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1. jmyeet+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-18 23:40:22
This boards needs to be fired. Every single one of them.

I don't understand how Microsoft, after having invested billions, doesn't have a board seat. If they did, I doubt this would've ever happened. I'm not sure why Microsoft let that happen.

But even ignoring that, the board making a decision as impactful as this without consulting their major investors is a dereliction of duty. That alone justifies getting rid of all of them because all of them are complicit in not consulting Microsoft (and probably others).

I have no idea why Sam was fired but it really feels just like an internal power struggle. Maybe there was genuine disagreement about the direction for the company but you choose a leader to make decisions. Ousting the CEO under vague descriptions of "communications with the board" just doesn't pass the smell test.

I'm reminded of this great line from Roger Sterling [1]:

> Half the time this business comes down to "I don't like this guy"

So much of working, performance reviews, hiring and firing decisions and promotions is completely vibes-based.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY20L_u_WxM

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2. cthalu+t1[view] [source] 2023-11-18 23:49:13
>>jmyeet+(OP)
The entire setup is structured so that they are not supposed to be beholden to investors. If it is true that they ultimately are and Microsoft is the leverage to get Altman back, then they explicitly failed in the goal in setting up their structure of governance.

The fundamental thing you are missing here is that the charter of the non-profit and structure of their ownership of the for-profit (and the for-profit's operating agreement) is all designed in a way that is supposed to eliminate financial incentives for stakeholders as being the thing that the company and non-profit are beholden to.

It may turn out that the practical reality is different from the intent, but everything you're talking about was a feature and not a bug of how this whole thing was set up.

https://openai.com/our-structure

3. croes+L1[view] [source] 2023-11-18 23:50:40
>>jmyeet+(OP)
You don't know why Altman was fired in the first place

Maybe their intentions where right and know MS forces them to take them back.

In the end will get a company working for MS's benefit only.

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4. jmyeet+K2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-18 23:54:41
>>croes+L1
My point is that the reason for Sam's firing is irrelevant to the point that the board is incompetent and should be fired.

Valid or not, you don't blindside major investors who have given you billions. They apparently told Microsoft minutes before the announcement and after the decision had already been made. Even if you fully intend to take this course of action, you loop in your major investors and consult them or at least give them a heads up to prepare any communications they might need to make or even just their press people are prepared for the inevitable questions.

They didn't do that, according to Micrsoft. That's why they need to be fired.

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5. croes+Z6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-19 00:14:39
>>jmyeet+K2
What if MS and Altman planned a coup to get rid of the non profit part?

And MS isn't an investor in the company of the board.

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