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The UK is wasting a lot of wind power

submitted by RobinL+(OP) on 2023-01-12 19:08:36 | 441 points 390 comments
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23. RobinL+Wb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 20:05:35
>>nategu+e8
It's quite complicated, but there's a good explanation here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33922390

(I recently asked the same question!)

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29. teruak+wc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 20:08:38
>>pleb_n+L8
The reason that all or almost all of the power you use is renewable. Adding more renewable generation in the South Island won't help the coal generation in the North Island.

Right now, investment in infrastructure needs to be made to move power from Manapōuri to the North Island.

As to why we are not replacing the 1.8m tons of coal we import from as far away as Indonesia with wind or solar in the North Island? I don't know.

Edit: If you take a look here, as of an hour ago we are generating 90+% renewable, but with 192mw of coal generation. Wind is generating at a fraction of capacity and this probably accounts for the coal.

There is hydro capacity but that might be from dams far south.

https://www.transpower.co.nz/system-operator/live-system-and...

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32. balder+Jc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 20:09:33
>>nategu+e8
No, first understand the concept of market clearing auctions[1], then understand that the there is a dispatch stack (that looks like something like this [2]), and that gas plants are the marginal producer required to balance the market, as they are not baseload (nukes) and not intermittent (renewables) but are dispatchable (ramp up/down capacity as need to balance the market).

[1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_clearing [2]https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1105055/000110465912...

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36. adolph+cd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 20:12:16
>>mattco+fa
> We could just always be overproducing

Depends on what you mean by overproducing. The energy put into an electrical grid must be balanced by demand or bad things will happen. I think the second answer in the below StackExchange is a good description.

https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/117437/what-...

43. ed2551+6f[view] [source] 2023-01-12 20:20:26
>>RobinL+(OP)
California is facing a similar issue dealing with its solar duck curve[1], where prices essentially go negative during periods of peak solar generation.

As far as I know residential PG&E customers can't buy energy in spot market prices, or else there could be some innovative arbitrage opportunities, like only running bitcoin miners when power is cheap.

1. https://www.energy.gov/eere/articles/confronting-duck-curve-...

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54. ta545+3h[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 20:31:07
>>teruak+wc
It looks like there's just one HVDC interaliand link capable of sending 1.2GW, and dating back to 1964.

Why not install 7 more? That would allow the entire current demand for the entire of NZ to come from the south island.

10M USD per km, average 800km from centre of south island to Auckland, $8b in total. 43,000 GWh generation per years, that's just 2.5c per kWh over 10 years on your bill.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Indicative-capital-cost-...

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57. Manuel+Bh[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 20:34:00
>>pleb_n+L8
NZ already generates most of electricity from hydropower and geothermal, so wind isn't really necessary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_New_Zeal...
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59. jonatr+Mh[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 20:34:40
>>InCity+gg
I'm in London, electric prices last night: https://nitter.nl/pic/orig/media%2FFmNAukVXgAEF6Ar.jpg
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69. briffl+vi[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 20:38:39
>>ErikVa+Ff
you should see how much per MW/h it costs for power from a "Peaker" power plant.

Looks like $150-$198/MWh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaking_power_plant

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76. alkjsd+kj[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 20:44:36
>>jthirk+Xa
They seem to be re-nationalising the railways: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_British_Railways

Maybe not: "The Transport Secretary announced on 19 October 2022 that the Transport Bill which would have set up GBR would not go ahead in the current parliamentary session."

83. kerbla+Bk[view] [source] 2023-01-12 20:52:04
>>RobinL+(OP)
I'll pose the argument that if Texas can, the UK can: https://www.texastribune.org/2013/10/14/7-billion-crez-proje...

And yeah that was a long time ago

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90. RobinL+Tl[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 20:58:16
>>ta545+2i
See here! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33922390
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93. kokane+in[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 21:05:15
>>epista+Di
Technically it depends on the levelized cost of hydrogen, which encompasses capex, opex, and a slew of other relevant inputs. Similar "levelized cost" formulas are used throughout the utility sector to make these kinds of decisions; what makes green hydrogen unique is simply that it is undergoing a spike in research and development right now that is drastically changing some of the inputs to the LCOH equation.

https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy09osti/46267.pdf

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95. PaulHo+pn[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 21:06:17
>>redlea+ud
Nuclear power plants can vary their output faster than most people think, see

https://www.oecd-nea.org/upload/docs/application/pdf/2021-12...

