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1. RigelK+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-05-18 23:26:52
As someone who just got back from a two-week vacation in Italy, I couldn't agree more. We did sightseeing, groceries, ate out, and travelled extensively without using a car. Public transport and walking made everything easy. It's a failure of imagination in the U.S.
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2. bombca+xv[view] [source] 2023-05-19 04:22:32
>>RigelK+(OP)
Take a two-week vacation to New York, I'm sure you can do it without a car. Or San Diego, or Hawaii.

A vacation is not the same as living somewhere.

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3. davidw+dx[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-19 04:37:43
>>bombca+xv
Right. I actually lived in Italy for a number of years without a car, and then got one. I used it sometimes, but it's such a difference from "yeah, occasionally I want to go out somewhere tough to get to without a car, for a hike" and "I literally can't do anything without an automobile", as is the case in most of the US.
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