppose I can't disagree with the advise you're providing, although I'm a little troubled by the implication that the problem here is simply that he didn't send this vile rant to his social media team to proofread before he posted it.
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15. duxup+s6[view] [source] 2024-01-31 17:10:52
>>BobaFl+(OP)
I've worked for several big companies where the CEO wanted people to ask tough questions at big meetings from the rank and file and so on. Front line managers had to prompt employees to ask question so it wasn't just awkward silence.

It's telling executives would think people would just ask tough questions on demand. It of course costs the CEO nothing to provide everyone else at the company tough questions / feedback, employees though need to consider their words carefully depending on who at a company is listening as there can be real consequences.

It's one of those things that I'm sure seems like it makes the executive look "open", but rather it just shows their ignorance / are out of touch with the life of a rando worker.

Not a surprise that kind of unawareness leaks out of the workplace as they operate in a space where they are often relatively free to speak their mind.

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16. etc-ho+w6[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:11:04
>>rchaud+m3
Ben Horowitz is a pretty interesting guy

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/technology/one-family-man...

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17. bko+H6[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:11:39
>>syrgia+75
Um... Have you been on Twitter lately?
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18. j2kun+07[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:12:32
>>dboreh+l5
I think you misunderstood the meaning of "out of touch" in this context.
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19. s1arti+f7[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:13:27
>>syrgia+75
They might, or they might be one of thousands of people on a tuesday
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20. zozbot+G7[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:14:29
>>tshadd+j6
He's literally the CEO of YC, and news.yc is social-media adjacent at least. What he posted would not pass mustard here.
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21. mvdtnz+K7[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:14:37
>>ativzz+83
I've never heard of Garry Tan before just now, but he didn't strike me as "overtly charismatic" in the linked article. He struck me as incredibly unhinged and unlikeable.
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22. dgfitz+L7[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:14:46
>>tshadd+j6
I think the point was more that sending it to a team would have hopefully resulted in it not being posted at all.
23. treflo+18[view] [source] 2024-01-31 17:15:51
>>BobaFl+(OP)
Humans run the gamut.

Sure there are humans that stickerbomb a tie die hatchback or go on Joe Rogan but then you got your human that lives a private life and drives a gray crossover.

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24. jnovek+c8[view] [source] 2024-01-31 17:16:27
>>BobaFl+(OP)
I'm a YC alum and it's an important bullet point on my resume.

I would rather YC leadership kept their political positions to themselves as much as is reasonably possible. It dilutes the value of that bullet point -- I want it to communicate things about my work ethic and competency. I don't want it to imply _anything_ about my political opinions.

I don't have a problem with tech leaders holding political positions, nor do I have a problem with them making personal donations based on those opinions. Quietly.

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25. marric+i8[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:16:54
>>zozbot+O5
> brilliant brain geniuses

If that is ever typed seriously I don't want to be in those comments.

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26. hnthro+R8[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:19:18
>>syrgia+75
Cancel mobs for stuff like this for Joe Average may have worked in 2018, but now are effectively over. It's equals parts a post-ZIRP cultural shift of companies no longer pretending to care about DEI, a post-Elon Twitter cultural shift for what's seen as acceptable, and a post-Oct 7 shift where, frankly, companies are now scared shitless to take political stances in general because of how sensitive the topic of the current war in the middle east is.
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27. j2kun+U8[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:19:26
>>bko+O2
I'm sure his company's legal staff has reminded his employees to not engage in political action while appearing to represent their company. My company sure does.
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28. BobaFl+n9[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:21:44
>>duxup+s6
The other thing is, there's no guarantee that a CEO that genuinely wants the rank and file to ask tough questions still won't instantly fire someone for the wrong tough question. Some CEOs are all about wanting to be challenged and pushed back by their employees until someone accidentally hits a nerve on a bad day, and there's very little recourse for most employees in the US if they get fired because they pissed off the executives.
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29. crowcr+v9[view] [source] 2024-01-31 17:22:14
>>BobaFl+(OP)
They want the power, but not the responsibility.
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30. BobaFl+Ka[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:27:18
>>tshadd+j6
It's not to proof-read it, it's to make sure it's not going to damage the company.

Everyone has opinions that would get them cancelled on Twitter. Most of us are sensible enough to keep them to ourselves, or, at least, off Twitter, without even having the responsibility to maintain the image of a business. He has a duty to his employees, his clients, and his investors that goes far beyond the standard duty of "Don't be an asshole on Twitter."

Political hyperbole is also kind of the norm on Twitter (which is one of many reasons I don't spend much time there), so it's entirely possible he thought he was being humorous, and that it was abundantly obvious that he shouldn't be taken literally. Which might even be true. But CEOs are at extra risk of getting taken out of context and willfully misinterpreted, and they should fucking Tweet like it.

