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1. mattl+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-05-25 23:51:15
Interesting. When I used Iceweasel it was different enough to break sites.
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2. PrimeM+Y1[view] [source] 2023-05-26 00:06:00
>>mattl+(OP)
I'm guessing that was because Debian refused/wasn't able to sue the Firefox branding and they extended that to the user agent. So a ton of sites just saw Iceweasel as the UA and broke because it was unexpected.
replies(1): >>mattl+y2
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3. mattl+y2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-26 00:10:46
>>PrimeM+Y1
Yeah I’m surprised more forks don’t have this issue. Maybe they’re too small for Mozilla to care.
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4. lolind+hm[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-26 03:12:30
>>mattl+y2
LibreWolf isn't strictly a fork of Firefox, it's a preconfigured installation that locks things down and disables anti-features. So it's strictly accurate to use the Firefox user agent, because that's what actually gets compiled.
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5. PrimeM+Iq[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-26 03:51:49
>>mattl+y2
Wasn't the issue with the Iceweasel UA purely on Debian's end, them not like or agreeing to the Firefox terms? I don't think most forks would have that issue
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6. aragil+MR[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-26 07:53:59
>>PrimeM+Iq
No, it was a trademark issue, raised by Mozilla (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622) and seemingly resolved on their (Mozilla's) end (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006). For what it's worth, the recent Rust trademark issue seems to be of a similar vein (and the justifications around the Firefox sound like those used in Rust).
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7. aragil+SR[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-26 07:55:22
>>mattl+y2
Mozilla apparently fixed this (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006) so it sounds like forks don't have that issue now?
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8. PrimeM+F01[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-26 09:19:38
>>aragil+MR
Thanks for clarifying!
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9. accoun+OCc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-30 16:05:47
>>aragil+MR
Can you provide any evidence that the User Agent name was a trademark issue. As in the name exposed to websites. Because that is the only thing that matters here and also where everyone claims to be a variant of Mozilla for compatibility.
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