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1. nouser+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-05-17 16:51:08
Talking about notch/hole-punch displays. As somebody who never ever uses front-facing camera, can I have a phone/display without such defects, please?
replies(7): >>brnaft+o2 >>shdon+i4 >>boring+W5 >>Saint_+i8 >>srmarm+Ba >>cercat+Xa >>hedora+U01
2. brnaft+o2[view] [source] 2022-05-17 17:01:28
>>nouser+(OP)
Yeah, no kidding. How much of the small phone demo overlaps with the selfie demo? I could go without a front camera.
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3. shdon+i4[view] [source] 2022-05-17 17:11:11
>>nouser+(OP)
Indeed. Those notches, hole-punches etc, I could do without. I very much prefer to have a bit of bezel and have a proper screen (preferably even with angular corners, rather than rounded corners). This also helps when handing the phone to somebody else to show them something... they have a place to hold the darn thing without accidentally swiping, tapping, or - worst of all - hitting the back button.
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4. boring+W5[view] [source] 2022-05-17 17:19:01
>>nouser+(OP)
On my G7 Play with LineageOS, I was able to "disable" the notch -- that is, draw a black bar around it, and have a proper rectangular display with a full-width status bar right below it.

Works great, especially considering the display is not quite small enough for me in the first place.

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5. Saint_+i8[view] [source] 2022-05-17 17:31:48
>>nouser+(OP)
If you sum together the stuff people in this thread has suggested, you have the Homers Car of phones on your hands
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6. nfoz+W8[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 17:34:22
>>brnaft+o2
"selfie"? Video-calls are especially normalized now, since the pandemic. My family and friends use video-calls more often than voice-only calls now.
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7. srmarm+Ba[view] [source] 2022-05-17 17:41:47
>>nouser+(OP)
It probably wouldn't work well for a small phone, by my oppo has a pop up camera which works much better than I'd expected.

Majority of the time I enjoy a full screen experience with a tiny bezel. If I need the selfie cam it silently and very quickly is there.

I think they didn't catch on as they are complicated and inhibit IP68 ratings.

But I think I'll struggle to move on from it. The notches and hole punch cameras just look like an irritating defect when I use them.

8. cercat+Xa[view] [source] 2022-05-17 17:43:27
>>nouser+(OP)
No, because there are so few of people with your opinion that those types of phones will not sell enough to recoup costs, much less make a profit. At most, you can buy a phone with a pop-up camera (the OnePlus 7T Pro is nice, although a few years old now) [0].

[0] https://www.androidauthority.com/pop-up-camera-phones-slider...

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9. dsr_+hf[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 18:02:28
>>cercat+Xa
The popup selfie cam on the 7pro is very, very good, because:

a) guaranteed not to be on until it's out

b) never eats screen space, ever

My current phone is a 7pro. I haven't seen a good replacement yet.

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10. brnaft+uh[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 18:14:00
>>nfoz+W8
You do that on the phone? I'd never.

And nobody I know has changed their communication. Discord, text, call. Everyone in my milieu is painfully average.

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11. mjevan+ej[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 18:23:19
>>Saint_+i8
It's this or a Youtube clip that's maybe monetized by Disney at best... https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/The_Homer

The Homer was a car that Home Simpson built to exactly what they wanted without any tradeoffs for off the shelf components, trends, or sensibility of what currently was common.

It's also somewhat design by committee, with features like a more luxurious bubble for the adults, and a micro-bubble for the kids; presumably so you can ignore anything but the screams or silence.

I also suspect this fictional car might have been an ingredient in the market shifting from minivans to SUVs. Those don't have such great audio isolation but were even taller than the minivans (which were taller than station wagons). Or it could be the 'backup camera' finally reaching a tolerable price level.

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12. maskli+gj[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 18:23:34
>>nfoz+W8
Front cameras are also useful for other stuff e.g. taking angled pictures with little visibility is much easier with the front facing camera because you can see what you're aiming at.

It can even take pictures in the dark because the display will be used as a floodlight, though in that case aiming doesn't really work unless the software brightening is sufficient to at least gain an idea.