   ... most of the modern light water nuclear reactors are capable (by design) 
   to operate in a load following mode, i.e. to change their power level once 
   or twice per day in the range of 100% to 50% (or even lower) of the rated   
   power, with a ramp rate of up to 5% (or even more) of rated power per minute.
One trouble is that changing the power output does put stress on components because of thermal expansion and contraction, potentially shortening their lifespan, but it something that can be designed for.
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97. oliver+Cn[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 21:07:24
>>ta545+ti
Agree, but there have been some very expensive local authority disasters around solar.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/the-chauffeur-the-leaked-tape-an...

Publicly owned old technology is very different to attempts to publicly develop next generation power, which tends to require brave entrepreneurs historically.

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103. jonatr+jp[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 21:17:30
>>Kaiser+qo
Octopus energy, on the agile octopus tariff: https://octopus.energy/agile/
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104. _visge+kp[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 21:17:45
>>redlea+ud
> Others are predictable, but take a long time to start and stop - gas, coal(several hours), nuclear(1 day to start, fast to stop, but very expensive).

The start time is long but that does not say much about the overall operations.

> Modern nuclear plants with light water reactors are designed to have maneuvering capabilities in the 30-100% range with 5%/minute slope, up to 140 MW/minute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load-following_power_plant

and https://thundersaidenergy.com/downloads/power-plants-cold-st...

> In France, with an average of 2 reactors out of 3 available for load variations, the overall power adjustment capacity of the nuclear fleet equates to 21,000 MW (i.e. equivalent to the output of 21 reactors) in less than 30 minutes.

https://www.powermag.com/flexible-operation-of-nuclear-power...

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112. grey-a+Ar[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 21:29:50
>>dclowd+Vg
This is an interesting study in that topic, I would have thought the answer is no to your question, but possibly a very large wind farm could change wind velocity/temp and thus have a knock on effect.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0406930101

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113. Kaiser+Dr[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 21:30:00
>>archyd+ar
I have the luxury of a 13khw battery, so it might make sense. But I suspect that when I need to use the grid will be uber peak £1.04 per kwhr.

Edit: for those who are curious, here is some data on prices over the last month: https://agileprices.co.uk/

119. nfcamp+Dt[view] [source] 2023-01-12 21:40:28
>>RobinL+(OP)
This reminded me of https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/09/mining-for-cryptocurr...

(I know this isn’t storage, jk)

121. stuaxo+Pt[view] [source] 2023-01-12 21:41:37
>>RobinL+(OP)
Our system favours England over scotland, with the national grid charging Scotland much more to move energy around.

With all the electricity generated there it should be cheaper - this could incentivise accelerating the electrification of trains in Scotland, currently only 25% of the network.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_electrification_in_Sco...

123. bjourn+9u[view] [source] 2023-01-12 21:43:41
>>RobinL+(OP)
The North Sea Link is 720 km long and costed only £1.6 billion and took only three years to lay: https://www.4coffshore.com/news/north-sea-link-starts-operat... So a new 440 km long cable for £3.4 billion done in 2029 seem like a crummy deal.
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124. parano+Gu[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 21:45:33
>>redlea+ud
> Others are plentiful, but unpredictable - wind.

I think it depends on how you define unpredictable.

Wind power forecasting[1] is used pretty extensively as I understand it by all major windfarms.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_forecasting#Uncerta... [2] https://www.cerc.co.uk/forecasting/wind-energy.html [3] https://aemo.com.au/en/energy-systems/electricity/national-e...

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131. ZeroGr+mx[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 22:00:33
>>stdbro+Rt
The article leaves an impression that curtailment is a problem that is costing us money. See most other comments here as evidence of that.

I'm explicitly calling for more curtailment, because it isn't a problem and doesn't need to be solved.

