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1. insani+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-07-25 03:56:57
I can't see how Mozilla could possibly right the ship with their current CEO. If they get rid of her maybe things could improve. Until then, I'd bet on Microsoft/Apple before I bet on Mozilla when it comes to protecting the web.
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2. twelve+F1[view] [source] 2023-07-25 04:12:47
>>insani+(OP)
What has the CEO done?

Microsoft and Apple dont have a good history so assuming there is something big here?

replies(2): >>xxs+S8 >>insani+ns1
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3. xxs+S8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-25 05:18:38
>>twelve+F1
Effectively ensured Mozilla is entirely dependant on Google as a single revenue steam. No other initiatives to earn anything.
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4. Vinnl+ew[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-25 08:50:08
>>xxs+S8
Mozilla VPN, Firefox Relay Premium, Pocket Premium, MDN Plus, Hubs Enterprise... I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch.

Of course, there's also criticism for attempting those.

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5. insani+ns1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-25 14:59:36
>>twelve+F1
Some stuff:

1. Under her leadership Mozilla has lost virtually all of its users. It has been reduced to less than 10% of what it had before, maybe worse - I haven't kept up.

2. At the beginning of Covid, a time when remote work was on the rise and tech valuations were through the roof, a time when the browser was more important than ever, she took her largest payout and fired hundreds of employees. She was compensated at over $5M dollars, enough money to pay a team of engineers for years.

3. Firefox has utterly failed to capture Enterprise market, where Chrome has managed to dominate. I doubt most people are even aware that a corp managed Firefox is an option, they have done such a poor job marketing it.

4. Every initiative Mozilla has come out with has completely failed to gain traction. Something like a VPN could have been a great fit for Mozilla but they did nothing with it. Mozilla has been incapable, organizationally, of capitalizing on technology - the thing they're kinda supposed to do exclusively.

She has failed in every conceivable way as a CEO. She has failed in terms of the mission, she has failed her employees, she has failed her users, she has failed to be an example as a leader.

Mozilla, as it exists today, is a convenient project for Chrome to point to and say "look, there's competition" - perhaps the only reason why Google continues to fund Mozilla.

Microsoft and Apple are at least competently run and have incentives to push to reduce Chrome's power.

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6. hoover+PN1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-25 16:14:13
>>Vinnl+ew
Mozilla should be independent from Google. No, not like that!
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7. insani+YX1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-25 16:45:37
>>hoover+PN1
TBH it's a really good point. Any time Mozilla has tried to appeal to users in a way that would actually be profitable their users have lost their minds over it.
replies(1): >>xxs+vi4
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8. FireBe+Da2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-25 17:29:19
>>Vinnl+ew
Well, Pocket Premium got a lot of criticism for going completely against user sentiment, and the small matter of a lot of heavily lawyered weasel wording statements to very strongly imply that no money was exchanged when in fact quite a lot of money was exchanged to make it happen.
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9. xxs+vi4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-26 07:33:03
>>insani+YX1
The issue is that donating money to Mozilla does nothing for Firefox; Personally I use Firefox on everything (home, work, phone); Firefox is the browser for my family too - much the same (Firefox on everything, phones included).

If I could/had to pay/donate for it - I'd gladly do, but it's virtually impossible.

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10. Vinnl+yA5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-26 15:18:32
>>xxs+vi4
AFAIK income from particular Mozilla products isn't earmarked for spending on specifically those products, so buying non-Firefox products can provide income that can be used to fund Firefox development.

That said, I think income from Firefox's default search engine pretty much dwarfs any income that could potentially be gained from donations/buy-to-support.

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