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In this job market, it's hard. And many engineers are on H1B visas so it's even harder to jump ship.

>>buitre+(OP)
If they truly cannot get another job despite trying hard for 15 months then really they should be thanking Musk for giving them a steady paycheck when no one else in the industry will.

>>paxys+C
If I understand correctly, the U.S. doesn’t allow them to get another job without getting a new H-1B and there are dramatically more applicants than visas each year. They are unlikely to get a new one so their options are to either stay at Twitter or leave the U.S.

>>Wingy+11
You understand wrong. If you already have an H-1B visa then you don't need to enter the lottery again. You just need another job offer in a similar role, and can start working immediately.

>>paxys+61
Can you provide a source on this? It sounds like you know what you're talking about, but this is the internet and I'm not in a position to tell if you're mistaken or not.

>>window+D1
Just google H1B visa transfer. All of this is (or at least should be) pretty common knowledge in the tech world.

>>Wingy+11
You got it wrong. There is a process called H1B Transfer. Employers file for transfer to their company once they make an offer.

https://visaguide.world/us-visa/nonimmigrant/employment/h1b/...

>>window+D1
This is just an h1b transfer. No lottery needed. Not as easy as having a green card, but still an order of magnitude easier than doing the h1b lottery. https://www.upcounsel.com/h1b-visa-transfer#:~:text=Yes%2C%2....

>>paxys+61
What you said is true - a new lottery is not needed. However before offering a job to a H1B candidate the company should demonstrate that it advertised this job to the general public and no non H1B candidate (a US citizen or permanent resident) applied or was eligible. In the current job market, there are tons of citizens and permanent residents in the job market making it difficult if not impossible for a H1B holder to get a new job.

>>odux+l4
The original purpose of the H1B system was exactly for those rare individuals that have some X skill(s) that can't be met by the domestic job market. The implication being that practically zero entry to intermediate level jobs would have H1Bs filling them, even in SV.

Though the expected norm nowadays is for it to be a cheaper second-rate labour supply restricted by years long waiting lists and lotteries, and not a smooth pipeline of geniuses and super-geniuses interested in emigrating to the US,

>>Wingy+11
You could’ve googled about H-1B before commenting.

>>paxys+61
> You understand wrong. If you already have an H-1B visa then you don't need to enter the lottery again. You just need another job offer in a similar role, and can start working immediately.

The other employer still needs to be willing to sponsor you, and that's often not the case.

>>paxys+61
> don't need to enter the lottery again

Yes

> can start working immediately

Abso-lutely not. Check out Reddit to look for accounts of how the transfer works and see how easy it really is...

When you transfer, you need a lot of cooperation from the new firm as they have to be ok filing paperwork, they have to do it in a timely fashion, and due to processing delays on the order of weeks (if all goes well) you cannot start work immediately. For many, many employers, this puts you at a strong disadvantage against applicants who are all good to go and ready to show up for work on Monday.

>>paxys+C
> If they truly cannot get another job despite trying hard for 15 months then really they should be thanking Musk for giving them a steady paycheck when no one else in the industry will.

That's an asshole take.

Everything I've read is that Twitter is working its remaining engineers to the bone. Job searches can be extremely draining, and I can imagine many Twitter engineers don't have the energy remaining. Add to that mix visa and immigration issues, and I could totally see people getting trapped there.

>>tivert+yg
The "golden handcuffs", I know many people in this position and have been in it myself.

>>Michae+v6
What you said is correct from the policy/public perspective.

This thread is talking about, from employee's perspective, it is hard to jump ship.

>>tivert+yg
Devs should be thankful not to Musk but to previous management who sponsored them visas.

This is what I think happened:

- few companies are willing to go through paperwork to sponsor visas. Old Twitter was, Musk Twitter probably isn't

- Musk inherited a bunch of visa-sponsored devs from old Twitter, and they will have trouble finding a new h1b sponsor to transfer

- those are the devs that cannot negotiate better salaries or leave easily

Basically Musk's Twitter's lights are on thanks to those employees. And whether they are good or not doesn't matter, they can't leave either way, job market is hostile

>>buitre+(OP)
This is the strongest job market for job seekers in about 60 years.

>>jonono+aO
...if you flip burgers or change sheets in a hotel, sure. Maybe read about people finding engineering positions, understand that section of the job market and realize how out of touch you are.

>>j16sdi+5o
I wasn't writing it from any specific perspective?

The original ideal and present situation seems fairly clearly spelled out in an unbiased manner.

>>o1y32+2T
Agreed (assuming we’re talking about the US here). I’m not a rockstar dev but I have a lot of years of solid experience. I applied to 60+ programming jobs over the last four months without getting even a single technical interview. Every previous job search I’ve done over the last 20 years went much better so I don’t think it’s (mostly) me.

>>paxys+C
What a bootlicker you are