I disagree with what he said, but I'm more insulted that the people are allowed such insane levels of power and responsibility and are given such disproportionate compensation have the common sense of a middle-schooler.

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31. sjwhev+4b[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:28:36
>>dboreh+l5
Yeah, nothing says “digging in the crates” more than quoting the most mainstream possible artist in a genre.

Give me DOOM lyrics or GTFO.

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32. Kaiser+oc[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:33:18
>>ativzz+83
> Many CEOs are regular people

Agreed

> who happen to be overtly charismatic to a fault.

Not so much.

> they're being themselves and doing what they did to get their position.

yes, there is a way of talking in industry that allows people to rise through the ranks. Its very rare that you get to the top by being an odious prick all the time.

However, people on the inside don't tend call out CEOs, because they need something from them. If you are frank with your CEO and they don't like it, you're out on your arse, to be replaced by a yes man. (not always, but its surprisingly common)

It is very easy to become a CEO as a normal person, only to develop into an horrid shit later.

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33. not2b+Ec[view] [source] 2024-01-31 17:34:21
>>BobaFl+(OP)
He said he was drunk when he posted the rant calling for slow death of most of the San Francisco city council, so of course he didn't send it to corporate PR to check. This kind of behavior shouldn't be acceptable for the head of a respectable corporation, even if his tweet hadn't led others to follow up with death threats. He should resign or be dismissed and YC should replace him with a responsible adult. This isn't a minor offense, it is grotesque. If he remains, it reflects very badly on YC.
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34. bilbo0+Yc[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:35:21
>>treflo+18
Ever notice how most of them never even joke about certain things?

Like, say, death threats?

I'd be willing to bet that a lot of humans go their entire lives without joking about death threats.

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35. throwa+Xd[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:38:50
>>zozbot+G7
'Pass muster,' the figure drawn from the military practice of mustering (gathering) troops for inspection of their uniform, equipment, and personal grooming. Unsatisfactory presentation can result in being sent away to fix it, usually repeatedly and at length while being smoked by an NCO, to help you remember not to make the same mistake again. When this occurs, the one so dismissed has failed to pass muster.
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36. throwa+zf[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:46:41
>>jnovek+c8
Why the double standard? Why should or shouldn't it be couth for someone to talk about their political positions? Everyone is a human, and you don't get anything done in politics unless there is mass action, which means we must have conversations, public AND private, about politics.

I'm sorry, if you are like "I'm glad they gave me the money and the label" and can't take it when someone associated makes an embarassing human moment, you are just trying to have your cake and eat it too. Do better.

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37. Humbly+Ff[view] [source] 2024-01-31 17:47:08
>>BobaFl+(OP)
> It's fascinating to me the extent to which executives don't consider themselves "public figures" when it comes to potential downsides, but they do in terms of upsides.

Really? Because they are all about upsides.

"My initiatives led to 1,500,000 new bank accounts opened in the last 3 quarters!"

Vs.

"I didn't have any knowledge that the 1,450,000 new bank accounts were opened fraudulently!"

38. spacem+5g[view] [source] 2024-01-31 17:49:07
>>BobaFl+(OP)
That’s what most business “leaders” do. When the money is rolling in they are visionaries, when the money is threatened it’s the economy and time for layoffs. So anything good is their doing, anything bad and it’s time to deflect.
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39. petese+Jg[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:52:25
>>jnovek+c8
> I want it to communicate things about my work ethic and competency

Doesn't it just communicate that you got in to YC?

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40. smolde+2h[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:53:11
>>throwa+zf
I don't think the parent wants to eat their cake and have it too; they're torn between having the credentials or abandoning them because it's embarassing. And who can blame them? I've never said the words "Y Combinator" outside the West coast and got a positive reaction.

YC can have political opinions, but they should acknowledge the opportunity cost of putting their politics before their community. Behavior like the one linked in the OP is incredibly petty and probably should make the associated parties feel bad about working with that kind of person. Lord knows I feel ashamed to be an HN user today.