Burning fossil fuels is a problem to be solved. High electricity prices are a problem to be solved.

Both of those problems can be solved by building more wind power, which almost inevitably increases the amount of wind curtailed.

To repeat, curtailment is not a problem and does not need to be solved. It's a normal part of running a renewable grid. Any low cost renewable plan will have some predicted degree of curtailment, because it's the cheapest way to meet our energy needs.

See:

"Reframing Curtailment: Why Too Much of a Good Thing Is Still a Good Thing"

https://www.nrel.gov/news/program/2022/reframing-curtailment...

> Video Explains How Having More than Enough Renewable Energy Capacity Can Make the Grid More Flexible

139. neilwi+6A[view] [source] 2023-01-12 22:17:15
>>RobinL+(OP)
Sounds like a job for the Terraform Industries product from a few days ago

https://terraformindustries.wordpress.com/2023/01/09/terrafo...

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140. timero+pA[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 22:18:39
>>TylerE+mk
Even in the parts of the US that are unified grids, a kWh is not a kWh. Where you live determines how expensive your electricity is. Compare Cambridge, MA https://electricityrates.com/compare/electricity/02139/ with Philadelphia, PA https://electricityrates.com/compare/electricity/19101/. About twice as expensive in MA.
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141. tupac_+xA[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 22:19:05
>>mikael+zk
https://gridwatch.co.uk/demand/percent

It's been very windy recently so we are hitting around 40-60% wind power at the moment but there were moments last year where we were only getting 3% from wind power if it isn't very windy and unfortunately that means using more gas turbines for power which is an expensive source of energy at the moment.

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152. fmajid+uD[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 22:37:07
>>entrop+pB
There's this incredible project to build a 10GW solar farm in Morocco (1/3 of UK peak consumption) and bring the power to the UK via HVDC cable. Amazingly they estimate only 10% losses despite being over 3800km long:

https://xlinks.co/morocco-uk-power-project/

Surely HVDC links between Scotland and England could be built?

And then there are pumped hydropower storage project like this one with a proposed storage capacity of 200 GWh and 1.5GW of power:

https://www.coireglas.com

In the worst case, couldn't the excess power simply be used in electrolyzers to generate hydrogen? They may not be very efficient but it's better than throwing free energy away.

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159. Symbio+pE[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 22:43:09
>>fencep+0k
At least this shows different prices in different regions, but I'm not sure why. The article contradicts it.

https://www.edfenergy.com/sites/default/files/r505_deemed_ra...

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180. derriz+HJ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 23:16:14
>>PaulHo+pn
Varying output from a nuclear plant is mostly achieved by simply releasing the generated steam into the atmosphere instead of sending it through the turbine[1].

But operating a nuclear plant in this fashion pushes up the price per MWh considerably given their very high cap-ex and op-ex. And while fuel cost is negligible for nuclear, creating more nuclear waste per useful MWh generated is a further drag on costs.

So as a solution, it "works" if the nuclear plant does not have to compete in terms of price with other sources of electricity. But nuclear fails to compete on cost even if operated continuously - it's uncompetitive with cheap, quick to deploy, low op-ex, modern tech like CC gas turbines or renewables in most western electricity markets and can only survive with government subsidy[2].

[1] https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML0703/ML070380209.pdf [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/04/19/biden-adm...

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186. Reason+tL[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 23:27:53
>>fmajid+uD
> "Surely HVDC links between Scotland and England could be built?"

Absolutely. One HVDC link between Scotland and England (actually, Wales) has already been built:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_HVDC_Link

And more are planned:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_HVDC

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195. Reason+rP[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 23:47:55
>>Scound+lE
> "But the retail buyer doesn't usually see the negative/low electricity prices"

There are electricity suppliers in the UK who offer prices linked to the wholesale price, including actually paying you to use electricity if the price goes negative. Quite useful for flexible loads such as EV charging!

https://twitter.com/DanielColquitt/status/139539635553586790...

