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1. akisel+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-12-16 06:45:30
Look at the registered owner: FALCON LANDING LLC located at 1 ROCKET RD, HAWTHORNE, CA (Guess what other business is at 1 Rocket Rd on Google Maps)

It wouldn't take much word association to connect the two without human involvement. It doesn't matter to the purpose of this discussion though, since Google has created this association it's available to everyone.

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2. nearbu+C4[view] [source] 2022-12-16 07:17:27
>>akisel+(OP)
If you're talking about tracking his jet today, then you don't even have to work that hard (or even know what the FAA is). Just googling "Musk jet number" or "Musk jet tracker" will find his jet. This information is plastered all over the internet. That's not going away.

But it's all over the net because someone, possibly @elonjet, originally figured out it was his jet and posted it online. That made it easier for people to find his jet, and that is a security concern for Musk. I'm not saying this information was originally super hard to uncover for someone who knew what to do. I'm saying there is some increased security risk now that this information is easily accessible.

I think most of us would be uncomfortable with being tracked live in his situation.

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3. mullin+2a[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 08:00:11
>>nearbu+C4
It's not a security concern.

If this was actually a security threat, the man could take chartered flights anonymously forever with a rounding error's worth of his money. Opsec is clearly not important to him.

It's the Elon show. He needs the attention and doesn't care if it's positive or negative.

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4. chroma+1h[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 09:06:26
>>mullin+2a
The problem is that because he owns a jet, any passenger on it is at risk. That’s why his son was accosted by a crazy stalker.

I find it absurd how many people are against automated license plate readers (even privately owned ones) but simultaneously welcome the complete lack of privacy for aircraft. If someone replied, “Just use a taxi/Uber/Lyft.” in response to ALPRs they’d be downvoted into obscurity, and rightly so. But change the transport mechanism and suddenly it’s fair. The hypocrisy could not be more obvious.

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5. jjav+Qi[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 09:24:14
>>nearbu+C4
> that is a security concern for Musk

It's very clearly not. Even if the Internet didn't exist, the data is there over the airwaves ready to be picked up by anyone with the slightest interest to listen.

Also notice how this applies to everyone, every airplane. Every celebrity, every politician, even every little private plane, even the president. Those are the rules. Elon isn't special and doesn't get special treatment.

> I think most of us would be uncomfortable

Uncomfortable, perhaps yes. But that's the price of being a celebrity. Paparazzi and all that. When you're unimaginably rich and famous, people track you. Happens to every famous musician, actor, etc. That's the deal. Elon doesn't get to be special.

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6. mullin+cl[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 09:49:46
>>chroma+1h
It's not a real problem for Elon. He's not posting about any serious concerns for his safety. He's posting "I love Barbara Streisand lol" and "Twitter right now is (four fire emoji)"

He created this 'problem' out of nothing. It's an act. If he feared for his family's safety there are ways to tackle the problem that aren't purely performative.

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7. smiley+FY[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 14:54:23
>>chroma+1h
You're on to something with automated license plate readers. They exist, as do apps that take pictures and videos and aggregate the license plate numbers.

Credit card transactions also aren't protected from marketing tracking activities, neither are Twitter or Facebook ads, neither is what my isp can discover from my dns requests, cell phone providers can sell my location metadata, and the credit bureaus are ordinary businesses with huge data leaks.

This is public information, police can operate on it without a warrant, and whether we're driving, flying a private jet, walking in a town square, or purchasing a coffee, or browse the internet - other private entities can too.

LifeLock and identity theft protection are sold to everybody, tax forms allow anybody to try to use someone else's number - the government refuses to do anything, and companies have minimum privacy + security requirements.

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8. _djo_+g31[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 15:15:37
>>nearbu+C4
Musk (or one of his associates, I forget which) has in the past posted pictures online of him walking to and from his aircraft with the registration clearly visible. It's not something he even tried to hide.

It's almost never difficult to find out what private jets companies and celebrities own in any case, except when obfuscated behind multiple layers of shell companies and with strict opsec, neither of which Musk practiced.

Every aircraft is tracked and trackable this way, only Musk is turning it into a big deal using outrageous claims about safety. Get real.

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9. PM_me_+iR1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 18:57:58
>>jjav+Qi
It very clearly is. By watching ADSB data, I can build a picture of your travel patterns. I will be able to determine where you go, when, and could lay an ambush for you once I've found a pattern.

Same thing if I put a tracking device on your personal conveyance.

AF1 routinely turns off their ADSB transponder, as do military aircraft. They generally do not when operating in high traffic areas, but will if they are over commercial airspace and want to mask their position.

While this data's purpose is primarily for safety and to make ATC job easier, it was never intended to used as a public tracking system.

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10. chroma+eA2[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 22:19:25
>>mullin+cl
Did you miss the tweet where he talked about a crazy stalker jumping on the hood of a car that Elon's son was in?[1] Or the fact that the FAA gives Elon's jet a PIA, but Jack Sweeney brags about being able to get around that privacy protection?[2]

What would it take to change your mind about this? There have already been close calls. Would someone actually have to harm Musk or his family? And you didn't address my ALPR analogy at all. Why does it matter whether the mode of transportation is a car or a plane?

1. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

2. https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1603857524574531584

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11. mullin+M95[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-17 19:26:11
>>chroma+eA2
I did not miss that tweet, nor did I miss this one[1] that seems to geolocate that video the video and found it nowhere near an airport. In addition, that incident was on December 13th. Elonjet posted his plane landed in LA in December 12th[2], a full day before that went down. Not seeing any evidence at all that this was connected to what ElonJet posted.

There's also no context in that video, it's just a clip of a person in a car. I do not take Elon's word for anything, he's demonstrated over and over and over that he will act in bad faith. The one party he probably would/should not lie to, the police, doesn't seem to have any report from him about this event.

[1] https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1603454821700452365

[2] https://www.facebook.com/ElonJet/posts/pfbid02Ldh5x93kQe6E6E...

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