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41. JohnFe+4i[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 17:57:51
>>petese+Jg
A CEO represents the organization that they're a CEO of. It's natural and not entirely unwarranted for people to think that a CEO's behavior and attitude is also reflected to some degree by the organization itself.
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42. JohnFe+Ni[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 18:01:05
>>BobaFl+n9
Yes, this. It's a clear and obvious trap.
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43. skeete+dj[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 18:03:11
>>duxup+s6
My Boss (the CTO at a mid-sized company) says he really appreciates my candor and ability to ask challenging questions, but based on his reactions when I do so I'm pretty sure what he actually really likes the IDEA of being an executive who invites diverse and dissenting input, more than having people do it.
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44. skeete+Cj[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 18:05:31
>>throwa+zf
because they want the signal to come from what YC has accomplished and represents, not the personal opinions of someone associated with them who's leveraging his unrelated benefits in a socially very unacceptable way.
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45. skeete+hk[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 18:07:58
>>dboreh+l5
what exactly is a "rap lyric aficionado"? He's about as in-touch as an Ivy-league academic studying poverty is with living in rural Appalachia.
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46. skeete+Ik[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 18:09:37
>>throwa+Xd
I think he meant "If he offered me the mustard, I'd tell him to go to hell"
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47. archag+Kl[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 18:14:39
>>marric+i8
BRB, printing new business cards.
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48. qzw+jm[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 18:18:03
>>rchaud+m3
But Jay-Z is also ultra-corporate, so it fits?
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49. rsanek+no[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 18:28:38
>>ativzz+83
I might be convinced that founders tend to be charismatic (they convinced a bunch of people to build their dream when it was just a dream, after all), but your run-of-the-mill CEO certainly isn't.
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50. rchaud+Pr[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 18:46:23
>>qzw+jm
Not the "street rap era" Jay-Z he was quoting in his book.
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51. thefau+3L[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 20:21:31
>>sjwhev+4b
I see your DOOM and raise Viktor Vaughn :)
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52. operat+rO[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 20:39:28
>>Kaiser+oc
>Not so much.

Could probably fix that quote by adding "believe they are."

>who happen to believe they are overtly charismatic to a fault.

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53. trust_+Fo1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 00:08:08
>>mvdtnz+K7
Those are not mutually exclusive in my experience.
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54. r00fus+wp1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 00:15:57
>>throwa+zf
Do better? No, Tan and YC need to understand this will impact their image.

Free speech has consequences. And speech that has unhinged threats (even if it has a disclaimer that it's not) has potential consequences with law enforcement.

I don't think it's out of line for someone who's investing their time and effort into an organization to be critical of leadership.

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55. plasti+Bq1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 00:23:55
>>skeete+dj
To be generous, sometimes how one feels in the moment is different than how one feels when given time to reflect. So it may be that your boss really does appreciate it (just not right then).
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56. crote+3t1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 00:41:31
>>ativzz+83
> Many CEOs are regular people who happen to be overtly charismatic to a fault.

It's quite common for them to appear overtly charismatic at first glance. Narcissism and psychopathy are extremely common at that level. It's why you should always be weary of CEOs who seem a little bit too happy to have a very high-profile public presence.

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57. krapp+Ft1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 00:46:05
>>mvdtnz+K7
"unhinged and unlikeable" are charismatic traits nowadays. Those are exactly the personality aspects people believe are necessary and find attractive in truly innovative leaders, like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk. They read as hard-nosed sincerity and truth, no bullshit. The unreasonable man to which the world must yield.

Hell, we recently elected a President almost entirely because he was the biggest asshole in the room.

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58. mgh2+mw1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 01:14:07
>>ativzz+83
Money and fame corrupts, alcohol disinhibits that corruption.
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59. shiroi+8z1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 01:47:05
>>krapp+Ft1
>Hell, we recently elected a President almost entirely because he was the biggest asshole in the room.

Speak for yourself. This seems to be mostly an American problem.

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60. fragme+Mz1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 01:55:12
>>shiroi+8z1
The rise of right wing parties all over the world suggest it's not a uniquely American problem, unfortunately.
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61. shiroi+TB1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 02:19:03
>>not2b+Ec
Obviously, YC is not a "respectable organization", since they picked this fruitcake as their leader. This also explains why a portion of the readership of this site is so obviously unhinged.
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62. lawgim+iC1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 02:23:14
>>dboreh+l5
He’s not. What does rap lyric aficionado even means? Tupac is not even that lyrical or rhyme elite.
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63. shiroi+zC1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 02:25:58
>>skeete+Ik
What if it's Grey Poupon?
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64. menset+iD1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 02:37:13
>>shiroi+TB1
If you judge someone based on their worst day, you won't live a very happy life.
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65. 1vuio0+PE1[view] [source] 2024-02-01 02:56:30
>>BobaFl+(OP)
Based on that tweet, this person does not fit any definition of "executive" that I would subscribe to.
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66. shiroi+IJ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 04:02:59
>>fragme+Mz1
While I might disagree with the political opinions of those right wing parties, I've never seen any of them show complete incompetence and stupidity to the level of suggesting that people inject themselves with bleach to cure a virus.
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67. angus-+DL1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 04:30:32
>>menset+iD1
If you expect not to be judged for your worst behaviour, then everyone around you won't live a happy life.
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68. double+kN1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 04:54:05
>>shiroi+IJ1
Chlorination of the gene pool in the most literal of senses.
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69. specia+MP1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 05:31:09
>>throwa+zf
Are you suggesting branding is irrelevant?
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70. specia+3R1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 05:47:21
>>rchaud+m3
Heh. I look forward to If Books Could Kill's review. Failing that, I imagine this review properly captures the gist:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/RFZJKA736UBAH/ref...