199. brilee+KQ[view] [source] 2023-01-12 23:56:31
>>RobinL+(OP)
6% curtailment seems pretty trivial in the grand scheme of things. Around 20-25% curtailment, it becomes economical to run those hydrogen electrolyzers part-time, even with the capital expenditures required. I wouldn't use that hydrogen gas to regenerate electricity, though - there are many industries that can directly consume that hydrogen gas and avoid the lossy round-trip from electricity->hydrogen->electricity.

I explore this idea further in this blog post: https://www.moderndescartes.com/essays/factobattery/

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201. tuator+3R[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-12 23:59:02
>>bjourn+9u
Yeah. The cost objection seems like learned helplessness.

A government interested in raising national productivity would underwrite the necessary cables and expedite their installation. However, that's apparently not the UK government since 2008.

1. "Productivity and potential 2003-2012: the UK decade that decayed", 2013: https://www.primeeconomics.org/articles/productivity-and-pot...

2. "UK productivity continues lost decade", 2019: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47826195

3. "The UK is facing two lost decades on living standards", 2022: https://www.ft.com/content/7968048a-3f7f-4cb0-8fa1-e10aff14b...

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215. pstrat+SW[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-13 00:39:24
>>Reason+Cv
It's easy to reduce gas usage if you simply don't provide power arbitrarily.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/national-gri...

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216. throwa+pX[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-13 00:44:42
>>entrop+pB
"Under construction now."

Wiki says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia-Asia_Power_Link

    projected to begin construction in mid-2023
And:

    In January 2023, Sun Cable went into administration, the equivalent of Chapter 11 Bankruptcy.
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226. NamTaf+L41[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-13 01:45:40
>>entrop+pB
To be clear, Sun Cable entered administration this week. I wouldn’t hold your breath.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-11/sun-cable-enters-admi...

227. caf+f51[view] [source] 2023-01-13 01:49:24
>>RobinL+(OP)
This report on congestion in the Australian NEM is pretty good reading on the concept of electricity network congestion and some of the market mechanisms that have been used to account for it, and some of the ways in which they can result in non-optimal outcomes. It's quite approachable:

https://www.aemc.gov.au/sites/default/files/content/42a1dfd9...

228. cjdell+x51[view] [source] 2023-01-13 01:51:18
>>RobinL+(OP)
Wind in the UK has been doing really well recently and the grid has never been greener:

https://grid.iamkate.com/

Curtailment is still rare though, but if we really run into the issue of frequently having too much electricity then surely investing in synthetic fuel production will be economical, right? I mean we'll have to do it anyway sooner or later. There will always be a need to burn stuff and fossil fuels will run out.

Also don't forget that with increasingly more EVs on the road and vehicle-to-grid technology (which should be mandatory in my opinion) we are increasing our ability to time shift our energy usage to better take advantage of the volatility of renewables.

I personally don't think we can ever have too much electricity.

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230. robryk+261[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-13 01:55:35
>>derriz+HJ
Your reference for [1] just states that bypassing the turbine is a thing, not that it's normally used.

First, reactors are in a stable equilibrium when operating, so one will actually increase their power by increasing the rate at which heat is removed (and v.v.). Alas, that's workable only within some small range.

A reason[1] load-following with PWRs was originally difficult is that traditionally PWRs use boron concentration in primary loop to regulate power and that can be decreased only slowly. The reason it's done that way is that it's the easiest way to ensure that power is adjusted uniformly throughout the core; if instead some control rods were partially inserted, the top part of the core would operate at lower power (and thus lower fuel burn-up) than the bottom part, which would cause compounding control issues later on.

France is using their PWRs in load-following mode by (a) having additional less absorptive control rods ("gray rods") that can be inserted fully to adjust power by smaller increments (b) more complicated schemes to decide which combination of available actuations to use to change power. See https://hal.science/hal-01496376/document for a paper that tries to optimize control designs so that power changes are more possible (and describes how the control schemes work).

Note that the total heat capacity of even just the primary loop in usual reactors is quite large: in PWRs it usually requires ~0.5s of full power output of the reactor to warm it by 1degC, so this can easily cover, say, ~5% variations for something like a minute.

[1] Another is that reactors are not stateless due to xenon poisoning.

