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1. aljgz+u4[view] [source] 2023-11-27 08:23:53
>>anothe+(OP)
The growth mindset is incredible for expanding when your product is in its early ages. But there should be a "sustain" mindset at some point. First you push to grow the market, or your market share. When returns on your efforts become diminishing, you push to improve how much you earn of each customer/each sale. At some point there should be a mindset that our company is worth X dollars, and we should sustain that.

What happens instead is companies keep rewarding executives by increases in revenue, they keep rewarding product managers similarly, and product managers selectively choose metrics that optimize immediate revenue, at the expense of brand loyalty. This is happening to almost every tech company, and the exceptions are rare gems.

In android, if I click on a link in facebook messenger that takes me to facebook, the back button takes me "back" to facebook's home screen instead of to the messenger app. Tapping back button again does nothing. I have to switch back to messenger manually. That's 5-6 taps/swipes instead of 1, because a product manager's bonus in FB depends on how well they beg for more engagement. As a result, I rarely use any of these products. I used to spend some time in Instagram/FB. I close LinkedIn immediately after an important interaction for similar reasons.

I made a mistake of buying another Samsung product after years. Never again. I made a mistake of buying another HP product, never again. I might still consider Dell only because of how well they supported me with their monitor flicker.

None of these products have a defect that's caused by poor design, programming, or manufacturing. They all suffer from growth-obsessed mindset.

Brother is what it is, not because of lack of innovation, but because of deliberate evasion of short-sighted greed.

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2. jbreck+mb[view] [source] 2023-11-27 09:10:54
>>aljgz+u4
If you think about it the growth mindset is quite psychotic.

Imagine a human being with a growth mindset. He optimises his bodyfat to the point of anorexia. He optimises conversations by extracting knowledge then moving on. His diet is pure protein shakes and broccoli. Every morning he does six Leetcode Hards. If you met him you'd think he was deranged.

This growth ideology means every company we interact with behaves like Bob. Soon enough this Bobism filters into people through the labour market and professional values. (Like the Leetcoders). It's alienating and the only purpose it serves is an investment based economy with unclear benefits to society at large

It creates a very strange world where we have computers acting like people and people acting like machines

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3. jvande+bD[view] [source] 2023-11-27 12:52:11
>>jbreck+mb
This is not growth mindset, FYI.

Growth mindset is the _personal_ belief that _your own_ abilities are not fixed and can grow. It provides psychological benefit when faced with difficult problems and improves grit. It is not the classic HN over-optimized self. It says nothing about _requiring_ growth.

But for this conversation, the point is made well enough, I just hoped we could avoid a viral pushback against a perfectly reasonable thing.

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4. lioete+XF[view] [source] 2023-11-27 13:11:31
>>jvande+bD
> improves grit

I like how you phrased that as the positive result of a (personal) growth mindset. For non-native English speakers, the word "grit" might be interesting to learn about. Aside from the other common meaning of "coarse grains as of sand or stone"..

> In psychology, grit is a positive, non-cognitive trait based on a person's perseverance of effort combined with their passion for a particular long-term goal or end state (a powerful motivation to achieve an objective).

> This perseverance of effort helps people overcome obstacles or challenges to accomplishment and drives people to achieve.

> Distinct but commonly associated concepts within the field of psychology include "perseverance", "hardiness", "resilience", "ambition", "need for achievement", and "conscientiousness".

It reminds me of a similar term, "gumption".

> gumption - Boldness of enterprise; initiative or aggressiveness.

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5. clnq+wL[view] [source] 2023-11-27 13:54:16
>>lioete+XF
An interesting read on grit that was popular on LessWrong, despite not being posted to their platform - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CyHvCwWh_BwukwNE-y61oBCj...
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