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1. Commit+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-06-28 16:18:58
Now this is the type of FUD I'd expect from my aunt.
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2. mindsl+U4[view] [source] 2023-06-28 16:38:45
>>Commit+(OP)
Don't write off what you're hearing from your aunt as "FUD". What she's saying is a poor technical understanding of the very real overarching dynamic.

I've tried many times to explain to people things like that GPS satellites do not track you, and there are things you can do with your own phone which drastically cut down on tracking. There's no interest, no understanding that I'm simultaneously sharing their concerns while trying to tell them that they aren't powerless. They just think surveillance is a foregone conclusion, and then distance themselves and rationalize it any number of ways, and then share their nutty mechanism-of-action condemnations as a way of advertising their political tribe.

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3. kelips+l8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 16:54:26
>>mindsl+U4
Tell me you have a way of proving that they're not listening to you all the time through your phone. I don't, the average person certainly doesn't. But it's certainly physically possible, not like I can prove these permissions controls do what they say in my phone, and every couples of months out comes some news about how you car was tracking you all these years.
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4. mindsl+qc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-28 17:12:08
>>kelips+l8
I can tell you that I have a pretty good idea that the application software and operating system on my phone isn't listening to me all the time. I have a pretty good idea that the permissions controls (capabilities) do what they say. This is because I run libre Graphene OS on my phone, rather than a proprietary Android.

(I cannot prove that the baseband chipset/software is betraying me by listening all the time. The point is you have to dig through most of the layers of avoidable surveillance to focus on the real technical flaws)

> every couples of months out comes some news about how you car was tracking you all these years.

Please try not to take this too personally, but this is the effect I'm talking about where it feels like all this complexity gets bundled into learned helplessness. Does your car have a cell modem? It so, "it is" tracking your location - meaning the cell provider(s) are obtaining your location, and most likely selling it to the surveillance industry, in addition to whatever your car manufacturer is doing. If you want to be assured that it's not, remove the cell modem or buy an older car without built in surveillance.

(I'm certainly not putting forth self-help options as a substitute for needed overarching privacy legislation like the EU's GDPR. They're both independent topics worthy of discussion)

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5. scrum-+cQc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-02 03:43:08
>>mindsl+U4
> "Don't write off what you're hearing from your aunt as "FUD". What she's saying is a poor technical understanding of the very real overarching dynamic."

I don't have poor technical understanding. I am pointing out one of the loopholes companies are using to exploit customers: "privacy agreements."

If you want an in-depth technical analysis of how big tech does spy on you, just ask. I can provide a few case studies using OSINT and "hypothetical" speak, so as not to break NDA.

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6. pandac+W5d[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-02 06:57:18
>>mindsl+U4
Do you find it weird/alarming that you assert a female assignment and a status of "poor technical understanding"? Where do you work? What is your role? Are you in a leadership position? Asking on behalf of everyone who does not want to work near your flagrant bias.
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7. mindsl+vVd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-02 15:15:05
>>scrum-+cQc
Sorry. I wasn't saying that your comment was based on poor technical understanding. I was making that judgement about GP's strawman of your comment.

I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say from the technical side, in case it contains any information that is new to me. Personally, I model things such that if a closed software/system has access to some information, it will backhaul, store, and abuse that information (if not immediately, then in the future). I'm not going to hang my hat on a hope that some companies aren't functioning as optimal surveillance machines!

FWIW I don't find privacy policies themselves particularly enlightening because they're generally vague, equivocating, and subject to change at whim. Sure technically if there weren't a "privacy policy" then you might theoretically have some legal right of action to go after a company for abusing your information (although good luck demonstrating real damages, as always). But at least in the US that feels completely hypothetical.

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8. throwp+mmh[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-03 16:39:07
>>pandac+W5d
Well, aunts are women.
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