238. TedShi+u91[view] [source] 2023-01-13 02:28:10
>>RobinL+(OP)
Relevant book written by Sir David MacKay (Cambridge/Caltech professor) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_J._C._MacKay

https://www.withouthotair.com/

256. bergen+9p1[view] [source] 2023-01-13 05:13:34
>>RobinL+(OP)
if, like me, you’re wondering why curtailment is even necessary, read here: https://news.warrington.ufl.edu/faculty-and-research/what-is...
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269. smcl+PC1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-13 07:53:47
>>midasu+VH
I don't have a strong opinion personally about the franchise system as I don't use any UK rail. My gut tells me they're not adding any value and they might as well be nationalised but someone whose opinion I trust (rail engineer and YouTuber Gareth Dennis[0]) has said that ditching them and nationalising it entirely wouldn't really fix what people think it would. However it has to be said that TPE and AWC have stood out as particularly dismal services - AWC were found to be fucking around with their already disappointing stats around cancelled services, for example. Hence my comment about users of those services - I would completely understand if they would want an overhaul if not outright nationalisation.

[0] - interestingly his "RailNatter" this Wednesday was titled "How to fix Britain's broken railways". I haven't watched it yet, but it will certainly feature some good insight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmKhVjw1xDA

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282. adrian+QF1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-13 08:22:49
>>perilu+pt1
Industrial electrolyzers are usually https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer_electrolyte_membrane_e... which is a bit more complicated. But you also need to consider storing the hydrogen and turning it back into electricity.
284. eftych+3G1[view] [source] 2023-01-13 08:25:29
>>RobinL+(OP)
To the commenters saying that wind farms should move South or blaming wind farms or other energy producers. (My opinion and knowledge follows.)

That is the whole idea of a robust and efficient transmission network: to transfer power from where it is cheaply generated across even countries; and mitigate any power production or transmission network failures.

Say there is bad weather/physical catastrophe/heat wave in X area? No problem, we produce it in Y and deliver via Z. Pricier to produce in Y on time t, no problem produce in cheaper X and send to Y.

My read: Somehow U.K. managed to cheapskate on that front and we are now surprised it is more costly when extremely cheap gas is a thing of the past.

I am simply surprised that Scotland and England are not extra tightly interconnected. We can't really afford wasting or curtailing energy in Europe. Ideally U.K. should have been exporting that extra power.

P.S. It seems to me that U.K. has a quite fragmented transmission network "by design." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_network_operator#... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Power_Networks I think that is a terrible idea. P.S.2 To the U.S. readers: they pulled a "Texas."

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290. jhugo+AL1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-13 09:22:28
>>defros+mb1
https://www.straitstimes.com/business/aussie-billionaire-urg...
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300. mschus+nP1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-13 09:58:44
>>Scound+qD
The current HVDC record is China, they run an almost 3300km line [1], but it's capable of only 12 GW transmission power.

It really doesn't make much sense to connect Europe and North America.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high-voltage_electricity...

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311. ZeroGr+0R1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-13 10:16:33
>>pjc50+oO1
The discount for local wind already exists, currently available in Yorkshire and Wales:

https://www.octopusenergygeneration.com/fan-club/

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321. aemble+eS1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-13 10:28:14
>>pornel+Hp
Get Octopus Agile [1] and you can query their REST API [2] to find the energy prices. Then you could control your fridge via a smart switch.

1. https://octopus.energy/agile/

2. https://developer.octopus.energy/docs/api/

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322. stdbro+tS1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-13 10:31:29
>>ZeroGr+8O1
Fair enough, my apologies, I did skim the video and read the page but didn't watch the video in full so I missed that part.

I still feel like you're failing to engage with the issue here:

* NREL, just like the UK grid operator, is worried about curtailment and is taking active steps to limit it, the only difference is that while some uninformed schmucks think that any curtailment is bad, grid operators think a little curtailment is to be expected and they just want to keep it within bounds with an awareness of the opportunity costs that you mention -- sometimes it may be cheaper to just build new capacity and not worry about it at all, sometimes not. See for example this 2014 report: https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy14osti/60983.pdf They're saying: "relax, a little curtailment is nothing to worry about, let us do the worrying", they're not saying it's a non-issue. If it's not an issue, why are new interconnections being built at all? Why is locational pricing being considered at all?

