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1. johngl+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-08-15 17:56:01
I am fully aware of the issue.

That's one of the costs with having a public website.

replies(3): >>simonw+H8 >>dang+C9 >>DamonH+0H
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2. simonw+H8[view] [source] 2023-08-15 18:45:09
>>johngl+(OP)
The HN moderation policies are clearly effective, because the site is mostly full of useful information that attracts a wide audience of readers.

I really like this take on moderation:

"The essential truth of every social network is that the product is content moderation, and everyone hates the people who decide how content moderation works. Content moderation is what Twitter makes — it is the thing that defines the user experience."

From Nilay Patel in https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitt...

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3. dang+C9[view] [source] 2023-08-15 18:50:50
>>johngl+(OP)
I agree with you both. The only thing I'd add is that it's a tradeoff - if we do it this way, it's only because the alternative would be even more user-hostile.
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4. 93po+7p[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-15 20:06:20
>>dang+C9
Does HN ever show a user that their comment was submitted, but the comment is not visible for anyone else? Or it’s not visible for most people? Without having the flagged tag
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5. dredmo+gs[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-15 20:23:45
>>93po+7p
Indirectly: <>>37137757 >

I suppose a sufficiently motivated spammer might incorporate that as a submission workflow check.

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6. DamonH+0H[view] [source] 2023-08-15 21:57:48
>>johngl+(OP)
And that cost is so high that over the ~25Y+* that I have been running my own sites I have not had UGC on any of them, other then a very brief experiment, which showed me what utter relentless turds the bad actors can be.

Operators of public sites should NOT have to pay that tax. So you are best are not fully aware of the actual cost, IMHO.

Congrats to HN for striking a reasonable pragmatic balance.

*I had some of the first live (non-academic) Internet connectivity in the UK, and the very very first packets were hacking attempts...

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7. DamonH+DO[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-15 22:47:01
>>simonw+H8
We may not all be fans of Musk at the moment, but one of his observations about PayPal was that its job was not especially about payments because that bit was easy, it was about preventing fraud. And as the ex-director of a small payments system (e-money issuer), I agree. The bit which everyone outside the system doesn't realise is the hard bit is dealing with all the bad actors.
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