Front camera also works as a mirror in a pinch, much easier than trying to aim the back camera then flipping the phone around and finding out how off you were.

Do people taking selfies even use the front camera? I feel like image quality is really rather poor for that use case but it's not my jam.

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13. gopher+mj[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 18:23:48
>>Saint_+i8
It's really just the iPhone 3GS.
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14. 7spete+vl[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 18:33:47
>>mjevan+ej
I also suspect this fictional car might have been an ingredient in the market shifting from minivans to SUVs

The simpsons also did the canyonero:

https://youtu.be/PI_Jl5WFQkA

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15. jan_g+0t[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 19:15:45
>>brnaft+uh
Nobody? I'm sort of in the same boat (I quite dislike video calls), but my extended family (from young to 60+) have started during pandemic and now continue to video call each other quite regularly - including group video calls.

As I said, not my preference and I rarely join, but for example my wife does video calls almost on a daily basis. So the "selfie" camera seems to be increasingly an important feature for the regular user.

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16. brnaft+Uy[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 19:48:49
>>jan_g+0t
I've seen it used once and to a disastrous result. I kinda feel like there are other workarounds too:

I remember one of the Motorola phones was designed for expansions, but that was pre-USB C. If you had a horizontally symmetrical phone, maybe widgets could solve the problem? Front facing and rear facing, while also being privacy respecting, no notch necessary, and similar resolution to boot. so maybe easier to source. Free up some room on the SOC and relieve some complexity while providing the added benefit of port protection. Presumably this could be applied to SD and obviously 3.5mm jacks.

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17. dorfsm+iA[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 19:58:16
>>brnaft+o2
I love a small phone but I need the front cam for quick video calls.

Front camera, 3mm headset jack are must for me. If I could get a notification LED too... You might be able to get a lot of money out of me!

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18. dorfsm+xA[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 19:59:50
>>brnaft+uh
A lot of people on my circles have moved to Signal, and we do short video calls.
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19. deckar+AG[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 20:38:30
>>dsr_+hf
same. It's a shame OnePlus decided to drop the popup camera. They had a really solid mechanism. Going back to a screen with a notch or hole just feels primitive.
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20. lowerc+MJ[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 20:58:01
>>7spete+vl
Didn't Homer buy the women's model? Was it the F-series?
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21. timoth+dK[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 21:00:41
>>boring+W5
You can do that with the stock Android too, once you've enabled the developer options in settings. The setting needed is "Display cutout" --> "Hide".
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22. Tijdre+1L[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-17 21:05:32
>>shdon+i4
Apparently, Android now has an option to emulate a bezel, thus hiding the hole-punch camera.
23. hedora+U01[view] [source] 2022-05-17 23:01:29
>>nouser+(OP)
The hole punch is a nice to have. A phone with a case that was half the area of a pixel 6 pro, and also had a top bezel would still have a perfectly usable screen.
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24. Dylan1+Gn1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-18 02:34:53
>>Saint_+i8
...what stuff?

The suggestions I'm seeing are yes hole punch, no hole punch, a screen you can use with one hand, just enough battery-filled thickness to have no camera bump, good camera, microsd, fingerprint sensor, headphone jack.

And one person wants a keyboard but I don't think they're suggesting that for this phone.

Once you decide if you want a hole punch or not, I see no issue with implementing the rest of those features in the same phone in a reasonable way.

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25. SamBam+co1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-18 02:41:55
>>brnaft+Uy
> I've seen it used once

Ok, let's just accept now that you live in an isolated bubble, if your experience with video calls is "I've seen it used once and to a disastrous result."

I'm not denying your experience, but it's not the experience of the vast majority of the modern world now, across all categories of people. Many people may not use video calls regularly, but most people have had more experience than "seen it used once."

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26. Izkata+8i2[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-18 12:57:00
>>SamBam+co1
I don't think they do. Meets and Zooms seem to be the way people have gone, I hadn't even heard of phone video calls becoming more common before this thread, and my family definitely hasn't done it.
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27. 7spete+tX5[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-05-19 15:53:07
>>lowerc+MJ
I dont remember, I remember this as an end of episode gag/commentary on the suv’s rising popularity of the 90s
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