* unless renewables are already 100% of the energy mix at a given point in time then any kind of curtailment has to logically be due to either congestion or some other technical limitation (a hiccup in planning/projection or inflexibility of other generators) and strictly speaking cannot be due to overproduction; that said, the original article describes a situation where transmission capacity is not just insufficient for peak production (even if it could have been used) but may slowly get to the point where it's insufficient for average production... both are technically "congestion" but do you really not see the difference?

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324. ZeroGr+KT1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-13 10:42:38
>>dmurra+7O1
The Drax report they link to (which has some nice photos of the Star Wars set from the recent Andor series) suggests when you net off the avoided support payments, that you save between 1/3 and 2/3 thirds of the cost when you curtail wind, rather than pay twice for it:

https://www.drax.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Drax-LCP-Ren...

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330. adrian+HU1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-13 10:52:05
>>dTal+ea1
What impossible amounts? You can play around with a small model here: https://model.energy/ It's simplified of course, but the estimates should be in the right ballpark.
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331. kwhite+SU1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-13 10:53:34
>>gehsty+Gx
The North Sea Link between Norway and the UK is already up and running and has a capacity of 1.4 GW. It is currently (10:53 UTC) supplying 3% of the UK load.

See https://gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

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357. pydry+362[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-13 12:31:51
>>dTal+WX1
https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2022/01/21/six-terawatt-hours-of...

6.5 Fengnings or equivalent should be enough for a 94% renewable grid in the UK.

It is well within the same order of magnitude.

>the first time the lights went out because the weather was bad you'd have people clamoring to build nuclear power plants

because why build a solar or wind farm this year when you can instead wait 20 years for hinkley c to be finished at FIVE times the LCOE cost?

it's absurd. the people dont clamor for nuclear power. only the military industrial complex does.

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379. toomuc+At6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-14 20:10:01
>>_visge+kp
The variability of France’s nuclear fleet is harder on the generator (valves and structures susceptible to thermal stresses in particular), and a possible contributor to their inability to keep their fleet in good repair.

Arguably, if cost effective, nuclear is best run at full output as consistently as possible, with other systems buffering that supply with demand (hydro storage, batteries, demand response, etc).

https://www.laka.org/nieuws/2022/so-how-flexible-is-nuclear-...

https://www.ianfairlie.org/news/french-report-nuclear-power-...

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382. davedx+ON8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-15 19:54:42
>>vardum+Xc
For sure. This will be very cool. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia-Asia_Power_Link

Edit: would have been. Looks like they lost funding. :(

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383. davedx+8O8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-15 19:56:39
>>dan-ro+yR
The details of how battery storage systems currently work is pretty interesting. Modo Energy has a lot of great blog articles about it. Start here: https://platform.modo.energy/phase/article/3393/benchmarking...
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385. Quinde+URk[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-19 11:03:23
>>youngt+Rfc
Burning the planet? I assume you mean CO2 emissions.

Bitcoin has one of the highest % of renewables of any industry i.e. solar, wind, hydro etc.

As an absolute value the amount of energy it consumes is less than 0.1% of global energy consumption.

Those two things taken together mean that Bitcoin contributes what amounts to a rounding error in total global CO2 emissions.

And that's not even mentioning its GHG emissions reducing effects on the capture of methane, which could turn it CO2eq negative emissions.

On top of that it has an important role to play in balancing grids by consuming excess energy that the market doesn't want or need, or can't be stored.

And the utility of Bitcoin? Well, some people see value in a form of money that can't be arbitrarily debased, is open to all on a global and neutral network that can't be changed or controlled by any central or corrupt authority, and that is censorship resistant.

You might not see value in that, but many people do.

Maybe you see more value in Christmas lights which consumes more energy than Bitcoin.

https://twitter.com/gladstein/status/1512493813218123786?s=2...

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/check-your-financial-pri...

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