I'll reserve judgement until we see how a16z's "digital asset class" thing pans out. Some might even say blockchains are eating the world.

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71. specia+5S1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 05:59:52
>>etc-ho+w6
TIL: Son of David Horowitz. Oh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Horowitz

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72. throwa+eT1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 06:15:45
>>r00fus+wp1
nobody is saying free speech doesn't have consequences. I'm saying taking money and reputation has consequences too.
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73. PeterS+612[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 07:54:33
>>jnovek+c8
I'd rather they do it publicly than secretly tbh. At least you know where they stand.

As for companies, judge their actions, not their words.

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74. PeterS+T12[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 08:03:02
>>throwa+eT1
But at what point do 'consequences' start to negate the 'free' in speech?

I'd argue you have reached the limits of free speach the moment there are consequences for just the speech.

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75. wyclif+O32[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 08:29:56
>>shiroi+8z1
Both Europe and Asia have their own problems with authoritarian, strongman-type fascists.
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76. mattwo+BM2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 14:55:50
>>shiroi+zC1
Gary Poupon?
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77. bernie+TW2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 15:57:25
>>mgh2+mw1
Corruption can lead to money and fame.
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78. bernie+YY2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 16:05:37
>>duxup+s6
I was at a big company where this happened. I also knew of a person behind the scenes with admin access making sure softball questions were voted to the top.

Then they dropped voting when the questions got too real.

Then they lit up the staff by saying, “If you don’t like being here, then leave!”

Then they stopped taking questions and went back to fireside chat monologs that offered no real information.

One of the many Dilbertian experiences in my career.

I once accused a VP of creating an environment of “opaque transparency” in a large staff meeting… nobody laughed, though I got lots of private kudos after the meeting.

Much of the corporate world is smoke and mirrors. That’s the nature of the game unfortunately.

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79. jodrel+l53[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 16:34:47
>>skeete+dj
"Managers often say they'll reward something – perhaps they even believe it. But then they proceed to reward different things. I think people are fairly good at predicting this discrepancy...." - "People can read their manager's mind", Jossi Kreinin - https://yosefk.com/blog/people-can-read-their-managers-mind....
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80. brian-+ri4[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 22:39:10
>>skeete+dj
This happened with me -- VP said he wanted feedback but clearly didn't like real critical feedback. Then that VP tried to set up a denied promo, even though I was performing two levels above my then-current level. Finally the company got bought and levels were frozen and he was laid off (as executives are often laid off in an acquisition), so who knows what would happened.
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81. not2b+Ik4[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 22:47:58
>>menset+iD1
People suffer consequences for their worst day all the time. Ordinary workers who engage in this kind of conduct usually get fired, often followed by police investigation, and they aren't judged for the days that they didn't bring their companies into disrepute by calling for the death of public officials. A CEO should be held to a higher standard, not a lower standard.
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82. cdchn+gO4[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-02 02:54:59
>>menset+iD1
He's not being judged by what he said on his worst day, its his worst day because he is being judged by what he said on just another day to him.
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83. wolver+295[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-02 06:26:12
>>rchaud+m3
Maybe they don't care at all whether they are in or out of touch. That is a preoccupation of people at a certain age.
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84. happym+vc5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-02 07:05:17
>>shiroi+IJ1
While he never suggested injecting bleach, may I introduce you someone incompetent, and unable to keep his mouth shut before blurting out racist nonsense.

Boris Johnson.

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85. graeme+9p5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-02 09:09:10
>>krapp+Ft1
> "unhinged and unlikeable" are charismatic traits nowadays.

Nowadays? It goes back millennia.

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86. coding+7D5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-02 11:46:11
>>shiroi+IJ1
That is an actual lie
replies(1): >>yencab+bP5
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87. yencab+bP5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-02 13:32:34
>>coding+7D5
The quote is

> Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.

I guess if you want to argue about the true meaning of "something like that" or "to use medical doctors with" injecting disinfectant.

replies(1): >>coding+Nz7
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88. phone8+Nz6[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-02 17:10:19
>>krapp+Ft1
> Those are exactly the personality aspects people believe are necessary and find attractive in truly innovative leaders, like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk.

Nothing says innovative leader like taking something a bunch of other people were already doing and doing it the same with added sociopathy on top.

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89. coding+Nz7[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-02 22:03:05
>>yencab+bP5
Guess you looked it up, realized your mistake and want cover anyway
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