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1. xlii+5h[view] [source] 2023-01-24 11:19:52
>>samwil+(OP)
I’m truly scared of Chrome.

It pushes proprietary features, from what I know it starts enforcing some analytics/ads without possibility to block it out and there are other thing too, but since I’m not really an user I don’t track them deeply.

Based on my personal experiences with IE, ActiveX, Adobe Flash and not being able to fill my taxes without Microsoft license (that was around 800$ back then for me not adjusted for inflation) I am afraid the same will happen with Chrome once it gets enough ground.

“Hey, sorry but we can’t sell you toothbrush because you’re using Safari/Firefox/Vivaldi/whatever. Please switch to Chrome and continue with your tracked and dissected purchase route.”

Is there any other anti-Chrome bastion than iOS’ Safari?

Old E2E runner installed Google Chrome on my machine (didn’t even ask but that’s user space on dev machine so whatever) which grew into my MacOS machine. It cannot run in background but there is another daemon that constantly updates it. Multiple times a day I get notification that new service has been installed to run in background.

I’m not sure if that’s something I want to fight for.

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2. samwil+ei[view] [source] 2023-01-24 11:30:46
>>xlii+5h
If Apple was forced to compete on iOS for the dominant position that Safari holds, it would receive greater investment, add support for vital missing PWA features and potentially as a result grow its desktop market. I believe competition in the long run would break Blinks dominant position, and be better for both consumers and developers.
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3. microt+Hk[view] [source] 2023-01-24 11:52:54
>>samwil+ei
If Apple was forced to compete

It is not a fair market since the maker of one of the browsers also owns a significant portion of the websites that people use daily. Now Google has to play nice with Safari to some extend, since the don't want to miss out on the lucrative iPhone market. Once Google can offer Chrome on iOS, they will destroy Safari with the same underhanded practices as they did to Firefox (a pattern of subtly breaking Firefox with Google products).

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4. samwil+fl[view] [source] 2023-01-24 11:56:46
>>microt+Hk
> Once Google can offer Chrome on iOS, they will destroy Safari with the same underhanded practices

I don't believe that would happen, firstly Apple would fight back, and secondly the competition authorities would take action against Google.

Google is under scrutiny for its behaviour too.

You can't fight or justify anti competitive behaviour with anti competitive behaviour back.

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5. philli+io[view] [source] 2023-01-24 12:19:20
>>samwil+fl
The moment iOS is forced to give browser freedom, chrome has won.

It will be a sad day for sure.

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6. mtomwe+pq[view] [source] 2023-01-24 12:35:51
>>philli+io
Already passed in the EU. Recommended in Japan, Australia and the UK.

Apple is not the company fighting for the web or browser diversity, they are the ones holding back.

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7. sbuk+fv[view] [source] 2023-01-24 13:11:03
>>mtomwe+pq
How? Other than Gecko (Firefox), there is just Blink, which is owned and controlled by Google, and full of proprietary extensions that many here like to claim are standards. WebKit is sadly the last hope for an open web. Pushing for Chrome now is like pushing for IE/Trident in the naughties.
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8. izacus+aV[view] [source] 2023-01-24 15:25:18
>>sbuk+fv
There is no "Gecko" on Apple platforms because you keep defending monopolistic lockout. It's utterly bizarre to defend megacorporation by scaremongering with a browser that isn't allowed to exist.
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9. the_ot+B04[view] [source] 2023-01-25 10:15:30
>>izacus+aV
I use Firefox on macOS all day every day. It's definitely Gecko on an Apple platform. This monopoly you're talking about doesn't exist: it's two operating systems on two types of device.

I understand your frustration that you can't use the browser you want on the devices you want. That is annoying. However, *now* is the wrong time to go after Apple. Get more people using other browsers on other platforms first.

Wikipedia suggests this breakdown:

> As of November 2022, Android, an operating system using the Linux kernel, is the world's most-used operating system when judged by web use. It has 42% of the global market, followed by Windows with 30%, Apple iOS with 18%, macOS with 6%, then (desktop) Linux at 1.0% also using the Linux kernel.[1][2] These numbers do not include embedded devices or game consoles.

(from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste... )

Android and Windows make up 4x the number of iOS users on the web. When the % of Chrome users on those platforms goes down, and Firefox and others go up, to a level where any of them could temporarily steer the direction the HTML/W3C standards take, _that's_ the time to go after Apple. Until then, lean on the fence Apple are holding up for you (and getting Google to pay for).

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10. sbuk+nV4[view] [source] 2023-01-25 16:15:50
>>the_ot+B04
Great post! The thing with people that "keep defending monopolistic lockout" as the GP put it, is they can see the bigger picture here.
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