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1. jvande+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-27 12:52:11
This is not growth mindset, FYI.

Growth mindset is the _personal_ belief that _your own_ abilities are not fixed and can grow. It provides psychological benefit when faced with difficult problems and improves grit. It is not the classic HN over-optimized self. It says nothing about _requiring_ growth.

But for this conversation, the point is made well enough, I just hoped we could avoid a viral pushback against a perfectly reasonable thing.

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2. jbreck+J2[view] [source] 2023-11-27 13:11:14
>>jvande+(OP)
I am referring to the "growth mindset" as it applies to companies, and then pointing out how absurd it would be for a human to act the same way. The context is how the "continuous growth strategy" leads companies to release inferior products
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3. lioete+M2[view] [source] 2023-11-27 13:11:31
>>jvande+(OP)
> improves grit

I like how you phrased that as the positive result of a (personal) growth mindset. For non-native English speakers, the word "grit" might be interesting to learn about. Aside from the other common meaning of "coarse grains as of sand or stone"..

> In psychology, grit is a positive, non-cognitive trait based on a person's perseverance of effort combined with their passion for a particular long-term goal or end state (a powerful motivation to achieve an objective).

> This perseverance of effort helps people overcome obstacles or challenges to accomplishment and drives people to achieve.

> Distinct but commonly associated concepts within the field of psychology include "perseverance", "hardiness", "resilience", "ambition", "need for achievement", and "conscientiousness".

It reminds me of a similar term, "gumption".

> gumption - Boldness of enterprise; initiative or aggressiveness.

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4. clnq+l8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-27 13:54:16
>>lioete+M2
An interesting read on grit that was popular on LessWrong, despite not being posted to their platform - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CyHvCwWh_BwukwNE-y61oBCj...
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5. Frustr+D9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-27 14:02:53
>>lioete+M2
I think a lot of this thread is really confusing 'personal growth' to 'market share growth'.

You can have ordinary well functioning products that just do their one thing and do them well, and thus grow market share.

There is nothing about 'growth' that says your product must add and add features until it is un-usable, which it seems like people are saying is 'growth' as in 'personal growth'.

Just build good products and 'grow' market share.

Printers have failed this by making their products bad by growing features, and thus Brother is winning because it can simply print. A printer that can just print, and not wash your car.

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6. steeze+cd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-27 14:23:02
>>jbreck+J2
I understand your point, but you do keep using a phrase that means something else than what you're describing. "growth mindset" is a phrase used a lot in psychology, from Carol Dweck.
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7. jbreck+Di[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-27 14:52:44
>>steeze+cd
I used the term only twice, directly replying to a comment about growth strategy. If I could edit I would, but still I think it makes sense in context.
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