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Just as many people have problems with this form of communication, many people find it hard to clearly express themselves in an environment where they're expected to put people's feelings above all else. What some might perceive as "hostile", others would simply call "honest". It's simply a matter of preference.

>>mid-ki+(OP)
No, it’s not “simply a matter of preference” when it causes someone else to be in a hostile work environment. At that point, you’re affecting the lives of those around you. Sure, some people have medical conditions that might prevent them from seeing this, but even they put in an effort to be better. It stops being a “preference” when it actively hurts those around you.

If you are an asshole, are known to be an asshole, have no intention of changing that, and are working with others… maybe don’t. You’re free to work alone, but why make people around you miserable by having to deal with you? Go be an asshole to yourself and let everyone else work together.

It’s shocking that advocating for safe and inclusive work environments is such a controversial topic. If he were any other person, his behavior would be quashed in a second.

>>myname+a2
Aren't other people joining his project in this case?

>>LunaSe+U3
Would it make it more ok if people were?

How many people are joining? How many people are joining because or in lieu of Linus? How many people are joining just because it’s Linux/Git/whatever (although granted that is in part due to Linus making them such big things)? How many people would have joined/wouldn’t have left if he wasn’t there?

>>myname+y7
That doesn't matter.

It is his project and people are free ton join or start their own.

>>LunaSe+e8
Of course it matters. There are many reasons why people might join one of his projects, many of which don’t involve him but instead the project itself. His presence might have stifled or grown involvement in those projects.

>>myname+a2
> It’s shocking that advocating for safe and inclusive work environments is such a controversial topic. If he were any other person, his behavior would be quashed in a second.

It is not, because that is exactly the problem.. whats your view of safe and inclusive is to some hostile and exclusive.. and until people realize that this extreme creates similar well-behaved assholes: nevermind.

>>myname+ca
And that is completely fine.

People don't have a universal right to collaborate to this project, especially on their own terms.

In the same way, these projects will like you said, evolve in positive or negative ways with no God given right to exist and thrive.

>>myname+a2
>You’re free to work alone, but why make people around you miserable by having to deal with you? Go be an asshole to yourself and let everyone else work together.

You, and the billions of people using linux, are free to fork the code and exclude Linus completley.

>It’s shocking that advocating for safe and inclusive work environments

This isn't a "work enviroment" in the way you seem to be implying. The vast majority of people contributing to the kernel do not work for linux or Linus.

>>mid-ki+(OP)
The choice between condescension to your collaborators and putting people's feeling "above all else" is a false dichotomy. You can disagree on technical merits without making it personal and calling your collaborators kindergarteners who believe in Santa Claus.