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How? Other than Gecko (Firefox), there is just Blink, which is owned and controlled by Google, and full of proprietary extensions that many here like to claim are standards. WebKit is sadly the last hope for an open web. Pushing for Chrome now is like pushing for IE/Trident in the naughties.

>>sbuk+(OP)
https://open-web-advocacy.org/walled-gardens-report/#the-chr...

>>sbuk+(OP)
Firefox had its chance to push back again the Chrome dominance. It survived against IE and became the dominant browser for a short time over IE but allowed Chrome to take over and eat its lunch.

Now Firefox is declining into irrelevance. The EU Digital Markets Act demands for Apple to open up to more browsers with just cement Chrome's dominance and make Firefox even more irrelevant.

>>sbuk+(OP)
There is no "Gecko" on Apple platforms because you keep defending monopolistic lockout. It's utterly bizarre to defend megacorporation by scaremongering with a browser that isn't allowed to exist.

>>izacus+Vp
If there is no "Gecko" on Apple platforms which engine does Firefox use on macOs?

>>izacus+Vp
Funny, the gecko base web browser on my mac must be my imagination.

>>rvz+fo
“Allowed” is an interesting way to describe being the target of hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising and heavy promotion on several of the most popular websites in the world.

>>izacus+Vp
The Firefox I've been running on my Mac for 15 years at this point must be a figment of my imagination.

Of course I would love to see Gecko running on iOS. I just don't like the possibility of Google's browser dominance become even stronger either. It's a hard one.

>>izacus+Vp
I use Firefox on macOS all day every day. It's definitely Gecko on an Apple platform. This monopoly you're talking about doesn't exist: it's two operating systems on two types of device.

I understand your frustration that you can't use the browser you want on the devices you want. That is annoying. However, *now* is the wrong time to go after Apple. Get more people using other browsers on other platforms first.

Wikipedia suggests this breakdown:

> As of November 2022, Android, an operating system using the Linux kernel, is the world's most-used operating system when judged by web use. It has 42% of the global market, followed by Windows with 30%, Apple iOS with 18%, macOS with 6%, then (desktop) Linux at 1.0% also using the Linux kernel.[1][2] These numbers do not include embedded devices or game consoles.

(from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste... )

Android and Windows make up 4x the number of iOS users on the web. When the % of Chrome users on those platforms goes down, and Firefox and others go up, to a level where any of them could temporarily steer the direction the HTML/W3C standards take, _that's_ the time to go after Apple. Until then, lean on the fence Apple are holding up for you (and getting Google to pay for).

>>acdha+im2
Yes. 'Allowed'. After Mozilla claiming they can live without Google's money and knowing that they could not 14 years later. [0] Then getting itself sabotaged by Google for years [1] to be overtaken as the browser with the largest market share.

With Firefox's declining usage and market share, they are essentially on life support with Google's money since they know they would be completely irrelevant without it.

It appears that [0] has not aged well at all.

[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20120105090543/https://www.compu...

[1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/former-mozilla-exec-google-has...

>>the_ot+mv3
Great post! The thing with people that "keep defending monopolistic lockout" as the GP put it, is they can see the bigger picture here.