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1. barbar+Ae[view] [source] 2022-12-16 03:00:08
>>prawn+(OP)
> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply.

> It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old.

It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it could be

Let’s try to make a comment that creates less outrage than most…

This is why it would be interesting to post public information about politicians collected from the online spyware that tracks all of us. It would rapidly motivate new laws that at least somewhat improve privacy.

This always happens when rule makers are personally affected by a problem: the problem starts getting attention

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2. emoden+Ly[view] [source] 2022-12-16 05:02:38
>>barbar+Ae
> It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it could be

I don't think it seems like a good rule. Not only is the information public but I think it is not hard to dream up reasons why it would legitimately be in the public interest to report on the comings and goings of someone's private jet.

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3. nearbu+5D[view] [source] 2022-12-16 05:30:54
>>emoden+Ly
Public or not, it is a security concern, especially for a celebrity/politicized figure/widely hated person.

I wouldn't want my live location posted on the internet either, and there's a lot fewer people who want to hurt me than Musk (AFAIK, no one wants to hurt me).

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4. emoden+MD[view] [source] 2022-12-16 05:36:43
>>nearbu+5D
I don't find it credible that someone is committed enough to doing you harm that they're willing to rot in prison for the rest of their lives but not quite committed enough to look up the public data themselves instead of finding it conveniently collated for them.
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5. nearbu+qG[view] [source] 2022-12-16 06:01:46
>>emoden+MD
I'd like to think I'm smarter than the average nutcase who tries to assassinate a celebrity, and I would not have known how to get that information before people started posting it online. I wouldn't have even known it was possible.

All you get from the flight tracking websites is flights with serial numbers. There's no obvious way to know which one belongs to Musk. His jet isn't registered under his name. People had to do some sleuthing.

Edit: I think you're also implying that people who have attempted to assassinate or assassinated someone are a) rational, and b) believe they'll be caught. But often neither of those are true.

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6. akisel+9K[view] [source] 2022-12-16 06:30:19
>>nearbu+qG
> People had to do some sleuthing.

The entirety of my sleuthing: google "site:faa.gov elon musk registration"

That gave me the tail number and ICAO code in the first result. I had no idea what I was even looking for, just that I probably needed "site:faa.gov" - it worked on the first try.

I'm working on my pilot's license so maybe I'm an outlier. I even knew that the FAA was in charge of aviation! :-)

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7. nearbu+5M[view] [source] 2022-12-16 06:42:30
>>akisel+9K
I'm not sure how Google has associated that page to Musk, but notice that Musk's name is nowhere on that page. I suspect Google is able to associate that record to Musk because of the sleuthing people have done. Likely there are links to that page that identify it as Musk's jet.
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8. akisel+yM[view] [source] 2022-12-16 06:45:30
>>nearbu+5M
Look at the registered owner: FALCON LANDING LLC located at 1 ROCKET RD, HAWTHORNE, CA (Guess what other business is at 1 Rocket Rd on Google Maps)

It wouldn't take much word association to connect the two without human involvement. It doesn't matter to the purpose of this discussion though, since Google has created this association it's available to everyone.

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9. nearbu+aR[view] [source] 2022-12-16 07:17:27
>>akisel+yM
If you're talking about tracking his jet today, then you don't even have to work that hard (or even know what the FAA is). Just googling "Musk jet number" or "Musk jet tracker" will find his jet. This information is plastered all over the internet. That's not going away.

But it's all over the net because someone, possibly @elonjet, originally figured out it was his jet and posted it online. That made it easier for people to find his jet, and that is a security concern for Musk. I'm not saying this information was originally super hard to uncover for someone who knew what to do. I'm saying there is some increased security risk now that this information is easily accessible.

I think most of us would be uncomfortable with being tracked live in his situation.

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10. mullin+AW[view] [source] 2022-12-16 08:00:11
>>nearbu+aR
It's not a security concern.

If this was actually a security threat, the man could take chartered flights anonymously forever with a rounding error's worth of his money. Opsec is clearly not important to him.

It's the Elon show. He needs the attention and doesn't care if it's positive or negative.

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11. chroma+z31[view] [source] 2022-12-16 09:06:26
>>mullin+AW
The problem is that because he owns a jet, any passenger on it is at risk. That’s why his son was accosted by a crazy stalker.

I find it absurd how many people are against automated license plate readers (even privately owned ones) but simultaneously welcome the complete lack of privacy for aircraft. If someone replied, “Just use a taxi/Uber/Lyft.” in response to ALPRs they’d be downvoted into obscurity, and rightly so. But change the transport mechanism and suddenly it’s fair. The hypocrisy could not be more obvious.

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12. smiley+dL1[view] [source] 2022-12-16 14:54:23
>>chroma+z31
You're on to something with automated license plate readers. They exist, as do apps that take pictures and videos and aggregate the license plate numbers.

Credit card transactions also aren't protected from marketing tracking activities, neither are Twitter or Facebook ads, neither is what my isp can discover from my dns requests, cell phone providers can sell my location metadata, and the credit bureaus are ordinary businesses with huge data leaks.

This is public information, police can operate on it without a warrant, and whether we're driving, flying a private jet, walking in a town square, or purchasing a coffee, or browse the internet - other private entities can too.

LifeLock and identity theft protection are sold to everybody, tax forms allow anybody to try to use someone else's number - the government refuses to do anything, and companies have minimum privacy + security requirements.

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