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1. ativzz+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-01-31 16:59:01
Many CEOs are regular people who happen to be overtly charismatic to a fault. It just so happens that overtly charismatic people tend to be rewarded greatly by our social structures

These CEOs aren't doing anything different in these situations - they're being themselves and doing what they did to get their position. Other people generally don't call them out on their BS because it's an uphill battle fighting overtly charismatic people, and it's much easier to accept their flaws for the benefit of riding their coattails to the top

This is why they can't differentiate between upsides/downsides - people let them get away with things that other people can't, and to them it is all the same

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2. mvdtnz+C4[view] [source] 2024-01-31 17:14:37
>>ativzz+(OP)
I've never heard of Garry Tan before just now, but he didn't strike me as "overtly charismatic" in the linked article. He struck me as incredibly unhinged and unlikeable.
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3. Kaiser+g9[view] [source] 2024-01-31 17:33:18
>>ativzz+(OP)
> Many CEOs are regular people

Agreed

> who happen to be overtly charismatic to a fault.

Not so much.

> they're being themselves and doing what they did to get their position.

yes, there is a way of talking in industry that allows people to rise through the ranks. Its very rare that you get to the top by being an odious prick all the time.

However, people on the inside don't tend call out CEOs, because they need something from them. If you are frank with your CEO and they don't like it, you're out on your arse, to be replaced by a yes man. (not always, but its surprisingly common)

It is very easy to become a CEO as a normal person, only to develop into an horrid shit later.

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4. rsanek+fl[view] [source] 2024-01-31 18:28:38
>>ativzz+(OP)
I might be convinced that founders tend to be charismatic (they convinced a bunch of people to build their dream when it was just a dream, after all), but your run-of-the-mill CEO certainly isn't.
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5. operat+jL[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-01-31 20:39:28
>>Kaiser+g9
>Not so much.

Could probably fix that quote by adding "believe they are."

>who happen to believe they are overtly charismatic to a fault.

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6. trust_+xl1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 00:08:08
>>mvdtnz+C4
Those are not mutually exclusive in my experience.
7. crote+Vp1[view] [source] 2024-02-01 00:41:31
>>ativzz+(OP)
> Many CEOs are regular people who happen to be overtly charismatic to a fault.

It's quite common for them to appear overtly charismatic at first glance. Narcissism and psychopathy are extremely common at that level. It's why you should always be weary of CEOs who seem a little bit too happy to have a very high-profile public presence.

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8. krapp+xq1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 00:46:05
>>mvdtnz+C4
"unhinged and unlikeable" are charismatic traits nowadays. Those are exactly the personality aspects people believe are necessary and find attractive in truly innovative leaders, like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk. They read as hard-nosed sincerity and truth, no bullshit. The unreasonable man to which the world must yield.

Hell, we recently elected a President almost entirely because he was the biggest asshole in the room.

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9. mgh2+et1[view] [source] 2024-02-01 01:14:07
>>ativzz+(OP)
Money and fame corrupts, alcohol disinhibits that corruption.
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10. shiroi+0w1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 01:47:05
>>krapp+xq1
>Hell, we recently elected a President almost entirely because he was the biggest asshole in the room.

Speak for yourself. This seems to be mostly an American problem.

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11. fragme+Ew1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 01:55:12
>>shiroi+0w1
The rise of right wing parties all over the world suggest it's not a uniquely American problem, unfortunately.
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12. shiroi+AG1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 04:02:59
>>fragme+Ew1
While I might disagree with the political opinions of those right wing parties, I've never seen any of them show complete incompetence and stupidity to the level of suggesting that people inject themselves with bleach to cure a virus.
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13. double+cK1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 04:54:05
>>shiroi+AG1
Chlorination of the gene pool in the most literal of senses.
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14. wyclif+G02[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 08:29:56
>>shiroi+0w1
Both Europe and Asia have their own problems with authoritarian, strongman-type fascists.
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15. bernie+LT2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-01 15:57:25
>>mgh2+et1
Corruption can lead to money and fame.
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16. happym+n95[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-02 07:05:17
>>shiroi+AG1
While he never suggested injecting bleach, may I introduce you someone incompetent, and unable to keep his mouth shut before blurting out racist nonsense.

Boris Johnson.

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17. graeme+1m5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-02 09:09:10
>>krapp+xq1
> "unhinged and unlikeable" are charismatic traits nowadays.

Nowadays? It goes back millennia.

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18. coding+Zz5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-02 11:46:11
>>shiroi+AG1
That is an actual lie
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19. yencab+3M5[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-02 13:32:34
>>coding+Zz5
The quote is

> Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.

I guess if you want to argue about the true meaning of "something like that" or "to use medical doctors with" injecting disinfectant.

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20. phone8+Fw6[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-02 17:10:19
>>krapp+xq1
> Those are exactly the personality aspects people believe are necessary and find attractive in truly innovative leaders, like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk.

Nothing says innovative leader like taking something a bunch of other people were already doing and doing it the same with added sociopathy on top.

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21. coding+Fw7[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-02-02 22:03:05
>>yencab+3M5
Guess you looked it up, realized your mistake and want cover anyway
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